The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

Just a few from today, muddy but sometimes sunny, A7 and that Nippon 50mm f2...

This wont be to everyone's taste, maybe no ones, but I like doing this now and again.

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The war memorial.

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And one at f2 with the subject big in the frame just for Fraser.

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And a crop from that saved at quality 11 rather than 12.

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Again they look softer here than on my screen but I'm not getting into all that again. They're more than sharp enough :D
 
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Fraser Euan White said:
Quite ofetn having the best gear for the style of photography makes better photographs or just enjoying using the gear can improve 'your' photography.



Sorry Guy; this does not make sense! I appreciate that cameras wear out when used professionally but as a Pro you surely had some investment in the Nikon system. If you didn't believe a switch to Sony would make your life easier and improve your results then why bother switching - it just doesn't make business sense!

This sumary is exactly correct and matches my views entirely: -
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Talk about bait and switch.

Making my life easier is very different to making me a better photographer. So which is it?

My kit needed replacing. I knew I wanted mirrorless for the silence and future-proofing. Nikon offered me nothing there. The investment you speak of is nothing more than confirming the fallacy of sunk costs. The Nikon kit was bought, used, depreciated and untilamtely written off. The total absence of a solid option *for me* from Nikon merely confirmed that the sunk costs should have zero influence on the decision.

As an aside, something that matches your opinion does not necessarily make it correct in fact.
 
F/1.4 said:
LOL

Read the comments in that DP review article. What planet are you currently living on Fraser ?
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Yes - it will appeal to very few, I understand that but Leica is a niche camera maker producing niche products. If I could afford it then it is exactly what I would like in a digital camera and so many others who love film regularly say I would just love a digital sensor in my film camera without all the other electronics. Also appreciate there is a huge amount of jealousy in respect to Leica.
 
Radiohead said:
Talk about bait and switch.

Making my life easier is very different to making me a better photographer. So which is it?

My kit needed replacing. I knew I wanted mirrorless for the silence and future-proofing. Nikon offered me nothing there. The investment you speak of is nothing more than confirming the fallacy of sunk costs. The Nikon kit was bought, used, depreciated and untilamtely written off. The total absence of a solid option *for me* from Nikon merely confirmed that the sunk costs should have zero influence on the decision.

As an aside, something that matches your opinion does not necessarily make it correct in fact.
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if it makes your job easier and the silent shutter means you can capture shots you couldn't before then it helps you being a better photographer - either that or our definitions are miles apart.
 
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Yes - it will appeal to very few, I understand that but Leica is a niche camera maker producing niche products. If I could afford it then it is exactly what I would like in a digital camera and so many others who love film regularly say I would just love a digital sensor in my film camera without all the other electronics. Also appreciate there is a huge amount of jealousy in respect to Leica.
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I wouldn't use a Leica to shoot a wedding ever, period. They ride off Panasonic's digital coat tails and their over priced gear of days gone.
 
Fraser Euan White said:
Yes - it will appeal to very few, I understand that but Leica is a niche camera maker producing niche products. If I could afford it then it is exactly what I would like in a digital camera and so many others who love film regularly say I would just love a digital sensor in my film camera without all the other electronics. Also appreciate there is a huge amount of jealousy in respect to Leica.
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Imagine taking a few hundred pictures on holiday and finding out later that something had gone wrong. We've all done something, leave the camera on ISO 3,200 or forget we've dialled in +2 exposure comp or something or maybe you've got a big fat dust bunny or five.

I may be getting lazy and forgetful too but I do like to review my pictures now and again and I often format the card too.

I can see the appeal of some Leica's but I wouldn't buy that one.
 
Fraser Euan White said:
if it makes your job easier and the silent shutter means you can capture shots you couldn't before then it helps you being a better photographer - either that or our definitions are miles apart.
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No. It doesn’t. Reducing a barrier to something doesn’t equate to superior results. Cognitive dissonance much?

I’m out.

One final comment, which you neatly ignored earlier. For someone who hates Sony you spend a lot of time in the Sony threads. Bizarre.
 
woof woof said:
Imagine taking a few hundred pictures on holiday and finding out later that something had gone wrong. We've all done something, leave the camera on ISO 3,200 or forget we've dialled in +2 exposure comp or something or maybe you've got a big fat dust bunny or five.

