The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

A7 and Sony 28mm f2 at f2.

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I'm pleased with this :D Just a fun shot I took of Mrs WW looking wide eyed. I took this pointing the camera back and up at her while holding it in the palm of my hand (not using VF or screen) and pressing the shutter with my thumb, trusting face detect. There's a bit too much space above so I cropped to 16:9 but it's not bad accuracy for true point and shoot. It'll be zapped off in Mrs WW's daily picture swaps with family and friends.
 
sigma new 105mm macro works with their 1.4x and 2x TCs. colour me impressed for thinking about these things! (I hope you are taking notes Sony)

the TCs are not available on e-mount i wonder if sony TCs will fit.
 
Does anyone know about the Sony SEL16F28 16mm f2.8 pancake lens? Seems to be as cheap as their 16-50 lens, there's one or two on ebay for under £90 so I'm assuming not much good?
 
I thought I'd post these shots - not for artistic crit but to show an eg of the Tamron 28-200 and the A7R3 in Super 35 APS-C mode - I was really pleased with the result although it will look sharper on Flickr no doubt.

Can someone who is more intelligent than me tell me what focal length this would be if I shot it at 200mm ?

If anyone doesnt know this is the Scillonian III which travels from Penzance to the beautiful Isles of Scilly - if you have been on it you will know that its flat bottomed in order that it can sail into the shallow harbour at St Mary's........ not good on a rough day....

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Merlin5 said:
Does anyone know about the Sony SEL16F28 16mm f2.8 pancake lens? Seems to be as cheap as their 16-50 lens, there's one or two on ebay for under £90 so I'm assuming not much good?
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worst lens i have come across. better off using a milk bottle cap with a pin hole :ROFLMAO:
 
nandbytes said:
worst lens i have come across. better off using a milk bottle cap with a pin hole :ROFLMAO:
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Point taken! :LOL:

Well, I'm still deciding what to buy. Either a Zeiss 16-70 f4 for £414 in like new mint condition and keeping in mind what I've been told about possible decentering issues, but it gives me a nice zoom range. Or a Sigma 16mm f1.4 and a Sigma 30m f1.4 for £514.
 
For those interested here's sharpness test shots comparison between the Sigma 85mm f1.4 DG DN Art and Sony 85mm f1.8 FE, all shot on a tripod with remote release.

Sigma f1.4

Sigma 85mm f1.4 by TDG-77, on Flickr

Sigma f1.8

Sigma 85mm f1.8 by TDG-77, on Flickr

Sigma f4

Sigma 85mm f4 by TDG-77, on Flickr

Sony f1.8

Sony 85mm f1.8 by TDG-77, on Flickr

Sony f4

Sony 85mm f4 by TDG-77, on Flickr

And for those that want to see the originals they can be found in this link.

Dropbox

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Couple of interesting 'finds' during this test. Firstly the Sigma is much warmer. Secondly the FOV is different despite the tripod not being moved between tests, the sigma having a slightly smaller FOV/being slightly more 'zoomed in'. Thirdly the camera back focusses very slightly shooting wide open when using AF-S but is bang on using AF-C. Lastly you can't AF micro adjust the sigma lens, the option is greyed out in camera.
 
Merlin5 said:
Point taken! :LOL:

Well, I'm still deciding what to buy. Either a Zeiss 16-70 f4 for £414 in like new mint condition and keeping in mind what I've been told about possible decentering issues, but it gives me a nice zoom range. Or a Sigma 16mm f1.4 and a Sigma 30m f1.4 for £514.
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I know its really expensive and finding a used one will be hard but I think sony 16-55mm f2.8 is the best one to buy. its best in class with great sharpness all round.
 
nandbytes said:
I know its really expensive and finding a used one will be hard but I think sony 16-55mm f2.8 is the best one to buy. its best in class with great sharpness all round.
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I wish manufacturers would do similar focal lengths but for FF, a 16-50mm f4 would be a great travel lens, or even an 18-50mm.
 
snerkler said:
For those interested here's sharpness test shots comparison between the Sigma 85mm f1.4 DG DN Art and Sony 85mm f1.8 FE, all shot on a tripod with remote release.

Sigma f1.4

Sigma 85mm f1.4 by TDG-77, on Flickr

Sigma f1.8

Sigma 85mm f1.8 by TDG-77, on Flickr

Sigma f4

Sigma 85mm f4 by TDG-77, on Flickr

Sony f1.8

Sony 85mm f1.8 by TDG-77, on Flickr

Sony f4

Sony 85mm f4 by TDG-77, on Flickr

And for those that want to see the originals they can be found in this link.

