The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

footman said:
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I saw that video after reading this:
https://www.35mmc.com/16/01/2017/sony-a7rii-review/
I'm going to have a lie down:D
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What a strange article and guy :D

I disagree a bit with his closing comments about simple cameras. Taking pictures with my A7 and a manual lens is a very simple experience as I'm ignoring 99% of the cameras features :D Just because a camera has more than one button and a few pages of menus doesn't mean you have to spend all day fiddling with them :D
 
woof woof said:
What a strange article and guy :D

I disagree a bit with his closing comments about simple cameras. Taking pictures with my A7 and a manual lens is a very simple experience as I'm ignoring 99% of the cameras features :D Just because a camera has more than one button and a few pages of menus doesn't mean you have to spend all day fiddling with them :D
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I love that I can assign loads of custom functions. Less menu, more speed.
 
twist said:
I love that I can assign loads of custom functions. Less menu, more speed.
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Yes, this is something that the online haters can't seem to see.

Yes the menus on modern cameras can be extensive and complicated but once you've waded through them and set the camera up how you want it there shouldn't be too much need to go back into the menus :D And some cameras allow multiple custom set ups which you can call up very easily :D

Or you can do as I do a lot of the time and just use the camera in aperture or manual modes with just the shutter button and the front and back dials. To get simpler I'd have to pick up my Kodak Instamatic.
 
woof woof said:
What a strange article and guy :D

I disagree a bit with his closing comments about simple cameras. Taking pictures with my A7 and a manual lens is a very simple experience as I'm ignoring 99% of the cameras features :D Just because a camera has more than one button and a few pages of menus doesn't mean you have to spend all day fiddling with them :D
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Very true Alan,since acquiring my m100 I've taken the minilistic
approach and couldn't bhappier.actually I've got Twist to thank for sending me the Canon offer link,cheers
 
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SsSsSsSsSnake said:
Very true Alan,since acquiring my m100 I've taken the minsmilistic approach and couldn't be happier.actually I've got Twist to thank for sending me the Canon offer link,cheers
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I'm still gutted that you bought my G1.... and then sold it on!!!!!!!

That camera was very possibly the best handling camera I ever had and the IQ was gorgeous from ISO 100-400. I still look at pictures and files I got from that camera.

The G7 that replaced it was a massive disappointment.... Shutter shock galore and the grip was a funny shape and just didn't feel comfortable for me at all, every time I picked that camera up it annoyed the hell out of me. Great image quality though, sports car handling and speed and a lovely EVF.
 
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woof woof said:
Yes, this is something that the online haters can't seem to see.

Yes the menus on modern cameras can be extensive and complicated but once you've waded through them and set the camera up how you want it there shouldn't be too much need to go back into the menus :D And some cameras allow multiple custom set ups which you can call up very easily :D

Or you can do as I do a lot of the time and just use the camera in aperture or manual modes with just the shutter button and the front and back dials. To get simpler I'd have to pick up my Kodak Instamatic.
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Or stick it in auto and forget it :ROFLMAO:
 
I would agree with him on one point - how quickly Sony tend to make their own recent models seem redundant. The A7 is only out a few years it seems, and even the A7II is deemed 'old' by many. Mention that you're thinking of buying one and no doubt the bigger spenders will try push an A7III on you. Sure the III is a remarkable camera, but does this mean the A7 original or mkII are suddenly useless? I don't think so, but it's such a fast moving system you will always feel that bit left behind. Meanwhile over with Nikon tonnes of 'old' D810 users are more than satisfied and never felt the need to bump to the 850, there doesn't seem to be that same kind of pressure.
 
Cagey75 said:
I would agree with him on one point - how quickly Sony tend to make their own recent models seem redundant. The A7 is only out a few years it seems, and even the A7II is deemed 'old' by many. Mention that you're thinking of buying one and no doubt the bigger spenders will try push an A7III on you. Sure the III is a remarkable camera, but does this mean the A7 original or mkII are suddenly useless? I don't think so, but it's such a fast moving system you will always feel that bit left behind. Meanwhile over with Nikon tonnes of 'old' D810 users are more than satisfied and never felt the need to bump to the 850, there doesn't seem to be that same kind of pressure.
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I disagree with the redundancy view, when the A7X comes out the previous ones don't stop working and who cares what other people think if you use an older camera?

Some people should maybe try to stop looking at the latest thing and deciding they simply have to have it and instead look at their own realistic real world requirements. What do the people complaining about new cameras want? Sony to only introduce new models like Canon do with pretty much zero innovation and the tiniest of changes every 5 years?

