The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

Riz_Guru said:
I don’t think it would be in Canon & Nikon’s best interests if they released an adaptor that made their exiting lenses operate exactly the same as their new more expensive mirrorless lens mounts.
They will most likely do what Sony did with their A mount to E mount adaptors.

- high price for the adaptors
- big in size
- reduced functionality / feature set

They will want people to buy their new lenses, that’s where the profit is.
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But they also need to quietly persuade canon dslr users to move over. Allowing them to use some of their existing glass makes sense.
 
addicknchips said:
But they also need to quietly persuade canon dslr users to move over. Allowing them to use some of their existing glass makes sense.
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considering most of the glass I use or want to use are no smaller on e-mount and canon EF already have glass I like at a affordable price, if canon make a decent sensor with good eye-AF abilities I'd switch (i.e. NOT like 6D2 and more like 5D4).
 
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addicknchips said:
But they also need to quietly persuade canon dslr users to move over. Allowing them to use some of their existing glass makes sense.
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They will but doubt the older DSLR lenses will operate like the native mirrorless versions, otherwise they might as well stick to their current mounts and reduce their profit potential.

Mirrorless technology and features will persuade existing users to move over, they have been waiting and drooling for ages! Lol

I would say they will change their protocols and lock them down so nobody can make 3rd party adaptors. Perhaps licence put the protocols etc.
They need to generate profits.
 
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Riz_Guru said:
They will but doubt the older DSLR lenses will operate like the native mirrorless versions, otherwise they might as well stick to their current mounts and reduce their profit potential.
I would say they will change their protocols and lock them down so nobody can make 3rd party adaptors. Perhaps licence put the protocols etc.
They need to generate profits.
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We’ll see. Hopefully sooner rather than later.
 
Riz_Guru said:
They will but doubt the older DSLR lenses will operate like the native mirrorless versions, otherwise they might as well stick to their current mounts and reduce their profit potential.
I would say they will change their protocols and lock them down so nobody can make 3rd party adaptors. Perhaps licence put the protocols etc.
They need to generate profits.
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so you are saying they'll dump eos-m?

I don't think so... that'd be stupid
 
nandbytes said:
so you are saying they'll dump eos-m?

I don't think so... that'd be stupid
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Canon have around 7 EF-M lenses available at the moment, they could expand the line your right. Guess it depends if the EF-M was designed with FF in mind?
 
Both Canon and NIkon need the money. Neither are going to miss out on an opportunity to do that. Call me a cynic, but it just doesn't make business sense for either company. EOS-M Is APS-C right? Maybe they'll come out with an EOS-M FF mount, or something. Adapted glass is a contentious one - not sure what Canon would do in regards to adapters. I'd be tempted to say they'll lock down the protocol, not allowing 3rd party adapters, but we'll see.
 
Riz_Guru said:
I don’t think it would be in Canon & Nikon’s best interests if they released an adaptor that made their exiting lenses operate exactly the same as their new more expensive mirrorless lens mounts.
They will most likely do what Sony did with their A mount to E mount adaptors.

- high price for the adaptors
- big in size
- reduced functionality / feature set

They will want people to buy their new lenses, that’s where the profit is.
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TBH as Cankion have bee so tardy in pulling their finger out in releasing mirrorless they've now left themselves between a rock and a hard place. Bring out a new mount without making existing lenses fully compatible and you upset a lot of current users, and potentially lose more customers to Sony as there'll not be anywhere enough lenses to suit everyone's needs. Only Canikon will know what they're going to do, but as I said by waiting so long they've made it difficult.

nandbytes said:
I believe e-mount is an open standard, it might work in both Sony and nikon's favour if nikon used e-mount also (kinda like oly & pana with m43)
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That would be mega if Sony and Nikon did that, unfortunately I don't see that happening.