Dropbox

www.dropbox.com www.dropbox.com

Couple of interesting 'finds' during this test. Firstly the Sigma is much warmer. Secondly the FOV is different despite the tripod not being moved between tests, the sigma having a slightly smaller FOV/being slightly more 'zoomed in'. Thirdly the camera back focusses very slightly shooting wide open when using AF-S but is bang on using AF-C. Lastly you can't AF micro adjust the sigma lens, the option is greyed out in camera.
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sigma looks sharper.

you can't AF micro adjust native lenses on sony. that's the whole point of mirrorless i.e. not needing to do that (unless you buy samyang lenses which case their dock lets do MFA which is crazy imo). for native lenses i.e. non adapted ones the body will just ignore it.
that option is solely provided for lenses used with LA-EA2/4.
 
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The Sigma 105mm f2.8 macro has been announced.

It'll be all over the usual sites, here it is on DPR...

www.dpreview.com

Sigma 105mm F2.8 DG DN Macro for E- and L-mount arrives in October

Sigma has designed an all-new 105mm F2.8 Macro full-frame lens for L-mount and E-mount camera bodies. It offers 1:1 reproduction, uses a new optical design optimized for mirrorless and will go on sale in late October for $800.
www.dpreview.com www.dpreview.com

www.dpreview.com

Sigma 105mm F2.8 DG DN Macro sample gallery

Sigma's newly designed 105mm F2.8 macro offers 1:1 reproduction for full-frame Sony and L-mount bodies. Take a very close look at what it can do.
www.dpreview.com www.dpreview.com
 
snerkler said:
I wish manufacturers would do similar focal lengths but for FF, a 16-50mm f4 would be a great travel lens, or even an 18-50mm.
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the 16-70mm f4 is actually a great travel lens if you can find a good copy.

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ah sorry you mean 16-50mm in FF equivalent terms. it'd be huge though
 
Merlin5 said:
Does anyone know about the Sony SEL16F28 16mm f2.8 pancake lens? Seems to be as cheap as their 16-50 lens, there's one or two on ebay for under £90 so I'm assuming not much good?
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I think I'd concentrate on the positives of it being small and light and cheap and from that sort of point of view it could make sense. Providing pictures that stand up to pixel peeping at f2.8 may not be its strength.
 
nandbytes said:
the 16-70mm f4 is actually a great travel lens if you can find a good copy.

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ah sorry you mean 16-50mm in FF equivalent terms. it'd be huge though
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It would, hence me saying 18-50mm could be an option (y)
 
nandbytes said:
I know its really expensive and finding a used one will be hard but I think sony 16-55mm f2.8 is the best one to buy. its best in class with great sharpness all round.
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Yeah, I've seen this said before on dpreview and I'd buy it in a heartbeat if it were around the £4-500 mark, but it's crazy expensive for me at over £800.
 
nandbytes said:
sigma looks sharper.

you can't AF micro adjust native lenses on sony. that's the whole point of mirrorless i.e. not needing to do that (unless you buy samyang lenses which case their dock lets do MFA which is crazy imo). for native lenses i.e. non adapted ones the body will just ignore it.
that option is solely provided for lenses used with LA-EA2/4.
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Wide open the Sony is a gnats sharper, the Sigma at f1.8 is sharper than the Sony at f1.8, and at f4 the Sigma is noticeably sharper than the Sony at f4 (y)
 
nandbytes said:
sigma looks sharper.

you can't AF micro adjust native lenses on sony. that's the whole point of mirrorless i.e. not needing to do that (unless you buy samyang lenses which case their dock lets do MFA which is crazy imo). for native lenses i.e. non adapted ones the body will just ignore it.
that option is solely provided for lenses used with LA-EA2/4.
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Here's wide open side by side, Sigma at f1.4 left, Sony at f1.8 right. Shows the warmness of the sigma too. As you can see, only a gnats in it, pretty impressive f1.4 performance imo.


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Merlin5 said:
Does anyone know about the Sony SEL16F28 16mm f2.8 pancake lens? Seems to be as cheap as their 16-50 lens, there's one or two on ebay for under £90 so I'm assuming not much good?
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I'd get an 18-55 over both of those lenses. Again 80 quid on ebay. 16f2.8 was always known to be crap
 
woof woof said:
I think I'd concentrate on the positives of it being small and light and cheap and from that sort of point of view it could make sense. Providing pictures that stand up to pixel peeping at f2.8 may not be its strength.
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I definitely agree on the positives you mentioned and for those it's very tempting. But what I'm really looking for is a lens that is capable of getting the sharpness, and I'll use this example, of
imattersuk's photos on the previous page. Of course, he's a very skilled photographer and I'm not even close! :D But I'd like to at least have a lens that is capable of achieving that sharpness and absolute clarity. I know photography is more about composition and interesting subject matter, but to me, that sort of sharpness he gets is really important and I don't know, can I get that with an £89 f2.8?
 
