The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

woof woof said:
Yes, there's all that. And the posts where stuff doesn't exist before Canon / Nikon do it.

PS.
I think there's two aspects of the Canikon mirrorless that phase me. Firstly I don't see them as good enough. It's as if they haven't aimed to be the best and I find that difficult to understand. Whenever I went to work I went to win and be the best and I'm always phased when I see what I see as a lack of effort and ambition. Secondly the stuff seems to exist in a vacuum and you're not allowed to mention the competition or indeed criticise it in any way. Again back to my own work I always looked at stuff from the standpoint of the competition and looked for any way to attack and criticise and I used that to make a better product / system. To me criticising a thing isn't fanboy hate it's an essential part of making it better but you're not allowed to.

Tish...
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Maybe that's the Canon way of doing things ie they don't look at what the competition is doing and just do the bare minimum
 
Raymond Lin said:
I see a lot of people look at this lens, love the size and bought it for the size but eventually they all move it on...it make me wonder what's wrong with it.
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I guess its the 2.8, rather than is being 1.8 or even 2.0. It is a very nice little lens to use though. Strange but unique hood too lol
 
Regarding Panamoz pricematch :

"Thanks for your email. Sorry, we're unable to come close to their price, as that's far below our cost. The best price we can offer is 1880 GBP, all inclusive. It's in stock and delivery takes 4-6 business days."
 
jj_glos said:
You are just seeing what you want to, there are plenty of current Nikon users who don't care about the single shot either, just as there are also many who do care.

The early life of the A7 was no picnic, but there were those who still liked it no matter the short comings. It's perfectly possible to like something whilst knowing that there are still improvements to be made. Just state your preference and let others have theirs, there's no need to get so wound up by it and get into a them and us attitude.
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I was an early critic but came to like the A7 despite it's shortcomings as they mostly didn't matter as pretty much all I wanted was Canon 5D quality in a much smaller package and the A7 exceeds my expectations here. However, back then the A7 was pretty much the only option apart from Leica maybe and these days there's a choice of three and soon there'll be the Panasonic/Leica/Sigma and possibly a Pentax too. In that context I'd like to see someone really having a go. Sony seem to have really had a go with the A7III and I think it's a shame that Canikon don't seem to have really pushed themselves and the market. That's how it looks to me anyway.
 
jonneymendoza said:
Maybe that's the Canon way of doing things ie they don't look at what the competition is doing and just do the bare minimum
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Maybe they look at Nikon as their main competitor and only keep half an eye on Sony or anyone else. Canon v Nikon wise I suppose the new cameras look like a good match but against the cheaper and arguably better A7III I think they look like a generation or a generation and a half behind in some respects. I never worked like that and I hate seeing it.

As a little one in my family said when I teasingly said it's not the winning but the taking part "NO! It's the winning!" They were right. IMO.
 
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Raymond Lin said:
But they knew that going in.
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different tools for different purposes. i cant live without my samyang 35 2.8 as its a tiny lens i can take with me in a restaurant or in a club even lol its small! perfect for street and being unnoticed.

Looks like your walking with a point and shoot camera
 
Raymond Lin said:
But they knew that going in.
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I quite like it! Still have my copy and still got teh Samyang too. It does make for a nice little walk about lens, and 2.8 is ok for most things. Bonus you can fit a filter under the hood too. I have an additional 49mm lens cap too, so can go hood or no hood!
 
Raymond Lin said:
I see a lot of people look at this lens, love the size and bought it for the size but eventually they all move it on...it make me wonder what's wrong with it.
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I think the only thing wrong with it is it isn't f1.8. Other than that in the early days it was the only 35mm choice wasn't it? So lots bought it.

I think that f2.8 is just acceptable but as like many others I'd really like to see a good compact 35mm f1.8. If we ever get one I might still keep the f2.8 because it makes for a very light and compact combination great for everything (if you like 35mm FoV ) apart from very low light handheld shooting, razor thin DoF and close up shots and you can get around the latter to an extent by cropping. For general picture taking from wide open to f8/11 or so it is IMO a very good lens.
 
woof woof said:
Maybe they look at Nikon as their main competitor and only keep half an eye on Sony or anyone else. Canon v Nikon wise I suppose the new cameras look like a good match but against the cheaper and arguably better A7III I think they look like a generation or a generation and a half behind in some respects. I never worked like that and I hate seeing it.

As a little one in my family said when I teasingly said it's not the winning but the taking part "NO! It's the winning!" They were right. IMO.
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Nikons first attempt at FF mirrorless isn't that bad. its a few things away from being up there on the spec sheet. but believe it or not -not every photographer wants to shoot mirrorless. It is the future though and Nikon are starting their transition. but its not like death row A mount to E mount transition. i think Nikon will catch up. its still has a massive customer base. the negative response seems over the top imo. mostly by people who will never even use the camera.
 