:D
 
woof woof said:
I disagree with the redundancy view, when the A7X comes out the previous ones don't stop working and who cares what other people think if you use an older camera?

Some people should maybe try to stop looking at the latest thing and deciding they simply have to have it and instead look at their own realistic real world requirements. What do the people complaining about new cameras want? Sony to only introduce new models like Canon do with pretty much zero innovation and the tiniest of changes every 5 years?

:D
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That's not how I see it, but it's how Sony treat their own older models. As soon as a new one is on the market they seem to shun the older ones. You'll have to ask those people I guess. I have never been one for the latest and greatest, I am pretty tight when it comes to spends on gear. I will always be a model or 2 behind and 'I' am fine with that, but I'm not talking about me personally. I actually am looking at the A7II, it's the lenses put me off, any of the ones I fancy are way too pricey. Though Samyang's new AF line intrigues me, as I know their optics are excellent
 
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Cagey75 said:
That's not how I see it, but it's how Sony treat their own older models. As soon as a new one is on the market they seem to shun the older ones. You'll have to ask those people I guess. I have never been one for the latest and greatest, I am pretty tight when it comes to spends on gear. I will always be a model or 2 behind and 'I' am fine with that, but I'm not talking about me personally. I actually am looking at the A7II, it's the lenses put me off, any of the ones I fancy are way too pricey. Though Samyang's new AF line intrigues me, as I know their optics are excellent
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Dunno about Sony shunning the old models. They're possibly the only maker still selling older generation cameras, A7 and A6000 for example. Maybe putting them on the back burner is more apt :D with little chance of firmware updates but even so maybe the older stuff is very possibly still good enough for most people if they're honest about their needs. Just my opinion, YMMV, but I was happy with my 5D except for the bulk and weight and until I realised I could take pictures at ISO's into the thousand with a camera half the size :D
 
Cagey75 said:
That's not how I see it, but it's how Sony treat their own older models. As soon as a new one is on the market they seem to shun the older ones. You'll have to ask those people I guess. I have never been one for the latest and greatest, I am pretty tight when it comes to spends on gear. I will always be a model or 2 behind and 'I' am fine with that, but I'm not talking about me personally. I actually am looking at the A7II, it's the lenses put me off, any of the ones I fancy are way too pricey. Though Samyang's new AF line intrigues me, as I know their optics are excellent
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Sony don't shun old models! They are still selling the original a7 brand new...

Where can I buy a brand new Canon 5d3?
 
woof woof said:
Dunno about Sony shunning the old models. They're possibly the only maker still selling older generation cameras, A7 and A6000 for example. Maybe putting them on the back burner is more apt :D with little chance of firmware updates but even so maybe the older stuff is very possibly still good enough for most people if they're honest about their needs. Just my opinion, YMMV, but I was happy with my 5D except for the bulk and weight and until I realised I could take pictures at ISO's into the thousand with a camera half the size :D
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I know people who have the A7III and all I've seen them do is post family 'snaps' on FB, but hey, it's their money. I'd love the III but can't afford it, plain simple. The high ISO capabilities is the biggest attraction with Sony. I feel like I 'need' IBIS, and that's what I love about my G80, but ... if you have insanely good ISO performance you don't need that IBIS near as much. The A7II has both, though I'm sure the IBIS is nothing on Panasonic's, it would be good enough for stills, if only even a couple of stops. I've been eyeing Canon too, the 80D looks ideal for me, lack of 4K doesn't bother me - I don't plan on pretending to be Casey Nesitat anytime soon, I think even he shoots 1080p mostly! which is odd, as it's his mass following that run the comment section on every other camera review demanding 4K
 
jonneymendoza said:
Sony don't shun old models! They are still selling the original a7 brand new...

Where can I buy a brand new Canon 5d3?
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Sony are? or the warehouses that are lumbered with tonnes of them? When was the last firmware for it?

5DIII?? at least use proper comparisons, that camera is a lot older than the A7
 
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The A7 and A7II etc are still in production AFAIK, ditto the older A6xxx, maybe I'm wrong but I'm sure I read that somewhere. Dunno when the last firmware update was.
 
woof woof said:
The A7 and A7II etc are still in production AFAIK, ditto the older A6xxx, maybe I'm wrong but I'm sure I read that somewhere. Dunno when the last firmware update was.
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they are indeed still in production. Last firmware update was a while ago I think. Basically once newer gen is out, old gen stops getting any updates :(
 
BOOM just over a year ago

https://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/support/e-mount-body-ilce7-series/ilce-7m2

and you can buy it brand new still.

