I think it's a pretty good 1st attempt but the a7 MK1 and following were ground breaking, nobody else was doing FF milc.
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I think it's a pretty good 1st attempt but the a7 MK1 and following were ground breaking, nobody else was doing FF milc.
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The single card sot.
The crap A.F.
The lack of native lenses.
No eye a.f.
Exposure lock on first frame in burst mode.
Crap battery life.
Yeah the Z7 is a cracker.
.........odd? You said this on another thread:
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It's all well and good saying it's Nikon and Canon's first attempt but they've had years to watch Sony and knew what they needed to beat. That's what surprised me most about the last couple of months releases. See Fuji wanted to beat the best APSC so the set out to beat the A6500 and they have succeeded, seems like a fail to me from the others.
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Have used one twice since then it’s crap especially in backlit situations.
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Your right but I guess we're at a point now where it's less about being ground breaking and more about targeting being an A7r3 or A73 with a Canon/Nikon badge on it.... and Nikon certainly seems closer than Canon....
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Sort of smell something in the room that isn't particularly pleasant? Can you direct me to where you reported back on these findings at the time?
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Why would I need to report anything back?
I have a life outside of a photography Internet forum. You should try it.
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I think it was pretty much generally agreed that Nikon/Canon didn't really have to 'beat' the Sony with their first model - getting close was good enough to stop people switching systems.
From Kai's review Nikon have got more than close - he reckons it is a better camera overall than any other FF mirrorless.
Yup, I think the Nikon is a better offering which I've said but canikon will be chasing a7iii and what will sony be up to, they already have the a9 selling grey at 2500 that's a d5 1dxii milc competitor and better in some ways. Next gen is going to be very interesting.
Kai seems to be the only person that thinks it's the best milc... Without any lenses and a pretty poor af system in comparison to the competition and less features... and worse iq than its DSLR counterpart.
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Why would I need to report anything back?
I have a life outside of a photography Internet forum. You should try it.
............errrr - because you reported back on your experiences with it initially............like I thought the smell is unpleasant.
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Have you tried having a wash?
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Interesting this guy is from the same place as you (Northern Ireland) and nobody can get hold of the Z7; in fact the most recognised UK Nikon seller (Grays) hadn't received any by the 16th October (only nine days ago)! You must have been very privileged to have used one twice!
https://www.talkphotography.co.uk/threads/nikon-z7-is-there-any-stock-in-the-uk.686206/
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Mmmm so after all the various debates on this, the Nikon and Canon mirrorless threads the outcome is still the same..... Sony are the ones to beat!
Look at the number of years it had taken Sony to get here with their FF mirrorless system, good progress in my opinion.
Let’s see if Sony dominate going forwards or will Nikon & Canon hit back hard and erase Sony’s lead.
Interesting times a head, personally I’m looking forward to the Sony A9 II with advanced AI.
Look at the number of years it had taken Sony to get here with their FF mirrorless system, good progress in my opinion.
Let’s see if Sony dominate going forwards or will Nikon & Canon hit back hard and erase Sony’s lead.
Interesting times a head, personally I’m looking forward to the Sony A9 II with advanced AI.
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The guy around the corner has one, he got it from Panamoz.
He bought 2 Nikon lenses from me.
They are also available locally WEX have them but only for people who preordered them.
I've bounced between manufacturers like a steel ball in a pinball machine, I have no loyalty to any - rather whatever takes my fancy.
Though admittedly I loved the Olympus OMD E5 and had that for a good 5-6 years despite having a Canon 1D MK II, Nikon D3 and a range other Canon/Nikon cameras.
I personally love the Sony, always has something impressive I didn't realise and it is a constant learning curve. I suspect it will be by next "oly" camera in terms of length of ownership.
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Good point
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I've just sold my last FD lens - the breechlock 85/1.8SSC
No complaints on any of them really, just didn't use them enough.
The 85mm is a great lens IMO & worth the money without a doubt.
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I don't think anybody with a Canon would be in the slightest bit interested in a Nikon TBH? Where as Nikon shooters may well look at a Sony Mirrorless.
If I found a review saying the Canon was the best mirrorless then I would post here and the Canon forum.
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Thanks. In terms of the firmware update yes I noticed on the "fix list" that "banding was improved". I've performed an update so once I get back this weekend I will give it a try.
How are you guys getting banding? Is it using ES?
I knocked it off and it didn't make any difference. Next two steps is to try with the new firmware and if that doesn't work change from sRGB to Adobe RGB as apparently that can cause problems too.
Are you shooting 12 bit? I'm using srgb uncompressed, not seeing any banding... Unlike the 6d I had
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Are you shooting 12 bit? I'm using srgb uncompressed, not seeing any banding... Unlike the 6d I had
Thanks, I'll note that too and add it to the "if that doesn't work move to the next step" list.
Thanks, I'll note that too and add it to the "if that doesn't work move to the next step" list.
I'd be surprised if you get it in 14 bit as I push the crap out of my files in post and a lot of them are in mixed artificial light where banding would usually show. Good luck with it.
Cheers, I think I switched off all of the NR reductions, will check to see what else there is!
There are lens corrections, that's a sensor correction, look for distortion CA and shading / vignette correction. Turn them all off and make sure lightroom isn't applying corrections automatically on import.
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Ah ok, banding is also appearing in the JPGs that camera is producing but will take on your advice onboard to narrow it down. I'm hoping the firmware is going to fix it, just frustrating I dont have access to the camera until I get back.