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addicknchips said:
Nikons first attempt at FF mirrorless isn't that bad. its a few things away from being up there on the spec sheet. but believe it or not -not every photographer wants to shoot mirrorless. It is the future though and Nikon are starting their transition. but its not like death row A mount to E mount transition. i think Nikon will catch up. its still has a massive customer base. the negative response seems over the top imo. mostly by people who will never even you the camera.
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As a camera I think the Nikon z is better than the canon. Faster, better sensor, ibis etc
 
addicknchips said:
Nikons first attempt at FF mirrorless isn't that bad. its a few things away from being up there on the spec sheet. but believe it or not -not every photographer wants to shoot mirrorless. It is the future though and Nikon are starting their transition. but its not like death row A mount to E mount transition. i think Nikon will catch up. its still has a massive customer base. the negative response seems over the top imo. mostly by people who will never even you the camera.
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I understand that not everyone wants mirrorless. In some ways DSLR v mirrorless choice is next to pointless for some like me who disliked the DSLR experience and were looking for something else. In that context the A7 (first generation models) were valid choices as they did or just about did the job and at first had next to no FF competition. These days you still have the DSLR v mirrorless choice but you also now for the first time (if we ignore Leica for various reasons) have choices within FF mirrorless.

It's the seeming lack of effort and ambition and the fanboyism that get me.

I'll try and move on.
 
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twist said:
As a camera I think the Nikon z is better than the canon. Faster, better sensor, ibis etc
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I don't think there's anything wrong with the R if you look at it as the 6D replacement but accordingly the price seems too high for what it is. It leaves me wondering what Canon is going to do, if this is the mark up for the 6D I'd hate to see what the 5D replacement is going to come in at.
 
addicknchips said:
Nikons first attempt at FF mirrorless isn't that bad. its a few things away from being up there on the spec sheet. but believe it or not -not every photographer wants to shoot mirrorless. It is the future though and Nikon are starting their transition. but its not like death row A mount to E mount transition. i think Nikon will catch up. its still has a massive customer base. the negative response seems over the top imo. mostly by people who will never even use the camera.
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I did consider the Nikon, I actually really like it. But the FPS and lack of native lenses put me off. The one card slot wasn’t a deal breaker though.

Version 2 will no doubt address most of the issues I guess and there will be native lenses that cover what I would want!
 
woof woof said:
I was an early critic but came to like the A7 despite it's shortcomings as they mostly didn't matter as pretty much all I wanted was Canon 5D quality in a much smaller package and the A7 exceeds my expectations here. However, back then the A7 was pretty much the only option apart from Leica maybe and these days there's a choice of three and soon there'll be the Panasonic/Leica/Sigma and possibly a Pentax too. In that context I'd like to see someone really having a go. Sony seem to have really had a go with the A7III and I think it's a shame that Canikon don't seem to have really pushed themselves and the market. That's how it looks to me anyway.
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Undoubtedly Canon are late to market, with the A9 and mkIII releases Sony have really hit their stride. The A7III is a massive hit for them.
 
simonbarker said:
I don't think there's anything wrong with the R if you look at it as the 6D replacement but accordingly the price seems too high for what it is. It leaves me wondering what Canon is going to do, if this is the mark up for the 6D I'd hate to see what the 5D replacement is going to come in at.
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Yeah, their pricing is likely going to suck big time!
 
simonbarker said:
I don't think there's anything wrong with the R if you look at it as the 6D replacement but accordingly the price seems too high for what it is. It leaves me wondering what Canon is going to do, if this is the mark up for the 6D I'd hate to see what the 5D replacement is going to come in at.
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The price will drop fast if they don't sell, like the 6d2.
 
The good thing for Sony is the now decent lens line up. You have budget options all the way up to £££££ options. I know you could argue that Nikon/Canon have an adaptor so access to a lot more lenses, but native wise - Sony has the best options.

Plus both Canon/Nikon are going all guns blazing on optical quality lens wise but it does make them expensive! I'm not sure if they will release some cheaper lenses later down the line.
 
jj_glos said:
I wasn't ever interested in the 6D2, was the rrp higher at launch? The £1549 based on rrp of £1728 at WEX isn't that much of a drop? Although I see on camera price buster it was £1300 on Amazon at one point?!
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i think it dropped at £2K and can now be bought grey for less than a grand.
 
Riz_Guru said:
Nothing compared to the price drop of the Sony A9 :eek:
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Which arguably was overpriced when launched!!! (It was never going sell in volume at £4.5K) But Sony got it right with A7III, putting the cat among the pigeons, causing Fuji to re-evaluate where their pricing was heading, making Panasonic/Olympus M43 high end cameras look silly (I know that now the OMD1ii is £500 less than launch), and throwing a challenge to Canon/Nikon
 
NewBeetle said:
Regarding Panamoz pricematch :

"Thanks for your email. Sorry, we're unable to come close to their price, as that's far below our cost. The best price we can offer is 1880 GBP, all inclusive. It's in stock and delivery takes 4-6 business days."
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I bought 2 A7III’s from Panamoz just over a month ago, seperate transactions and they price matched efinity both times. A mate of mine bought one too and they price matched for him too. They went out of stock for a week or so after that, maybe they have had to change supplier and their cost price has went up. They are a better option than efinity anyway probably worth paying the extra for the 3 years warranty vs the 1 year from efinity.
 