I may be getting lazy and forgetful too but I do like to review my pictures now and again and I often format the card too.

I can see the appeal of some Leica's but I wouldn't buy that one.
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Hi Alan,

I completely understand what you are saying and for you it is clearly not the right camera!

................but we all get our kicks from photography in different ways! For me as a predominantly film shooter I love the excitement of returning home not knowing what images I have captured and the excitement of seeing negatives come off the developing spiral is fantastic. I also love cameras to be very simple - modern digital cameras 'p*** me off' with their complexity and auto everything - I like to focus manually etc.

The Leica is a film camera with a digital sensor that removes the hassle of developing film for some (I also enjoy this) and allows certain advantages such as film speed (ISO sensitivity) etc to be changed 'mid roll'.

I have spent a whole day shooting and found I didn't load the film correctly so had nothing - PITA but, hey, what the hell I still had a good day and I don't loose money from it.

I wasn't the one who ever said it would make me a great photographer and the 'great photographs' taken with a Leica are only very average - that was Guy insulting many Leica owners past & present. Using a camera like this for me would be a real pleasure, as I have said I understand it is a niche market but Leica produce niche cameras.

I don't get the blanket 'it's dumb', 'overpriced crap' arguments - for some (me included) I would love it.

I think it is obvious from my other replies; I don't buy the 'it's the person behind the lens' theory - I will never be a great 'creative/artistic' photographer but if I enjoy the equipment I use it does make me a better photographer.
 
Radiohead said:
No. It doesn’t. Reducing a barrier to something doesn’t equate to superior results. Cognitive dissonance much?
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Getting a shot or not getting the shot - any result is a better photograph than none at all.


Radiohead said:
One final comment, which you neatly ignored earlier. For someone who hates Sony you spend a lot of time in the Sony threads. Bizarre.
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There are numerous people on this thread that have no intention whatsoever of changing their Sony camera for any other make yet they make massive contributions in the Canon/Nikon mirrorless threads - bizarre!
 
Fraser Euan White said:
Getting a shot or not getting the shot - any result is a better photograph than none at all.

There are numerous people on this thread that have no intention whatsoever of changing their Sony camera for any other make yet they make massive contributions in the Canon/Nikon mirrorless threads - bizarre!
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To be fair I do think it's ok to be interested in a product you aren't planning to buy.

Never say never.
 
woof woof said:
Just a few from today, muddy but sometimes sunny, A7 and that Nippon 50mm f2...

This wont be to everyone's taste, maybe no ones, but I like doing this now and again.

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The war memorial.

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And one at f2 with the subject big in the frame just for Fraser.

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And a crop from that saved at quality 11 rather than 12.

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Again they look softer here than on my screen but I'm not getting into all that again. They're more than sharp enough :D
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I like these Alan but you should really consider a Flickr account as the compression is 'hurting' your posted images. As the other day the crops you produced were sharp but the whole image was let down by the image hosting.
 
Last post on the Leica M10, promise!

Radiohead said:
Buy what you like. I don’t care.

Just don’t try and pretend having a Leica makes anyone a better photographer.
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From Steve Huffs review:

Steve Huff said:
After a while though, shooting some of these other cameras sucked the inspiration and life from my photographic mind, body and soul. I became bored with having 100 features in the camera and having the camera do ALL OF THE WORK for me. When I recollect back over the last 15-20 years of my life, my favourite images of all time and most important work that I am proud of has all been shot with, you guessed it, a Leica. It’s not even close either.


I think I know the reason behind this.

A Leica has always inspired me to use it. To get up and go even when I did not feel like getting up and going. When I got to where I was going, I was happy I did get up and go, every time.

A Leica, and as silly as this sounds to some, has made me a better photographer but really only WHEN I USE A LEICA. When I use a Canon or an Olympus or other camera with 1001 features I tend to get lazy, and let the camera do it all. Then, the resulting images are, well, boring. There is indeed a sparkle, life and depth to a Leica file no matter what anyone will tell you.
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full review here:
http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2018/10/24/the-leica-m10-d-review-less-is-more-again/

..........and this makes perfect sense:

Steve Huff said:
In a world that is constantly pushing the tech envelope with cameras and companies giving us more than ever before, what Leica is doing here is pedaling backwards it seems. Every day I see people on the internet moan and groan about cameras missing IBIS or Dual Card Slots so here comes Leica to tell them, YOU DO NOT NEED THOSE THINGS to take beautiful photos. Again, you do NOT need them. You may want them, but you do not need them.

