The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

nandbytes said:
All sales are falling and DSLRs sales falling faster as I said "a shrinking segment in a shrinking market". But it was pointed out above that mirrorless sales grew 2%. The profits are going down year by year and two that companies that managed to increase their profits over previous years was Sony and fuji.
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Isn't that simply because mirrorless sales eat into DSLR sales?
 
TGphoto said:
What does the D780 offer over the A7iii? Other than the ability to use Nikon lenses (only an advantage if you already have them other than the 20mm 1.8
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It doesn't need to beat the A73, the goal here could simply be to offer upgrade options for existing DSLR users who aren't changing system for whatever reason.

I've got to imagine the margins must be a whole let better on the D780 than Z6.
 
simonbarker said:
It doesn't need to beat the A73, the goal here could simply be to offer upgrade options for existing DSLR users who aren't changing system for whatever reason.

I've got to imagine the margins must be a whole let better on the D780 than Z6.
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Not sure about that, OVF, AF calibrations and mirror assembly adds a lot of cost to manufacturing... unless they have loads of spares in the parts bin to get rid of, which could explain the cameras purpose, along with doing their best to clear F mount stock.
 
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simonbarker said:
It doesn't need to beat the A73, the goal here could simply be to offer upgrade options for existing DSLR users who aren't changing system for whatever reason.

I've got to imagine the margins must be a whole let better on the D780 than Z6.
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Which I image is fairly small numbers relatively. 90% of D750 users I knew now own an A7iii.

Margins may be better, but I imagine sales will be low. If they want people to buy into their mirrorless range then they need to take away the option to have a DSLR with the same tech.

This move shows that Nikon still aren’t fully committed to mirrorless, which in my opinion could make even more turn their back on the brand.
 
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TGphoto said:
Which I image is fairly small numbers relatively. 90% of D750 users I knew now own and A7iii.

Margins may be better, but I imagine sales will be low. If they want people to buy into their mirrorless range then they need to take away the option to have a DSLR with the same tech.

This move shows that Nikon still aren’t fully committed to mirrorless, which in my opinion could make even more turn their back on the brand.
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As above, I think it shows they have a lot of worldwide F mount stock to clear, the D750 update is to late ;)
 
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TGphoto said:
This move shows that Nikon still aren’t fully committed to mirrorless, which in my opinion could make even more turn their back on the brand.
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Basically this. Makes me think they are confused and don't know what they doing. I was once considering Z stuff myself but now I am not so sure anymore.
RF it is :D
 
nandbytes said:
Basically this. Makes me think they are confused and don't know what they doing. I was once considering Z stuff myself but now I am not so sure anymore.
RF it is :D
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Good luck affording those lenses! TBH, Nikon wouldve been the other brand I wouldve considered next time round if I hadnt bought the A9, this move also has me thinking they seem confused.
 
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At least if they had put IBIS in there the remaining 3 Pentax users and 2 a-mount users might have bought one lol.
 
TGphoto said:
What does the D780 offer over the A7iii? Other than the ability to use Nikon lenses (only an advantage if you already have them other than the 20mm 1.8
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Nothing, except the ergonomic difference. IMO the D780 isn't particularly aimed at the A7III, but as I've said already they've just priced it so wrong.
nandbytes said:
Basically this. Makes me think they are confused and don't know what they doing. I was once considering Z stuff myself but now I am not so sure anymore.
RF it is :D
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I'm not sure why having more than one system means they're confused? It's been well documented that mirrorless uptake hasn't been as much as predicted and that DSLRs are still selling. If I was a camera manufacturer I'd definitely want to be in both markets.
 
snerkler said:
Nothing, except the ergonomic difference. IMO the D780 isn't particularly aimed at the A7III, but as I've said already they've just priced it so wrong.
I'm not sure why having more than one system means they're confused? It's been well documented that mirrorless uptake hasn't been as much as predicted and that DSLRs are still selling. If I was a camera manufacturer I'd definitely want to be in both markets.
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Hmmm, sure about that? Sony basically went from a failing imaging company (camera/lens wise, not sensors) to hugely successful... By ditching mirrors and SLT. Also, see Fuji.
 
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snerkler said:
Nothing, except the ergonomic difference. IMO the D780 isn't particularly aimed at the A7III, but as I've said already they've just priced it so wrong.
I'm not sure why having more than one system means they're confused? It's been well documented that mirrorless uptake hasn't been as much as predicted and that DSLRs are still selling. If I was a camera manufacturer I'd definitely want to be in both markets.
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Here's a quote from my colleague which says it all:

