The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

snerkler said:
Admittedly it looks better there ;) Dunno why the eye looks so soft in the smaller image :confused:
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Maybe it's because greater contrast can give increase perceived sharpness.. and the microphone head has a lot more contrast due to the nature of it's shiny and dark bits.
 
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woof woof said:
I think the kit lens is underrated, it's the best variable aperture standard range zoom I've had my hands on :D It's quite compact and light too and only the same size as the Panasonic 14-42mm kit lens I had with my G1.

Having said all that I've not used mine outside of testing it but I'm mostly a prime guy :D The Sony 35mm f2.8 is IMO a very good lens :D
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Woof, have you tried the Fuji 18-55 kit lens, which is highly regarded. If so, how does that compare with the Sony kit lens?
 
twist said:
Is it really bad? You tell me.

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Riz_Guru said:
:D pixel peeping innit
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No, it's just plain bad ;)
I don't get why people are glossing over this so much, yet when the D750 had the flare/shading issues (which were fixed and were probably less likely to show than this pin striping) it was headline news and everyone was deeming it another Nikon failure :p

Both are/were blown out of proportion though imo, it's just strange how 'we all' defend things differently (not that I defended Nikon over their issues ;))
 
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Diamonddec said:
Woof, have you tried the Fuji 18-55 kit lens, which is highly regarded. If so, how does that compare with the Sony kit lens?
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Nupe, never had the later Fuji's.

My comments based on the Panasonic, Canon and Nikon "kit" type lenses I've had and of those the Sony seems to be easily the best... hardly surprising though as it's the newest :D

It is a light and compact and very reasonable standard zoom, IMO.
 
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If you search on the other forum and search for the "a7x, a9 PDAF stripe noise technical analysis, part deux" thread.
Its very interesting but mind numbing chat about the stripe noise situation. :D
 
I think you need to see the whole picture and know what was done to it to decide if this is a serious issue for you.

I'm not saying that this is the case but in the past we've had issues that have only been issues in specific instances and when pushing the exposure +3 or +5 stops and cropping to 100%. If this is one of those in specific instances and when pushing the exposure to death and cropping like a mad thing issues it might not matter all that much.

Maybe time for careful research and thought but also for keeping a bit of perspective?
 
woof woof said:
I think you need to see the whole picture and know what was done to it to decide if this is a serious issue for you.

I'm not saying that this is the case but in the past we've had issues that have only been issues in specific instances and when pushing the exposure +3 or +5 stops and cropping to 100%. If this is one of those in specific instances and when pushing the exposure to death and cropping like a mad thing issues it might not matter all that much.

Maybe time for careful research and thought but also for keeping a bit of perspective?
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Correct.
 
JJ! said:
Damn so I’m going to get stripes all over my horses when doing indoor shots?! lol
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There is the potential, although I think it will be unlikely as the backlighting has to be pretty extreme. Could you see any on that other bloke's A9 pics?
 
I guarantee that the person who first spotted the strips on those original Sony press event photos is a big time pixel peeper.
It seem's its really come to the surface following the Sony A7 III announcement, what about the other previously released Sony bodies, why no big fuss back then?
 
woof woof said:
I think you need to see the whole picture and know what was done to it to decide if this is a serious issue for you.

I'm not saying that this is the case but in the past we've had issues that have only been issues in specific instances and when pushing the exposure +3 or +5 stops and cropping to 100%. If this is one of those in specific instances and when pushing the exposure to death and cropping like a mad thing issues it might not matter all that much.

Maybe time for careful research and thought but also for keeping a bit of perspective?
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Lets also provide some balance, most in this thread are quick to condemn the D750 and thats not nearly as bad, Nikon also dealt with the problem quickly and efficiently, Sony hasn't even said a single thing about this problem.

Youve seen the image and the crop, the exposure clearly hasn't been pushed and pulled. But hey its a Sony in a Sony thread.

Details: 85 mm, 1/125 sec, f/1.8, ISO 200, -0.7 EV
 
Riz_Guru said:
I guarantee that the person who first spotted the strips on those original Sony press event photos is a big time pixel peeper.
It seem's its really come to the surface following the Sony A7 III announcement, what about the other previously released Sony bodies, why no big fuss back then?
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Actually DPR spotted it in their hands on. The images are from their sample gallery.

From what I understand it does show up in other cameras incl the A9 (which I mentioned previously) but its worse due to A7iii sensor design.
 
twist said:
Lets also provide some balance, most in this thread are quick to condemn the D750 and thats not nearly as bad, Nikon also dealt with the problem quickly and efficiently, Sony hasn't even said a single thing about this problem.