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If it was in focus be easier to judge
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Morning All,
I hate to ask since it looks like i;m indecisive but further to my earlier ruminations I’ve largely decided on an RX1Rii primarily done to size and function being my main criteria. However, looking on Camera size comparison the size difference between the RX1Rii and an A7Rii with 35/2.8 isn’t as large as you think. Having handled the A7 in Jessops the size was smaller than I thought and i’m Asking if anyone has any real world experience of handling the two together or using them both? (Small Jessops near me with limited stock and no other camera shops nearby).
The A7Rii would obviously give me much mor flexibility going forward but I’m not totally certain I want that in some ways, what I want is to pick the camera up and take it. Since I travel a lot on business I want to ensure I have something small enough, but giving quality enough images (low light especially).
Thanks for any feedback
Tim (not usually indecisive)
I hate to ask since it looks like i;m indecisive but further to my earlier ruminations I’ve largely decided on an RX1Rii primarily done to size and function being my main criteria. However, looking on Camera size comparison the size difference between the RX1Rii and an A7Rii with 35/2.8 isn’t as large as you think. Having handled the A7 in Jessops the size was smaller than I thought and i’m Asking if anyone has any real world experience of handling the two together or using them both? (Small Jessops near me with limited stock and no other camera shops nearby).
The A7Rii would obviously give me much mor flexibility going forward but I’m not totally certain I want that in some ways, what I want is to pick the camera up and take it. Since I travel a lot on business I want to ensure I have something small enough, but giving quality enough images (low light especially).
Thanks for any feedback
Tim (not usually indecisive)
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I tried selling the 50mm f/3.5 macro on here and elsewhere for less and nobody bit. Decided to keep it for now, it's a lovely little lens - for anyone interested, you should know it is only a 1:2 macro, it requires an add-on adapter to achieve full 1:1, LCE don't state whether they include the original adapter for it. You can find them on ebay for about £15 though. Or do what I do - use a Raynox 250 which sees it achieve just over 1:1. I have a couple of generic Chinese FD adapters and they work fine, think they were about £10 a piece. I was looking out for a minty 200 F4, but after some research I'm stuck on the Nikon 200mm F4 AI, looks to be a bit better ... but then I already have a spare FD adapter
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Personally I would go the Sony A7R II route, the RX1 RII is just too expensive for what it is in my opinion and the battery life isn’t great.
The added flexibility of having a changeable mount could prove useful later down the line.... for a small setup I would go for the Sony A7R II, Zeiss 35mm f2.8 and Zeiss 55mm f1.8, both great lenses, with that massive 42.2mp resolution you could then use APS-C crop mode to give you a long length on the 55mm.
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I got the Sigma 50mm f2.8 as it's one of the few 1:1 macros from that time and it's f2.8 whereas some of the others aren't.
I don't use my FD's much as mostly I prefer the Rokkors but one thing in the FD's favor is that there seem to be a lot around in very good condition and unused ones sometimes crop up too whilst I don't remember ever seeing any "new" Minolta Rokkor or Olympus Zuiko's for sale anywhere.
I do wonder if there'll be a rush for Canon and Nikon manual lenses now that they have mirrorless bodies out and if there is prices may rise and good ones may get harder to find. A while ago I took a good look at the Nikon 50mm f1.2 and 35mm f1.4 manual lenses that are still being made new but in the end I went for old used pre ai ones.
PS.
The Nikon 35mm f1.4 is available new for about £560
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nikon-Ni...h=item3d6d66ccec:g:j9QAAOSwMSZbUuS6:rk:1:pf:0
and the 50mm f1.2 is new for under £400.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nikon-Ni...h=item3fa5ea2009:g:eywAAOSwuMNbUuTE:rk:1:pf:0
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I see Fraser isn't happy in another thread...
https://www.talkphotography.co.uk/threads/if-you-were-to-start-over.687010/page-2
Maybe if he comes back we can all show a little more love
https://www.talkphotography.co.uk/threads/if-you-were-to-start-over.687010/page-2
Maybe if he comes back we can all show a little more love
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Personally I would go the Sony A7R II route, the RX1 RII is just too expensive for what it is in my opinion and the battery life isn’t great.
The added flexibility of having a changeable mount could prove useful later down the line.... for a small setup I would go for the Sony A7R II, Zeiss 35mm f2.8 and Zeiss 55mm f1.8, both great lenses, with that massive 42.2mp resolution you could then use APS-C crop mode to give you a long length on the 55mm.
I keep looking at the RX1 cameras but looking at the size differences on the comparator site the A7's seem to be more or less just the evf hump bigger and have the advantages of being cheaper and allowing lens changes and IMO as none of these cameras are truly pocketable (for me) and need to be in a small bag I reasoned that if I was going to take a camera in a bag it may as well be an A7 for cost and flexibility reasons. The RX1 cameras do have that nice lens though.
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Personally I think that anyone heavily invested in a either Canon or Nikon it's a no brainier to be get the relevant mirror less offering if they are after a mirrorless camera, let's face they any camera produced in the last 10 years is capable of producing stunning work.
It's people who have a few lenses who in my opinion who are more likely to switch systems so why wouldn't a Canon shooter who fits in to this criteria look at the Nikon and vice versa. I know if that was me I would be looking at all the options.
I'm all in favour of different systems getting talked about in camera threads I know if I was in the market I would be reading theses threads and the more info the better.