Benefits and improvements from the latest update
  • Improved operability of the camera:
    1. Improved operability when AF area is set to flexible spot
      See here for details.
    2. Added Live View Display into custom button assignation
    3. Added Set File Name function
  • Supports visible light LED in external flash for AF (HVL-F45RM)
  • Improved release time lag when wireless flash is used
  • Improved overall stability of the camera

It was a big update too unlike what canikon offers..
 
jonneymendoza said:
Sony are. You can buy those directly from Sony.

A72 and r2 got an update early last year I think it was. Fw 4.x
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Fair enough. It most be more the 'fanboys' that shun the older models. I've seen comments and posts pretty much steering people away from the older models with the push to the MkIII. Have to say, don't see that on here, which is good.

jonneymendoza said:
BOOM just over a year ago

https://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/support/e-mount-body-ilce7-series/ilce-7m2

and you can buy it brand new still.

Benefits and improvements from the latest update
  • Improved operability of the camera:
    1. Improved operability when AF area is set to flexible spot
      See here for details.
    2. Added Live View Display into custom button assignation
    3. Added Set File Name function
  • Supports visible light LED in external flash for AF (HVL-F45RM)
  • Improved release time lag when wireless flash is used
  • Improved overall stability of the camera

It was a big update too unlike what canikon offers..
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Um, that's the mkII, I meant the A7 original. So don't know what the "Boom" is about - 'Canikons' [such a fanboy word! :D ] maybe don't require as many updates?
 
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Cagey75 said:
Fair enough. It most be more the 'fanboys' that shun the older models. I've seen comments and posts pretty much steering people away from the older models with the push to the MkIII. Have to say, don't see that on here, which is good.
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Yea the mk2 is a great camera. So is the r2 as well.

currently the original sony a7 is the cheapest ff body you can buy .
 
Anyway, I don't get hung up on all that, just going by what I see posted about from more gear-heads than photographers. The A7II looks like it could be ideal for me, will have to do more research but It's a possible.
 
Cagey75 said:
Fair enough. It most be more the 'fanboys' that shun the older models. I've seen comments and posts pretty much steering people away from the older models with the push to the MkIII. Have to say, don't see that on here, which is good.QUOTE]
No your wrong there Keith Fanboys donuts shun the older models ,take Alan for example :p:D:ROFLMAO:
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Well, the early cameras don't have the AF performance, bells and whistles and there are those who prefer the grip and handling of the later cameras too and then there's the colour issue that some here have a problem with, personally I don't.

I think that even a MK1 A7 series camera can make sense if you go into them knowing the abilities and limitations and judge for yourself :D Especially if all you want is a small form factor camera for taking pictures which don't exactly require sports car like responses.
 
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woof woof said:
Well, the early cameras don't have the AF performance, bells and whistles and there are those who prefer the grip and handling of the later cameras too and then there's the colour issue that some here have a problem with, personally I don't.

I think that even a MK1 A7 series camera can make sense if you go into them knowing the abilities and limitations and judge for yourself :D Especially if all you want is a small form factor camera for taking pictures which don't exactly require sports car like responses.
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Not really heard the colour issue thing, I ignore a lot of that though as I only ever shoot RAW and tinker with colours to suit myself no matter the camera.

I think part of the problem with older models is, once you have tasted some of the benefits of newer tech, like good touch screen, IBIS, flippy-floppy screens, immersive evf with wysiwyg imagery and 4K video, it's hard to then switch back to older menu systems, no touch screen, static screens etc ... But end results should still matter most. Well, ergonomics too, I think you need to enjoy the feel of the gear to make you want to use it more. One reason I'd look more to the mkII is the better grip, then it's also got IBIS
 
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Cagey75 said:
I would agree with him on one point - how quickly Sony tend to make their own recent models seem redundant. The A7 is only out a few years it seems, and even the A7II is deemed 'old' by many. Mention that you're thinking of buying one and no doubt the bigger spenders will try push an A7III on you. Sure the III is a remarkable camera, but does this mean the A7 original or mkII are suddenly useless? I don't think so, but it's such a fast moving system you will always feel that bit left behind. Meanwhile over with Nikon tonnes of 'old' D810 users are more than satisfied and never felt the need to bump to the 850, there doesn't seem to be that same kind of pressure.
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Nope, Sony isnt making their previous models redundant fast, they are still offering them as new cameras to buy so theres even more choice.