Youve seen the image and the crop, the exposure clearly hasn't been pushed and pulled. But hey its a Sony in a Sony thread.

Details: 85 mm, 1/125 sec, f/1.8, ISO 200, -0.7 EV
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Naaaa we don't condemn the D750, just the DSLR's in general ;) lol
To be fair, I don't think the D750 should be condemned, its a really good body... perhaps some hate DSLR with such a passion that it gets the better of them.
It's good to keep a balanced view.
Nikon is Nikon, a great brand with history to back it up.
 
twist said:
Actually DPR spotted it in their hands on. The images are from their sample gallery.

From what I understand it does show up in other cameras incl the A9 (which I mentioned previously) but its worse due to A7iii sensor design.
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It's a shame, let see what real-world usage reveals......
 
twist said:
Lets also provide some balance, most in this thread are quick to condemn the D750 and thats not nearly as bad, Nikon also dealt with the problem quickly and efficiently, Sony hasn't even said a single thing about this problem.

Youve seen the image and the crop, the exposure clearly hasn't been pushed and pulled. But hey its a Sony in a Sony thread.

Details: 85 mm, 1/125 sec, f/1.8, ISO 200, -0.7 EV
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No I haven't.

Believe it or not I haven't read up all that much on the later A7x cameras as I only have a passing interest as I'm very probably keeping my A7. If I was more interested I'd read the threads and reviews and make an informed decision not run around waving my hands in the air shouting "We're all doomed."

The issue seems to be related to a know hardware effect and there are people who see it and equally there are well known respectable reviewers and bloggers who don't seem to be able to reproduce it.

Maybe it can be mitigated or hidden by some in camera or post processing trickery or a firmware fix or maybe we're stuck with it until a different way of focusing can be found.
 
woof woof said:
No I haven't.

Believe it or not I haven't read up all that much on the later A7x cameras as I only have a passing interest as I'm very probably keeping my A7. If I was more interested I'd read the threads and reviews and make an informed decision not run around waving my hands in the air shouting "We're all doomed."

The issue seems to be related to a know hardware effect and there are people who see it and equally there are well known respectable reviewers and bloggers who don't seem to be able to reproduce it.

Maybe it can be mitigated or hidden by some in camera or post processing trickery or a firmware fix or maybe we're stuck with it until a different way of focusing can be found.
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But you responded so you saw the images I posted on the previous page?
 
twist said:
But you responded so you saw the images I posted on the previous page?
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No, I just looked at the crop of the eyes on this page.

I'll go back and take a look...

PS.

I've just copied and pasted those two pictures into CS5.

The whole picture shows as 100% and cropping to the eyes like in the crop shows as 2500% so I can't tell anything from these. I'd need to see the raws and process the picture myself to decide if it's an issue for me.

Is there anywhere that a raw of the whole picture can be downloaded?
 
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Hopefully it does get dealt with, I know Ill be trying to reproduce it in my own scenarios. Wait and see.
 
Riz_Guru said:
Naaaa we don't condemn the D750, just the DSLR's in general ;) lol
To be fair, I don't think the D750 should be condemned, its a really good body... perhaps some hate DSLR with such a passion that it gets the better of them.
It's good to keep a balanced view.
Nikon is Nikon, a great brand with history to back it up.
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D750 is indeed superb, but sometimes a change is good. Maybe it might be the wrong decision (one of which I have not made yet) but we learn by our mistakes (or good moves!).
 
twist said:
How much more real world would you like it? Seems a pretty standard scenario to me.
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Has anybody recreated the issue on their own body?
Could it be the studio lights they used?
Could it be a faulty body/sensor?
Could it be some kind of electrical interference?
Could it be a software related conversion issue?
Could it be a rouge individual who has doctored the images?

:D lol
 
twist said:
Hopefully it does get dealt with, I know Ill be trying to reproduce it in my own scenarios. Wait and see.
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I look forward to the result...... hopefully it's just a faulty body which DPR had :)
 
Riz_Guru said:
Has anybody recreated the issue on their own body? Yes, its been replicated, so has the video phenomenon.
Could it be the studio lights they used? Cmon, really??!! Like they have special lights nobody has ever used!
Could it be a faulty body/sensor? No, its due to design
Could it be some kind of electrical interference? No, its due to design
Could it be a software related conversion issue? No, its due to design
Could it be a rouge individual who has doctored the images? No, its due to design

:D lol
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It must be the aliens.
 
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