Riz_Guru said:
Mirrorless technology and features will persuade existing users to move over, they have been waiting and drooling for ages! Lol

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TBH I still prefer the view looking through OVF's, it's just so much nicer on the eye. A lot of the other features don't really interest me either, such as eye AF, peaking etc, for my shooting none of these are of any benefit. One feature that is useful (to me) is to see the cropped view in DX mode, and on the very odd occasion having the WYSIWYG in the EVF can be useful. The debate as to which is better will go on forever I feel, just like the Canon vs Nikon debate. What's odd is that a lot of EVF fanatics don't understand why some prefer OVFs ;)
 
Mid way through a wedding with the Sony gear. MUCH prefer it to the dslrs though I'd say another few outings in the next month and I'll be well adapted.

Battery on the A7III is brilliant !
 
snerkler said:
TBH I still prefer the view looking through OVF's, it's just so much nicer on the eye. A lot of the other features don't really interest me either, such as eye AF, peaking etc, for my shooting none of these are of any benefit. One feature that is useful (to me) is to see the cropped view in DX mode, and on the very odd occasion having the WYSIWYG in the EVF can be useful. The debate as to which is better will go on forever I feel, just like the Canon vs Nikon debate. What's odd is that a lot of EVF fanatics don't understand why some prefer OVFs ;)
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What's the best EVF you've tried?

I've not tried the A9 or A7R III but I assume the increased resolution and frame rate would remove whatever minor complaints I still had about them and even so I'll take the trade, having a well lit display at all times is a huge advantage for me.

I know some people don't get along with EVF's regardless of quality, not sure what they'll do when everything goes mirrorless though.
 
Personally I think there will be a place for OVF's for a some time, for example if like me shooting wildlife you can spend most of the day looking though the viewfinder never to fire off a shot it draws little power, sometimes my camera sits in standby for hours and hours but I still get to view the world through the viewfinder, when Sony bring out a decent 500/600mm and a camera that can do a week on a charge I may switch my dated ;) 1dx2/Canon rig. I'd like to add a Sony mirrorless just for GAS but times/tech change fast so I will hang fire for the main players to catch up ;), after all it was only a short while back that Sony found there feet and got with the program re the A7/9. Give it a year from now and see what hits the market, some say Sony have an ace card to play when Canon etc bring out a mirrorless, I'd say they have nothing other than what they have now, my guess is no matter what they all produce I will still have GAS and my photography will be none the better for any of them... :)
 
simonbarker said:
What's the best EVF you've tried?

I've not tried the A9 or A7R III but I assume the increased resolution and frame rate would remove whatever minor complaints I still had about them and even so I'll take the trade, having a well lit display at all times is a huge advantage for me.

I know some people don't get along with EVF's regardless of quality, not sure what they'll do when everything goes mirrorless though.
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EVF's I tried or had are the A77 and A77II, XT1, EM1, EM1-II, A7Rii, A7 and a few bridge cameras (and maybe a couple more that I've forgotten ;)) I appreciate that the A7riii and A9 have better EVFs (spec wise) but imo it doesn't matter how good the screen get you're always looking at a screen and as such will never look like an OVF. That's just physics ;)
 
snerkler said:
EVF's I tried or had are the A77 and A77II, XT1, EM1, EM1-II, A7Rii, A7 and a few bridge cameras (and maybe a couple more that I've forgotten ;)) I appreciate that the A7riii and A9 have better EVFs (spec wise) but imo it doesn't matter how good the screen get you're always looking at a screen and as such will never look like an OVF. That's just physics ;)
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Your end result will be very close to what you see on the screen not what you see through OVF. If you want to naturally admire the view then probably best to just use your eyes and/or binoculars. Would save a lot of space and money :D

For photographing things my opinion is EVF is far more useful tool that OVF. Of course there used to be issues with lag etc for shooting action but those are disappearing also.

I am an EVF fanboi :D
 
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nandbytes said:
Your end result will be very close to what you see on the screen not what you see through OVF. If you want to naturally admire the view then probably best to just use your eyes and/or binoculars. Would save a lot of space and money :D
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Oh yeah, I just don't know how togs have coped all these years not being able to see the end result before taking the shot ;) :p
 
snerkler said:
Oh yeah, I just don't know how togs have coped all these years not being able to see the end result before taking the shot ;) :p
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Photographers coped without AF, stabilisation, ridiculously high ISOs etc etc etc. That's a silly argument, just because its possible to cope doesn't make it better or equally useful.

