The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

Riz_Guru said:
Sony has really opened up the doors for Nikon and Canon users to consider it as a viable replacement, the price point is really aggressive in terms of spec etc.
The Sony lenses can be expensive so its wise to price up the entire system if you are going to replace like for like and then see where you stand and if its worth the cost to change.
Sigma have announced FE mount Art lenses but they are pretty big.
Tamrom are starting to develop FE lenses with their first being the FE 28-75mm f2.8
Zeiss make the Batis range for the FE mount, they are great.
Samyang make FE lenses too.

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Thanks for the info Riz, it sounds like the industry is wising up to it too from what you've said!
 
Riz_Guru said:
It's not over priced when you compare it to the Nikon D5 and Canon 1DX Mark II though. :D
Yes if you compare UK prices with Grey, they are higher.
Everything seems overpriced these days, not just camera's :(
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Lets look at the numbers....

a D5 grey is £4000, UK is £5000 - 25%
a A9 grey is £4300, UK is £4500 - 45%
 
nandbytes said:
That's because price went up but they are not coming down now that GBP is nearly back to its former value
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Correct, I was lucky as my first big bundle of Sony gear was just before prices shot up, managed to get 2x Sony A7R II's for £1999 each and I think the prices shot up to £2999 the following months.... same with the lenses.
I got nearly if not all my money back when I sold it all on :D

We need the prices to come down :D although the Sony A9 has come down by by £200 and Sony are throwing in extended warranty and the battery block kit worth around £450ish. :)
 
Riz_Guru said:
Sony has really opened up the doors for Nikon and Canon users to consider it as a viable replacement, the price point is really aggressive in terms of spec etc.
The Sony lenses can be expensive so its wise to price up the entire system if you are going to replace like for like and then see where you stand and if its worth the cost to change.
Sigma have announced FE mount Art lenses but they are pretty big.
Tamrom are starting to develop FE lenses with their first being the FE 28-75mm f2.8
Zeiss make the Batis range for the FE mount, they are great.
Samyang make FE lenses too.

:D
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My mate (devoted Nikon shooter) ordered an a7iii last night.
 
Riz_Guru said:
Correct, I was lucky as my first big bundle of Sony gear was just before prices shot up, managed to get 2x Sony A7R II's for £1999 each and I think the prices shot up to £2999 the following months.... same with the lenses.
I got nearly if not all my money back when I sold it all on :D

We need the prices to come down :D although the Sony A9 has come down by by £200 and Sony are throwing in extended warranty and the battery block kit worth around £450ish. :)
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They were throwing in the warranty freebies even before the price hike
 
nandbytes said:
They were throwing in the warranty freebies even before the price hike
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There has been no price hike on the Sony A9, its dropped in price since release... it was £4499 and now its £4299. :) shame that can't be said for the rest of the range! lol.
I could be had for £3899 yesterday, so it goes to show that their is some margin in the Sony A9.
 
Swiss Toni said:
Patience is a virtue, wait until the grey market get hold of the A7III, and remember the less you pay for it the less you will lose when you want to upgrade to the next new Sony model in six months time! ;)
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The HK price for it is £1650+ converted from USD, add a little profit and postage and you're near the £1700 Wilkinson deal, except you have a grey without the Sony 4 year UK warranty.
 
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Riz_Guru said:
There has been no price hike on the Sony A9, its dropped in price since release... it was £4499 and now its £4299. :) shame that can't be said for the rest of the range! lol.
I could be had for £3899 yesterday, so it goes to show that their is some margin in the Sony A9.
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There was no price hike since it was released after Brexit vote. And value of GBP hadn't recovered yet at the time so it was released at a higher price. It was $4500 in US and £4500 where as A7RII was released at £2500 and $3200 in US. That says it all.

Which ever way you put it, it's only fair they reduce the price now since reason for hike was devaluation of GBP which is not a reason anymore
 
nandbytes said:
There was no price hike since it was released after Brexit vote. And value of GBP hadn't recovered yet at the time so it was released at a higher price. It was $4500 in US and £4500 where as A7RII was released at £2500 and $3200 in US. That says it all.

Which ever way you put it, it's only fair they reduce the price now since reason for hike was devaluation of GBP which is not a reason anymore
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I agree but reducing prices by a significant amount isn't going to happen anytime soon, I think Sony and other companies will milk the whole brexit cash cow to death! :(
 
twist said:
This! Now that Tamron and Sigma are on board its going to shake things up.
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Sigma have also confirmed they are going to make some real FE designed lenses and not the hash up which they have currently done! It's still progress though.
The Tamrom FE 28-75mm f2.8 is going to be a hot seller for them if the IQ is on par vs price. :)
 
twist said:
The HK price for it is £1650+ converted from USD, add a little profit and postage and you're near the £1700 Wilkinson deal, except you have a grey without the Sony 4 year UK warranty.
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It sounds like there will be an A7III in the Twist household soon! lol
 