Mr Perceptive said:
Which arguably was overpriced when launched!!! (It was never going sell in volume at £4.5K) But Sony got it right with A7III, putting the cat among the pigeons, causing Fuji to re-evaluate where their pricing was heading, making Panasonic/Olympus M43 high end cameras look silly (I know that now the OMD1ii is £500 less than launch), and throwing a challenge to Canon/Nikon
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But when you compare the prices with the Nikon D5 and Canon 1DX Mark II it was actually cheaper.... I think the Sony A7 III's price point was the deal-breaker........ I have no regrets though and would still take the Sony A9 over the A7 III if I had to pick again :)
 
Riz_Guru said:
But when you compare the prices with the Nikon D5 and Canon 1DX Mark II it was actually cheaper.... I think the Sony A7 III's price point was the deal-breaker........ I have no regrets though and would still take the Sony A9 over the A7 III if I had to pick again :)
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It didn't have the native glass or pro support to compete with them at the point of release.

nandbytes said:
surely leicas are better for the display cabinet?
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The bodies will soon be out of the cabinet, its an investment vehicle for lenses (which if you keep long enough will rise in price, unlike bodies which really are starting to become disposable, and its not just Sony, look at Fuji's X-T2 £1399 -> £600 second user in two years, X-T1 did a similar price drop.
 
Mr Perceptive said:
It didn't have the native glass or pro support to compete with them at the point of release.



The bodies will soon be out of the cabinet, its an investment vehicle for lenses (which if you keep long enough will rise in price, unlike bodies which really are starting to become disposable, and its not just Sony, look at Fuji's X-T2 £1399 -> £600 second user in two years, X-T1 did a similar price drop.
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Fair point, I didn't even think about the re-sale values when I bought my camera kit.... tried out the Sony A9, a bit of drooling and it was bought! :D lol
 
simonbarker said:
I don't think there's anything wrong with the R if you look at it as the 6D replacement but accordingly the price seems too high for what it is. It leaves me wondering what Canon is going to do, if this is the mark up for the 6D I'd hate to see what the 5D replacement is going to come in at.
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My point entirely with Canon. They are still pitching their bodies way over the market price, as if they are leading the way still. I switched as a result when the 5DIV which was priced at £3500 against the D750, at the time, at £2250. And they clearly haven't progressed since. Their native lenses look a bit more interesting for the R, which is where Nikon seem to have not found the mark. Like @JJ, the Z series looks ok but the lens lineup are along way away yet. Though the 58 0.95 does look interesting, but isn't an absolute must have FL.
 
Livin The Dream said:
My point entirely with Canon. They are still pitching their bodies way over the market price, as if they are leading the way still. I switched as a result when the 5DIV which was priced at £3500 against the D750, at the time, at £2250. And they clearly haven't progressed since. Their native lenses look a bit more interesting for the R, which is where Nikon seem to have not found the mark. Like @JJ, the Z series looks ok but the lens lineup are along way away yet. Though the 58 0.95 does look interesting, but isn't an absolute must have FL.
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Nikon and Canon went in different directions, like they always do, Nikon pushes their bodies at good value, Canon lenses. Within 2-3 years it'll be worth looking into these new cameras as a NATIVE system, at the moment enjoy Sony and dont expect them to sit around and do nothing. They have a massive budget and won't lose the ground they have gained.
 
Rumours suggest that the A7s3 and the A7000 has been put back into the drawing board to further impove it/listen to what users wants.

Good decision i reckon.

i predict mid next year we will see these two camera's drop.

I do wonder if there will be a A9 mk2 drop before the olympics? i think its not needed as such but to drop a 500 f4 and 600 f4 instead
 
jonneymendoza said:
Rumours suggest that the A7s3 and the A7000 has been put back into the drawing board to further impove it/listen to what users wants.

Good decision i reckon.

i predict mid next year we will see these two camera's drop.

I do wonder if there will be a A9 mk2 drop before the olympics? i think its not needed as such but to drop a 500 f4 and 600 f4 instead
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i think they are all probably racing to be the major brand for 2020 olympics in Tokyo on their home ground. Sony clearly expressed wanting to be #1 by 2020.

I think there is will be A9m2 by then and also some nice long fast lenses.
 
jonneymendoza said:
Rumours suggest that the A7s3 and the A7000 has been put back into the drawing board to further impove it/listen to what users wants.

Good decision i reckon.

i predict mid next year we will see these two camera's drop.

I do wonder if there will be a A9 mk2 drop before the olympics? i think its not needed as such but to drop a 500 f4 and 600 f4 instead
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that would be an expensive accident.
 
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