As I said above for photographing things my opinion is EVF is far more useful tool that OVF. Of course there used to be issues with lag etc for shooting action but those are disappearing also.

I am an EVF fanboi :D
 
simonbarker said:
What's the best EVF you've tried?

I've not tried the A9 or A7R III but I assume the increased resolution and frame rate would remove whatever minor complaints I still had about them and even so I'll take the trade, having a well lit display at all times is a huge advantage for me.

I know some people don't get along with EVF's regardless of quality, not sure what they'll do when everything goes mirrorless though.
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I guess it depends what you shoot?

My reservations on the A7iii EVF are as follows. But without getting to try one in the field I can’t say how the EVF will perform for me.

I pan and track horses whilst taking burst pics, then track some more then take more bursts.
Will there be any lag?
Will I still be able to track as well as an OVF bearing in mind using mechanical shutter it shows the image taken.

I take panning/slow action pics in very low light. The A9 files looked no better than the ones from the D750, if anything not as clean, so still not quite seeing the benefit of the A7iii over the D750. Although this could have been down to the Photographer using the A9!

I’m not fussed about the view finder showing ‘what you get’ as any sort of lag or loss or tracking means that becomes irrelevant anyway!

But as I said, without testing in that actual environment I can’t say if it will or will not be a deal breaker! Only issues with that is no one has stock and would have to buy one to try it anyway!

But after all my own reservations I am still tempted. Not sure why why I read that back :LOL:
 
snerkler said:
TBH as Cankion have bee so tardy in pulling their finger out in releasing mirrorless they've now left themselves between a rock and a hard place. Bring out a new mount without making existing lenses fully compatible and you upset a lot of current users, and potentially lose more customers to Sony as there'll not be anywhere enough lenses to suit everyone's needs. Only Canikon will know what they're going to do, but as I said by waiting so long they've made it difficult.

That would be mega if Sony and Nikon did that, unfortunately I don't see that happening.


TBH I still prefer the view looking through OVF's, it's just so much nicer on the eye. A lot of the other features don't really interest me either, such as eye AF, peaking etc, for my shooting none of these are of any benefit. One feature that is useful (to me) is to see the cropped view in DX mode, and on the very odd occasion having the WYSIWYG in the EVF can be useful. The debate as to which is better will go on forever I feel, just like the Canon vs Nikon debate. What's odd is that a lot of EVF fanatics don't understand why some prefer OVFs ;)
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EVF’s just about remove the need to gimp, though.

/endthread
 
arthurbikemad said:
Give it a year from now and see what hits the market, some say Sony have an ace card to play when Canon etc bring out a mirrorless, I'd say they have nothing other than what they have now,
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Weren't they planning the A9 years ago or at least the tech that made it possible? I'd guess that they kept on planning and have a roadmap of sorts of stuff still to come.
 
woof woof said:
Weren't they planning the A9 years ago or at least the tech that made it possible? I'd guess that they kept on planning and have a roadmap of sorts of stuff still to come.
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Yes, the technical side to sensor was known to Sony DI about 3 years ago.
That’s some insight for the Sony DI business to plan the Sony A9.
 
nandbytes said:
Photographers coped without AF, stabilisation, ridiculously high ISOs etc etc etc. That's a silly argument, just because its possible to cope doesn't make it better or equally useful.

As I said above for photographing things my opinion is EVF is far more useful tool that OVF. Of course there used to be issues with lag etc for shooting action but those are disappearing also.

I am an EVF fanboi :D
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It wasn't an argument it was a joke ;)

ohms12 said:
EVF’s just about remove the need to gimp, though.