I believe that most of these new features are put in cameras to make people feel that the camera will do it all for you. Have shaky hands? Camera will fix that with IBIS! Cant focus right when taking portraits? We will give you EYE AF to be foolproof. Want to be sloppy with your metering skills? That’s ok, we will give you 13 stops of dynamic range so if you screw up, you can fix it! I love tech as much as the next person but sometimes it is just too much, and takes away from the experience of taking an image.
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I take it he is mental as well?
 
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Fraser Euan White said:
Last post on the Leica M10, promise!
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Ah, if only that were the case. :rolleyes: I'm aware of the irony when I am about to feed the ...

I'm also aware that these are not Fraser's words but words he has put up to try and add weight to, and to 'prove' his opinion should be accepted as what we should all think because someone 'famous' thinks as he does. :confused:

Fraser Euan White said:
From Steve Huffs review:
Every day I see people on the internet moan and groan about cameras missing IBIS or Dual Card Slots so here comes Leica to tell them, YOU DO NOT NEED THOSE THINGS to take beautiful photos. Again, you do NOT need them. You may want them, but you do not need them.
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Wow, the arrogance of someone presuming to know what people need and don't need. :eek: The two card thing becomes a need for some when they try and limit the chances of a corrupt card affecting their business, and/or losing some very important, possible once in a lifetime, pictures. It is a 'want' when a camera doesn't have it, it is a need when someone doesn't buy said camera because of a lack of it. Imho. For some people that is also a need to give them peace of mind to give 100% focus to the photography without worrying about back up strategies. I know for some people that is not important, and that is obviously fine, but I wouldn't presume that it isn't important need for some at least.

If people routinely take handheld images in low light situations with maximum apertures, where they may still struggle to keep the shutter at a reasonable speed without going into a high ISO noise and a blurry mess, would IBIS not be a need for them to be able to keep the ISO down, whilst minimising camera shake! That is a need for them.

Fraser Euan White said:
..........and this makes perfect sense: To you
Steve Huff said:
In a world that is constantly pushing the tech envelope with cameras and companies giving us more than ever before, what Leica is doing here is pedaling backwards it seems. Every day I see people on the internet moan and groan about cameras missing IBIS or Dual Card Slots so here comes Leica to tell them, YOU DO NOT NEED THOSE THINGS to take beautiful photos. Again, you do NOT need them. You may want them, but you do not need them.

I believe that most of these new features are put in cameras to make people feel that the camera will do it all for you. I don't believe, but I think. a lot of features were put to aid people to take pictures in sometimes challenging situations to achieve a higher success rate.

Have shaky hands? Camera will fix that with IBIS! No, it won't fix it, but it may help, certainly more than no IBIS. :rolleyes:

Cant focus right when taking portraits? We will give you EYE AF to be foolproof. But it is not foolproof, it is just another tool to use, or not.

Want to be sloppy with your metering skills? That’s ok, we will give you 13 stops of dynamic range so if you screw up, you can fix it! More dynamic range was the goal for digital sensors from the start to try to match, and hopefully exceed the dynamic range of film. A larger dynamic range may indeed help people who meter incorrectly, but the aim is to record more of the range of tones in high dynamic range situations.Is that a bad thing!

I love tech as much as the next person but sometimes it is just too much, and takes away from the experience of taking an image. Simple thing with a lot of these features is that they can be switched off or not used. That someone who seemingly wants limitations on the technology in their camera(s) doesn't have the will/self control to enforce them on themselves, but feels the need to buy a very expensive camera (that somehow is expensive with a lot of features and hardware in other cameras taken away :thinking:) to get that pared down experience, seems, to me, like self justification for spending a lot of money.

We all understand brand loyalty/fanboyism, god knows we see enough of it here, :rolleyes: :LOL: but championing eschewing features to validate the choice of a camera without them, when a lot of those features can just be a choice not to use in whatever camera one may own, doesn't sit right with me. But to attack people for using features you may use yourself (in other cameras, because, you know, they are there and helpful) and to imply that those that also may use those features are somehow doing it to correct for poor technique, which obviously doesn't apply to you, is a step too far, and prompted my probably unwise reply.
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I have no problem with people buying any camera they want, they may only have to justify their purchases to their significant other or bank manager, if either or both have influence in their lives. ;) Want a Rolls Royce, buy one. Want a Rolex, buy one. Want a Leica, buy one of those too. They may be things that you enjoy, or are important for you and you feel enhance your life in some way, but please to not try and tell others that they are wrong for not thinking as you do.