Merlin5 said:
I definitely agree on the positives you mentioned and for those it's very tempting. But what I'm really looking for is a lens that is capable of getting the sharpness, and I'll use this example, of
imattersuk's photos on the previous page. Of course, he's a very skilled photographer and I'm not even close! :D But I'd like to at least have a lens that is capable of achieving that sharpness and absolute clarity. I know photography is more about composition and interesting subject matter, but to me, that sort of sharpness he gets is really important and I don't know, can I get that with an £89 f2.8?
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you can with an f2.8 lens and also with a £89 lens. just not that one :D
 
nandbytes said:
you can with an f2.8 lens and also with a £89 lens. just not that one :D
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Ah. What f2.8 lens around £90 is there for sony e mount? But I guess it won't be wide angle.

Can't someone here just sell me their 16-55 f2.8 for £90? I promise I'll say thank you. :p
 
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Merlin5 said:
Ah. What f2.8 lens around £90 is there for sony e mount? But I guess it won't be wide angle.
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not a native one but plenty old vintage/legacy ones that are actually sharp.

if you want a native one that cheap and sharp the FE50/1.8 isn't bad. but its not wide like you say.
 
Merlin5 said:
I definitely agree on the positives you mentioned and for those it's very tempting. But what I'm really looking for is a lens that is capable of getting the sharpness, and I'll use this example, of
imattersuk's photos on the previous page. Of course, he's a very skilled photographer and I'm not even close! :D But I'd like to at least have a lens that is capable of achieving that sharpness and absolute clarity. I know photography is more about composition and interesting subject matter, but to me, that sort of sharpness he gets is really important and I don't know, can I get that with an £89 f2.8?
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I've never used that lens. I would take a look at one if looking for a compact and cheap lens for an A6xxx as those seem to be its strengths and I'm sure it'll be fine for whole pictures viewed normally. And I like primes. The reviews seem to agree it's soft into the corners so if you're looking for pixel peeping sharpness this almost certainly isn't for you.

Looking at kit lens zooms if they start at f3.6 that could be something to think about as the 16mm f2.8 at least offers f2.8 whilst being compact and light even if it's not very good.

Sample pictures which you can download and pixel peep here...

Sample Images with EXIF Data | Free Test Photos with Metadata · PixelPeeper

Download free sample images with complete EXIF metadata and Lightroom edits. Perfect for testing metadata viewers or extracting editing presets.
pixelpeeper.com
 
Not sure if its been posted


Sigma 105mm f/2.8 DG DN Macro Art Lens for Sony E


www.bhphotovideo.com

Sigma 105mm f/2.8 DG DN Macro Art Lens for Sony E

Buy Sigma 105mm f/2.8 DG DN Macro Art Lens for Sony E featuring E-Mount Lens/Full-Frame Format, Aperture Range: f/2.8 to f/22, One SLD Element, Super Multi-Layer Coating, 1:1 Magnification, 11.6" Min. Focus, Hyper-Sonic Motor AF System, Custom AFL Button, Focus Limiter Switch, Physical Aperture...
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yep its been posted, was watching the live release in background while working. i think they claim it to be the sharpest and best macro lens.

also as i said above works with 1.4X and 2x TCs l-mount to give more reach, magnification and working distance which is really great. they even said they have optimised the lens design to work well with both TCs which is nice.
I wonder if you can attach sony TCs to these but I guess we'll find out soon.
 
nandbytes said:
yep its been posted, was watching the live release in background while working. i think they claim it to be the sharpest and best macro lens.

also as i said above works with 1.4X and 2x TCs l-mount to give more reach, magnification and working distance which is really great. they even said they have optimised the lens design to work well with both TCs which is nice.
I wonder if you can attach sony TCs to these but I guess we'll find out soon.
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The fact it works with TCs is very cool. Im not into macro but this must be pretty exciting for people that do. Imagine that with a 2x and A7rIV.
 
twist said:
The fact it works with TCs is very cool. Im not into macro but this must be pretty exciting for people that do. Imagine that with a 2x and A7rIV.
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not sure if it works with Sony TCs though, sigma TCs are only available for e-mount.
 
So you're leisurely walking along the Thames with the A73 + Tamron 17-28 taking some landscape shots, playing with the wide angle range when a dude suddenly appears out of the blue on a hoverboard, you've got about 1 second to get a shot so you just have to pan away and hope for the best but expecting zero to be in focus :LOL:

Hampton Hoverboard by Pete Downham Photography, on Flickr
 
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