/endthread
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I don't need to chimp with my OVF, I understand my metering and 99% of the time my exposure turns out how I want them. EVFs aren't full proof though, quite often in bright sunlight you can't see all the shadow detail etc and can sometimes be fooled into thinking you need to boost the exposure, even if I shield the EVF with my hand. I've done this several times and then when I get back to the computer they've then been overexposed. I've since stopped relying on the image that I see and trust the metering and histogram (yes the histogram in the EVF is useful). But that's the problem with LCD screens, they look different in different lights, even the ones in the EVFs.

P.S> I appreciate as screens improve this will get better.
 
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F/1.4 said:
The A7III definitely has better eye AF

The no blackout is definitely brilliant though
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How much better is it, have you had a chance to try it back to back against the Sony A9.
Wonder if it’s still as good at high fps in terms of keepers or if it just looks more sticky looking at the square box on LCD/EVF?

Sony A9 Eye-AF.

 
JJ! said:
I pan and track horses whilst taking burst pics, then track some more then take more bursts.
Will there be any lag?
Will I still be able to track as well as an OVF bearing in mind using mechanical shutter it shows the image taken.
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Can't answer this unfortunately, it would be fairly damning for Sony mirrorless if it couldn't though?

JJ! said:
I take panning/slow action pics in very low light. The A9 files looked no better than the ones from the D750, if anything not as clean, so still not quite seeing the benefit of the A7iii over the D750. Although this could have been down to the Photographer using the A9!
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Thing is, the D750 is exceptionally good camera and dirt cheap used, you'll spend double or quadruple that price and you're never going to get double or quadruple the performance in return. From what I've seen the A7 III should outperform the D750 across the board but for most situations at small resolutions I doubt I could tell the difference, I'm not liking the low light AF-C performance though but this is something I never really use.

JJ! said:
I’m not fussed about the view finder showing ‘what you get’ as any sort of lag or loss or tracking means that becomes irrelevant anyway!
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Neither am I but it's still a selling point most people will make use of at some point.
 
simonbarker said:
Thing is, the D750 is exceptionally good camera and dirt cheap used, you'll spend double or quadruple that price and you're never going to get double or quadruple the performance in return. From what I've seen the A7 III should outperform the D750 across the board but for most situations at small resolutions I doubt I could tell the difference, I'm not liking the low light AF-C performance though but this is something I never really use.

t.
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Even low light AF-C?
 
simonbarker said:
Can't answer this unfortunately, it would be fairly damning for Sony mirrorless if it couldn't though?



Thing is, the D750 is exceptionally good camera and dirt cheap used, you'll spend double or quadruple that price and you're never going to get double or quadruple the performance in return. From what I've seen the A7 III should outperform the D750 across the board but for most situations at small resolutions I doubt I could tell the difference, I'm not liking the low light AF-C performance though but this is something I never really use.



Neither am I but it's still a selling point most people will make use of at some point.
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All good and fair points! With regards to the low light AFC. That could be the deal breaker for me. Next model will maybe have it all!!!

Saying that - I will keep an eye on A9 prices grey lol
 
snerkler said:
TBH as Cankion have bee so tardy in pulling their finger out in releasing mirrorless they've now left themselves between a rock and a hard place. Bring out a new mount without making existing lenses fully compatible and you upset a lot of current users, and potentially lose more customers to Sony as there'll not be anywhere enough lenses to suit everyone's needs. Only Canikon will know what they're going to do, but as I said by waiting so long they've made it difficult.

That would be mega if Sony and Nikon did that, unfortunately I don't see that happening.


TBH I still prefer the view looking through OVF's, it's just so much nicer on the eye. A lot of the other features don't really interest me either, such as eye AF, peaking etc, for my shooting none of these are of any benefit. One feature that is useful (to me) is to see the cropped view in DX mode, and on the very odd occasion having the WYSIWYG in the EVF can be useful. The debate as to which is better will go on forever I feel, just like the Canon vs Nikon debate. What's odd is that a lot of EVF fanatics don't understand why some prefer OVFs ;)
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im with you in preferring OVF
 
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