The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

redhed17 said:
That shows the trend, but the numbers tell you what is selling now. If you were to see internet articles and forums you would think that mirrorless is more popular and the DSLR is virtually dead, but the numbers tell a different story. People want to embrace the new and evangelise whilst the majority just use DSLRs and keep themselves to themselves. With the mirrorless cameras there is more going on, as the advancements come quick and fast compared to the DSLR format, hence this thread compared to any other DSLR thread. ;)

Don't get me wrong, mirrorless is the future, as it is the sector growing the most, or slowing down the least, ;) and the manufactures will obviously follow the money, or they go bust. But the DSLR is not quite the way of the Dodo yet. ;)
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Don't think I ever said DSLRs were dead. I'd say only the latest Sonys post-A9 is really replacements for DSLRs for pro-style shooting. That too only 3 rather new bodies vs. generations of great reliable DSLR+lenses.

But Nikon and canon seem to be making the move too now. so future seems to be headed towards FF mirrorless mostly!
 
Didn't get round to do any tests this weekend.... except one quick one. 1:1 screenshot. Click to view a little bigger.



 
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nandbytes said:
Don't think I ever said DSLRs were dead. I'd say only the latest Sonys post-A9 is really replacements for DSLRs for pro-style shooting. That too only 3 rather new bodies vs. generations of great reliable DSLR+lenses.

But Nikon and canon seem to be making the move too now. so future seems to be headed towards FF mirrorless mostly!
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I think I said if you look at internet websites and forums you would think that the DSLR was dead and that everyone was buying mirrorless cameras. That is not the case. ;) There is obviously a push by websites, bloggers and reviewers towards mirrorless as that has been were the growth and rapid innovation has been happening, so generating content to fill your webpages and so money. :rolleyes: A lot of that of that innovation has been to get as good as, but hopefully better than DSLRs in some areas, which they are just about doing, and have started to get the depth of first party lenses many have been craving.

The flawed survey that started this tangent made it sound like all photographers want mirrorless cameras, which depending on how you interpret his results, is or isn't the vast (of the small number of people who replied to his flawed survey) number of people wanting to change that as he made it sound.

Still, something to talk about, and no doubt the author of the survey has had many views. ;)
 
twist said:
Didn't get round to do any tests this weekend.... except one quick one. 1:1 screenshot. Click to view a little bigger.



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certainly less noticeable CA in sigma. I wonder how they compare centre-mid frame? (as suppose to corners)
 
nandbytes said:
certainly less noticeable CA in sigma. I wonder how they compare centre-mid frame? (as suppose to corners)
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That pic is a crop into the centreish top 1/3rd of the frame (I moved the 1:1 crop to fill the frame). Sharpness difference is pretty big but I think thats also down to the CA / glow the Zeiss exhibits, contrast drops and fine detail is lost.
 
Maybe this is better, this is a 100% crop from the RAW in PS then output to jpg and uploaded. As you can see theres quite a big difference. In sharpness and CA.



 
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twist said:
Maybe this is better, this is a 100% crop from the RAW in PS then output to jpg and uploaded. As you can see theres quite a big difference. In sharpness and CA.



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damn you, I was so sure about the zeiss 35mm/1.4 for all of one day!! :banghead:
 
My other half asked if the second shot of my posted samples was taken on my phone. Someone who has absolutely no idea but to judge the image for what it is.

I'll let you know if I have any AF lock ups, so far none, haven't seen f1.4 or Deci report any.

Not at all bothered about slightly better video AF when the manual focus ring is good and I have a 55 if I'm lazy.

Why's he got a filter on the sigma and not the sz?
 
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Anyone watching the World Cup final and that rain?!

That’s what Sony needs to make to withstand those kind of weather at a minimum.
 
twist said:
My other half asked if the second shot of my posted samples was taken on my phone. Someone who has absolutely no idea but to judge the image for what it is.

I'll let you know if I have any AF lock ups, so far none, haven't seen f1.4 or Deci report any.

Not at all bothered about slightly better video AF when the manual focus ring is good and I have a 55 if I'm lazy.
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Well, the point is that your priorities are different, neither are perfect so you pick your poison.

Clearly JV has decided from his own testing that the Zeiss is the one for him, despite the massive price gap.
 
Raymond Lin said:
Well, the point is that your priorities are different, neither are perfect so you pick your poison.

Clearly JV has decided from his own testing that the Zeiss is the one for him, despite the massive price gap.
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Of course, he's a video guy so that's pretty obvious.... It has the edge in video af and 4k isnt 24 or 42mp when you scrutinize.
 
twist said:
My other half asked if the second shot of my posted samples was taken on my phone. Someone who has absolutely no idea but to judge the image for what it is.

I'll let you know if I have any AF lock ups, so far none, haven't seen f1.4 or Deci report any.

Not at all bothered about slightly better video AF when the manual focus ring is good and I have a 55 if I'm lazy.

Why's he got a filter on the sigma and not the sz?
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Nothing to report for either of our Sigmas. Everything is fine.

Just seen Panamoz are doing the A9 for 2800... I love the A7III but that is so tempting.
 
decigallen said:
Nothing to report for either of our Sigmas. Everything is fine.

Just seen Panamoz are doing the A9 for 2800... I love the A7III but that is so tempting.
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Its an incredible camera. The silent mode is so much better and being able to shoot up to 1/32000 shutter in bright light with primes

If they added the video profiles we would never have got rid of it
 
twist said:
My other half asked if the second shot of my posted samples was taken on my phone. Someone who has absolutely no idea but to judge the image for what it is.

I'll let you know if I have any AF lock ups, so far none, haven't seen f1.4 or Deci report any.