I can't help thinking that Nikon went "Hmm, mirrorless not selling well - they must still want a DSLR" and failed to spot the slowdown in spending or the fact the Z6 and Z7 are just underwhelming.
Instead of figuring out why their mirrorless isn't selling like hot cakes and upping their offering they decided to spend their limited resources on DSLRs which doesn't make the mirrorless underselling situation any better.
It's equivalent of closing your ears and shouting loudly and hoping the problem will fix itself. Guess what the Z series will sell even less now lol
 
twist said:
Hmmm, sure about that? Sony basically went from a failing imaging company (camera/lens wise, not sensors) to hugely successful... By ditching mirrors and SLT. Also, see Fuji.
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Yeah, I meant in the last year. Canikon missed the big ‘surge’ when mirrorless sakes took off.
 
snerkler said:
Yeah, I meant in the last year. Canikon missed the big ‘surge’ when mirrorless sakes took off.
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I would've thought the mk3s have been sonys most successful camera and certainly helped their marketshare and continue to do so, even though canikon have responded.
 
twist said:
Not sure about that, OVF, AF calibrations and mirror assembly adds a lot of cost to manufacturing... unless they have loads of spares in the parts bin to get rid of, which could explain the cameras purpose, along with doing their best to clear F mount stock.
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Just from manufacturing yes but I've got to assume they're world's apart in R&D costs.

I just don't think they're pushing out the D780 as something to give serious competition to their competitors, this is more the case of not leaving gaping holes in their current line up.
 
rob-nikon said:
I’d guess probably around £1300-1350 but that’s a massive guess. You could search (keyword search to filter the results) the archived sales to find what previous sales went for.

The differences between the two are more than just the EVF.
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So if a similar condition A7r3 was £250 more than an A73 would you go for the R ?
 
nandbytes said:
Here's a quote from my colleague which says it all:

I can't help thinking that Nikon went "Hmm, mirrorless not selling well - they must still want a DSLR" and failed to spot the slowdown in spending or the fact the Z6 and Z7 are just underwhelming.
Instead of figuring out why their mirrorless isn't selling like hot cakes and upping their offering they decided to spend their limited resources on DSLRs which doesn't make the mirrorless underselling situation any better.
It's equivalent of closing your ears and shouting loudly and hoping the problem will fix itself. Guess what the Z series will sell even less now lol
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I don’t think it was ever Canikon’s intention to ditch DSLR and always believed they would run both alongside each other, which makes sense to me.
Whether Nikon can start cutting their losses is a different matter.
 
twist said:
I would've thought the mk3s have been sonys most successful camera and certainly helped their marketshare and continue to do so, even though canikon have responded.
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Probably were but the A7iii is nearly 2 years old (y)
 
rob-nikon said:
I’d go for the one that suits my use the best if isn’t that different. Both are very good, just slightly different with both having their pros and cons. The main point is do you want a 42MP sensor?
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In all honesty probably not !
 
snerkler said:
Probably were but the A7iii is nearly 2 years old (y)
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And its still hugely popular and probably even more so now canikon have shown their cards. Canikon are discounting heavily on their cameras, I paid 1700 for an A7iii at launch with promos and they are 1750 now, says a lot.
 
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twist said:
And its still hugely popular and probably even more so now canikon have shown their cards. Canikon are discounting heavily on their cameras, I paid 1700 for an A7iii at launch with promos and they are 1750 now, says a lot.
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Yes they priced it very well, Canikon go for the approach of massively overcharging the early buyers and then heavily discounting it to what it should of been initially. How long this will continue to work god only knows.

Sony were very smart imo, they must have realised they ‘perfected’ their mirrorless with the A7iii and thought let’s get as many other adopters as possible. If only they’d employ Nikon designers ;)
 
I suspect the D780 is a camera to reassure D750 users that there's still a future in DSLR and Nikon are still supporting them and are continuing to develop so there's no need to switch. I completely agree that they've miss-priced it, but otherwise it's a camera for those that want something newer than their D750s but don't really want to move to mirrorless, and it has that OVF which some find essential.
 
snerkler said:
Yes they priced it very well, Canikon go for the approach of massively overcharging the early buyers and then heavily discounting it to what it should of been initially. How long this will continue to work god only knows.

Sony were very smart imo, they must have realised they ‘perfected’ their mirrorless with the A7iii and thought let’s get as many other adopters as possible. If only they’d employ Nikon designers ;)
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I haven't seen Canikon historically overcharge then discount heavily till now. More so Canon.
 
twist said:
I haven't seen Canikon historically overcharge then discount heavily till now. More so Canon.
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Nikon Z’s were, tbh I don’t know if Canon have dropped as much but their prices have often been higher than they should imo.

Sony must be loving the price of the 1Dx-3 ;)
 
ancient_mariner said:
I suspect the D780 is a camera to reassure D750 users that there's still a future in DSLR and Nikon are still supporting them and are continuing to develop so there's no need to switch. I completely agree that they've miss-priced it, but otherwise it's a camera for those that want something newer than their D750s but don't really want to move to mirrorless, and it has that OVF which some find essential.
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Digital camera are calling it a tantalising hybrid....
https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/...ew-dslr-of-2020-and-its-pretty-groundbreaking
 
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