Fraser Euan White said:
I take it he is mental as well?
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I am not qualified to assess peoples mental states, but do you mean as mental as you! :thinking: :LOL:

And briefly back to the beginning, "YOU DO NOT NEED THOSE THINGS to take beautiful photos." You also don't need a Leica to take beautiful photos without those things. ;)
 
redhed17 said:
Ah, if only that were the case. :rolleyes: I'm aware of the irony when I am about to feed the ...

I'm also aware that these are not Fraser's words but words he has put up to try and add weight to, and to 'prove' his opinion should be accepted as what we should all think because someone 'famous' thinks as he does. :confused:

Wow, the arrogance of someone presuming to know what people need and don't need. :eek: The two card thing becomes a need for some when they try and limit the chances of a corrupt card affecting their business, and/or losing some very important, possible once in a lifetime, pictures. It is a 'want' when a camera doesn't have it, it is a need when someone doesn't buy said camera because of a lack of it. Imho. For some people that is also a need to give them peace of mind to give 100% focus to the photography without worrying about back up strategies. I know for some people that is not important, and that is obviously fine, but I wouldn't presume that it isn't important need for some at least.

If people routinely take handheld images in low light situations with maximum apertures, where they may still struggle to keep the shutter at a reasonable speed without going into a high ISO noise and a blurry mess, would IBIS not be a need for them to be able to keep the ISO down, whilst minimising camera shake! That is a need for them.


I have no problem with people buying any camera they want, they may only have to justify their purchases to their significant other or bank manager, if either or both have influence in their lives. ;) Want a Rolls Royce, buy one. Want a Rolex, buy one. Want a Leica, buy one of those too. They may be things that you enjoy, or are important for you and you feel enhance your life in some way, but please to not try and tell others that they are wrong for not thinking as you do.

I am not qualified to assess peoples mental states, but do you mean as mental as you! :thinking: :LOL:

And briefly back to the beginning, "YOU DO NOT NEED THOSE THINGS to take beautiful photos." You also don't need a Leica to take beautiful photos without those things. ;)
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Interesting that the 2 reviews are the 2 biggest Leica fanboys ever.
 
The A9 will not make me a better photographer but it will give me the opportunity to get photos I would not have got with the D750 and even the A73.
 
T_J_G said:
Until you sell it in 2 weeks :D
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I’m stuck with Sony now lol. It took a while but it’s sucked me in! Lenses, batteries, change of bag. It’s all done!

I will forever remember the D750, for me one of the greatest cameras of its time.
 
JJ! said:
I’m stuck with Sony now lol. It took a while but it’s sucked me in! Lenses, batteries, change of bag. It’s all done!

I will forever remember the D750, for me one of the greatest cameras of its time.
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For me, one of the best DSLR cams I ever had was the D700. I had a far better experience with it than the D750 (multiple recalls and actually getting the camera back from Nikon in worse condition AND worse focus)
 
JJ! said:
I’m stuck with Sony now lol. It took a while but it’s sucked me in! Lenses, batteries, change of bag. It’s all done!

I will forever remember the D750, for me one of the greatest cameras of its time.
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Bout time you updated your signature then. (y)

Bet you're excited for horse eye AF :LOL:
 
jonneymendoza said:
GrassRootsDay4-A9-305.jpg by Jon Richy, on Flickr
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Looks like he missed the ball :LOL:

JJ! said:
I’m stuck with Sony now lol. It took a while but it’s sucked me in! Lenses, batteries, change of bag. It’s all done!

I will forever remember the D750, for me one of the greatest cameras of its time.
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Stuck with because it won't sell? Surprising that nobody is jumping in it as they apparently sell like hot cakes.

I see this thread is everyone Vs one as per usual besides . . .
 
JJ! said:
The A9 will not make me a better photographer but it will give me the opportunity to get photos I would not have got with the D750 and even the A73.
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I totally agree..... it’s a great piece of technology.
Sony A9 II will no doubt get Animal AF / Eye-AF. :)
 
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