Ive typed this before.... the A7, A7s and A7r are VERY different cameras, just because there releases overlap sometimes doesn't mean they are making other cameras redundant, thats like saying all of Canikons cameras make each other redundant.

A7 Oct 2013, A7ii, Nov 2014, A7iii Mar 2018.

D800 Mar 2012, D810 Jul 2014, Jul 2017.

How are they treating their older models? The same way as every other manufacturer trying to push new gear.
 
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twist said:
Nope, Sony isnt making their previous models redundant fast, they are still offering them as new cameras to buy so theres even more choice.

Ive typed this before.... the A7, A7s and A7r are VERY different cameras, just because there releases overlap sometimes doesn't mean they are making other cameras redundant, thats like saying all of Canikons cameras make each other redundant.

A7 Oct 2013, A7ii, Nov 2014, A7iii Mar 2018.

D800 Mar 2012, D810 Jul 2014, Jul 2017.

How are they treating their older models? The same way as every other manufacturer trying to push new gear.
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I never mentioned the alt versions, s/r - just the straight 7 line. We've also pretty much established it's not so much Sony, but their fans that quickly shun the old and push the new. I rarely ever see Nikon D800 users, the original old-at-this-stage D800, being urged to bump to the 810 let alone 850. It's just a different crowd I guess. I used the D800E for years, right up through the 810 era, never felt compelled to upgrade.
 
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I never mentioned the alt versions, s/r - just the straight 7 line. We've also pretty much established it's not so much Sony, but their fans that quickly shun the old and push the new. I rarely ever see Nikon D800 users, the original old-at-this-stage D800, being urged to bump to the 810 let alone 850. It's just a different crowd I guess. I used the D800E for years, right up through the 810 era, never felt compelled to upgrade.
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Theres not much difference between the D800 and D810, there is a massive difference between the Mk2 and Mk3 Sony though, its a big improvement in every way so people are excited about the new model, it offers a lot over the Mk2 and just about everything else on the market at the price point.
 
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Theres not much difference between the D800 and D810, there is a massive difference between the Mk2 and Mk3 Sony though, its a big improvement in every way so people are excited about the new model.
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I need to do more research on Sony models tbh, but I don't think there was a whole heap between the 7 and mkII?
 
Cagey75 said:
I need to do more research on Sony models tbh, but I don't think there was a whole heap between the 7 and mkII?
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IBIS and phase adapted lenses, I never went for the mk2 because it didn't offer much more, same sensor, same body, similar AF, same battery etc etc. I guess its a similar thing to the D800/810 but that probs offered a bigger leap in AF.
 
collectors item photo from me as its on the a7r and samyang 35mm f2.8

36mp in the palm of my hand. so, so wanted to love this set-up. lovely image quality. but a mixture of poor focus, hell raising shutter noise and a lack of anything to hold onto really made the a7r2 - while not perfect -a significant upgrade.

Untitled by Jonathan Howes, on Flickr
 
addicknchips said:
collectors item photo from me as its on the a7r and samyang 35mm f2.8

36mp in the palm of my hand. so, so wanted to love this set-up. lovely image quality. but a mixture of poor focus, hell raising shutter noise and a lack of anything to hold onto really made the a7r2 - while not perfect -a significant upgrade.

Untitled by Jonathan Howes, on Flickr
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Tell you what I'll print out a nice Fuji badge for you to stick it on your bodies so you can enjoy them :P
 
Cagey75 said:
I would agree with him on one point - how quickly Sony tend to make their own recent models seem redundant. The A7 is only out a few years it seems, and even the A7II is deemed 'old' by many. Mention that you're thinking of buying one and no doubt the bigger spenders will try push an A7III on you. Sure the III is a remarkable camera, but does this mean the A7 original or mkII are suddenly useless? I don't think so, but it's such a fast moving system you will always feel that bit left behind. Meanwhile over with Nikon tonnes of 'old' D810 users are more than satisfied and never felt the need to bump to the 850, there doesn't seem to be that same kind of pressure.
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I think maybe with the A7 series they were playing catch up with DSLR which is why when they've finally caught up the older models seem far more old hat than they should be, ie they're not only behind the latest and greatest but were also behind (in some regards) with the market at the time. I would expect that the A7iii will not become 'long in the tooth' anywhere near as quickly as the A7 and A7ii. Yes there will be a mark iv and mark v at some point, but I don't think there'll be the same rush to 'dismiss' the A7iii as old hat.
 
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