Swiss Toni said:
It sounds like there will be an A7III in the Twist household soon! lol
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Shhh don't tell Jonney. If its crap Ill be forced to buy another DSLR. So far looks alright except for the stripes, Ill be testing for that and sending back if its an issue, do like backlight.
 
twist said:
Shhh don't tell Jonney. If its crap Ill be forced to buy another DSLR. So far looks alright except for the stripes, Ill be testing for that and sending back if its an issue, do like backlight.
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Use mechanical shutter with backlight if possible?
 
twist said:
Shhh don't tell Jonney. If its crap Ill be forced to buy another DSLR. So far looks alright except for the stripes, Ill be testing for that and sending back if its an issue, do like backlight.
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Also make sure you have turned on the Anti-Flicker in the menu, this should mitigate banding by automatically adjusting the shutter speed to match the lighting frequency.
 
twist said:
Id always go prime.
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Me too! Plus it makes for a nice small walk about set up ! Just waiting for WEX to get back to me and my lenses might for off! Will be keeping D750 and 70-200 until they get stock anyway.
 
JJ! said:
Kit lens adds £200 so not sure if budget can go that far! It’s either kit lens or the 35mm!
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I think the kit lens is underrated, it's the best variable aperture standard range zoom I've had my hands on :D It's quite compact and light too and only the same size as the Panasonic 14-42mm kit lens I had with my G1.

Having said all that I've not used mine outside of testing it but I'm mostly a prime guy :D The Sony 35mm f2.8 is IMO a very good lens :D
 
twist said:
It shows up in both MS and ES, its the PDAF pixels. Its not banding.
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I have extensively read about this issue over on DPReview and it seems a non-issue for most.
Other mirrorless systems can have the same issue.
Is it really bad?
 
dancook said:
After much deliberation last night, I took the 24-70 zoom - I guess there's no real decision, it offers versatility with limited movement - ISO3200 here is not high nowadays.. and I didn't want to have to look after too much gear, have it banging around
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So how are you finding the Sony A9's abilities including DR/ISO?
Any negative points? :)
 
The rumor site includes a link to DPR A7III studio scene.

Here's a direct link to DPR...

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-a7-iii-first-impressions-review

What they say...

"We'll be writing up our analysis of the a7 III's image quality (and any potential problems) in the coming days, once we've done a little more testing and real-world shooting.

In the meantime, our studio scene suggests* that, if the a7 III has an anti aliasing filter, it's extremely weak, designed to only filter excessively high frequency detail in the horizontal axis. It'll be interesting to see what effect this has in the real world."
 
dancook said:
After much deliberation last night, I took the 24-70 zoom - I guess there's no real decision, it offers versatility with limited movement - ISO3200 here is not high nowadays.. and I didn't want to have to look after too much gear, have it banging around

Rebecca Jayne by dancook1982, on Flickr
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It's a nice shot but it seems to have missed focus, the eye's not sharp and the microphone looks sharper (although not 'tack' sharp)
 
woof woof said:
The rumor site includes a link to DPR A7III studio scene.

Here's a direct link to DPR...

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-a7-iii-first-impressions-review

What they say...

"We'll be writing up our analysis of the a7 III's image quality (and any potential problems) in the coming days, once we've done a little more testing and real-world shooting.

In the meantime, our studio scene suggests* that, if the a7 III has an anti aliasing filter, it's extremely weak, designed to only filter excessively high frequency detail in the horizontal axis. It'll be interesting to see what effect this has in the real world."
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Looks sharp but the DPR tests are very dependent on the lenses they use for testing too. Kind of makes it pointless unless they tested with similar lenses.
 
Riz_Guru said:
Sigma have also confirmed they are going to make some real FE designed lenses and not the hash up which they have currently done! It's still progress though.
The Tamrom FE 28-75mm f2.8 is going to be a hot seller for them if the IQ is on par vs price. :)
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It's a shame they decided to go 28mm, I would have preferred 24-70mm as 28mm's not wide enough for me for a general purpose lens.

nandbytes said:
Use mechanical shutter with backlight if possible?
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Nothing to do with the shutter as twist says.

Riz_Guru said:
Also make sure you have turned on the Anti-Flicker in the menu, this should mitigate banding by automatically adjusting the shutter speed to match the lighting frequency.
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It's not banding he's referring to ;)

Riz_Guru said:
I have extensively read about this issue over on DPReview and it seems a non-issue for most.
Other mirrorless systems can have the same issue.
Is it really bad?
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I'm sure it is a non issue for most, but twist says he likes to do a lot of backlit stuff so maybe an issue for him (y).
 
woof woof said:
I think the kit lens is underrated, it's the best variable aperture standard range zoom I've had my hands on :D It's quite compact and light too and only the same size as the Panasonic 14-42mm kit lens I had with my G1.

Having said all that I've not used mine outside of testing it but I'm mostly a prime guy :D The Sony 35mm f2.8 is IMO a very good lens :D
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Sony 35mm looks good but from feedback the Samyang is meant to be as good, but will have a look at both options!
 
Scrap that - just seen price of Sony 35mm lol
 
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