Not at all bothered about slightly better video AF when the manual focus ring is good and I have a 55 if I'm lazy.

Why's he got a filter on the sigma and not the sz?
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Same with us. No issues other than the video AF not being as good as Id hoped but its still very usable for alot of situations!

Ended up buying the Tamron 28-75 for video and its amazing !!
 
F/1.4 said:
Its an incredible camera. The silent mode is so much better and being able to shoot up to 1/32000 shutter in bright light with primes

If they added the video profiles we would never have got rid of it
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Do you find 1/8000 limiting? Cant say I have even at f1.4 with this heatwave, if it does clip its easy to pull back in post.
 
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twist said:
Do you find 1/8000 limiting? Cant say I have even at f1.4 with this heatwave, if it does clip its easy to pull back in post.
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At the last 5 weddings I have and have had to stop down lol

Still amazing none the less
 
Anyone here own the Sigma 70mm art macro??? About to pull the trigger maybe on one. Is it designed for dslr primarily ?
 
twist said:
Do you find 1/8000 limiting? Cant say I have even at f1.4 with this heatwave, if it does clip its easy to pull back in post.
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I have on odd occasion hit it but like you I simply put up with it and recover back whatever I can in post. It's so rare I wouldn't switch bodies just for this, nice to have though.
 
F/1.4 said:
Anyone here own the Sigma 70mm art macro??? About to pull the trigger maybe on one. Is it designed for dslr primarily ?
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It's a DSLR lens for sure but it'll work on mirrorless no problem as far as IQ is concerned.
But the FE90 isn't that much more expensive especially with the current cashback offer. Definitely a better lens. It's one of the best macro lens out there.
 
nandbytes said:
It's a DSLR lens for sure but it'll work on mirrorless no problem as far as IQ is concerned.
But the FE90 isn't that much more expensive especially with the current cashback offer. Definitely a better lens. It's one of the best macro lens out there.
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I'd also just get the Sony, better macro FL.
 
nandbytes said:
It's a DSLR lens for sure but it'll work on mirrorless no problem as far as IQ is concerned.
But the FE90 isn't that much more expensive especially with the current cashback offer. Definitely a better lens. It's one of the best macro lens out there.
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£410 quid from e infinity. Uses focus by wire system, doesnt seem to have a bolted on bit?
 
F/1.4 said:
£410 quid from e infinity. Uses focus by wire system, doesnt seem to have a bolted on bit?
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Don't think FE90 is focus by wire. It has distance marking on the body of the lens. Doesn't extend out which is kinda nice too.

Not sure what you mean by 'bolted on bit'
 
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F/1.4 said:
Its an incredible camera. The silent mode is so much better and being able to shoot up to 1/32000 shutter in bright light with primes

If they added the video profiles we would never have got rid of it
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Don't tell me that, Tony! Silent mode banding is the only thing really letting the A7 down.

The drive mode/AF dial on the top is also something I could do with. But is it worth £800 to me... probably not.
 
decigallen said:
Don't tell me that, Tony! Silent mode banding is the only thing really letting the A7 down.

The drive mode/AF dial on the top is also something I could do with. But is it worth £800 to me... probably not.
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I only use silent mode during the service really but when I had the A9 it was on silent mode 100% of the time. I think with the way you guys shoot, high volume etc it would be great. 100% worth 2800. I paid £4300 :exit:
 
nandbytes said:
Don't think FE90 is focus by wire. It has distance marking on the body of the lens. Doesn't extend out which is kinda nice too.

Not sure what you mean by 'bolted on bit'
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No I meant the Sigma Art pal

The art lenses on e mount have abit extra on them, I dont think the 70mm has.. thats what I meant by bolted on bit
 
nandbytes said:
I have on odd occasion hit it but like you I simply put up with it and recover back whatever I can in post. It's so rare I wouldn't switch bodies just for this, nice to have though.
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Even at f1.2 I have few problems but honestly sometimes what's shown as blown in the file just doesn't matter in the whole picture.
 
F/1.4 said:
I only use silent mode during the service really but when I had the A9 it was on silent mode 100% of the time. I think with the way you guys shoot, high volume etc it would be great. 100% worth 2800. I paid £4300 :exit:
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No question it's worth 2800. If I was buying one body, I'd go for it. But buying 4 (by panamoz prices) it would be £7400 v £11400. That's £4k extra for a dial and better silent shooting. 20fps is wasted on me and there's a slight dip in DR and low light ability, on paper at least.
 
F/1.4 said:
No I meant the Sigma Art pal

The art lenses on e mount have abit extra on them, I dont think the 70mm has.. thats what I meant by bolted on bit
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Ah it does have that bit :)
It also extends out when you go to 1:1 which I don't like.

If you don't need AF and 1:1 and are happy with 1:2 there is a voigtlander 65mm f2 in sales.
 
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decigallen said:
No question it's worth 2800. If I was buying one body, I'd go for it. But buying 4 (by panamoz prices) it would be £7400 v £11400. That's £4k extra for a dial and better silent shooting. 20fps is wasted on me and there's a slight dip in DR and low light ability, on paper at least.
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Very true ! Im very happy with the A7III and at half the cost of what I paid for the A9, its a very similar camera
 
F/1.4 said:
Thanks for that info dude. Promptly changing my mind here lol

Actually would love a light 85mm :thinking:
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You should try the 85 Batis, mate...

F/1.4 said:
Very true ! Im very happy with the A7III and at half the cost of what I paid for the A9, its a very similar camera
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The interesting thing will be if the A9 (grey) is £2800, what will CaNikon do about their mirrorless prices. The Nikon one will be around that price, based on past pricing form. It would have to be an absolute beast to go up against the A9 and the leaked specs suggest it can't match it.
 
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