The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

Mike.P said:
So in the real world how does the A9 get on with Canon mount Sigma lenses using the Sigma adapter?

I have a Canon mount Sigma 150-600mm sport and although I could run to a Sony 100-400mm G I wonder how the sport would perform af speed wise.
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Adapted won't be near native. Long lenses especially.
 
Riz_Guru said:
I thought it was 1/15th for the Sony A7R III / A7 III and 1/160th for the Sony A9.
If you want the best usable silent shutter, the Sony A9 has it.
One day camera’s won’t even have a mechanical shutter due to their limitations.
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Pretty sure it's around 1/30 plus as Dan said.
 
Raymond Lin said:
Canon is at a cross road, I am sure their R&D is doing crazy overtime to try and come up with something, but this something must be some magic camera because you can see anything too different the accountant will be fighting against it. The hardcore Canon old school users don't want it.
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Do they though? It's entirely possible they can keep milking their current ranges for many more years because at the end of the day even their worst is still a good camera.
 
twist said:
Pretty sure it's around 1/30 plus as Dan said.
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From dpreview.....

“What the a7 III's sensor doesn't have is the fast readout speed found on the a9's 'stacked CMOS' sensor, which can scan the full sensor in about 1/160 sec. In contrast, the a7 III's electronic shutter takes about 1/18th of a second, which is much slower. This means that while the a7 III can shoot silently using electronic shutter, moving objects may show some distortion due to the effects of rolling shutter. You can also expect more banding when using the silent shutter under certain types of artificial light at higher shutter speeds. Shooting JPEG only or 12-bit compressed Raw mitigates the issue though, thanks to roughly 2x faster readout speed.”
 
stevelmx5 said:
I’m heading back from the Photography Show now. Kept my wallet in my pocket but the A7iii is seriously impressive. I was shooting continuous with the silent shutter and the only hint of any blackout was a split second between images. I also used the A9 alongside it and the AF is definitely on par and anyone that says the blackout-free EVF on the A9 is a defining feature and justifies the cost may be seriously surprised. Personally, the tiny amount of flicker (rather than blackout) on the 7iii is short enough to not even really register. Definitely impressed and will be watching the prices over the next few weeks. I also shot the Samyang 35/2.8 on an A7Riii (my friends’ I was with) and the AF was also excellent. I see why people choose it over the Sony equivalent and it was up for £225 today.
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Any sign of Rookies ?:giggle:
 
JJ! said:
Never used mirrorless - what is the difference between electronic and mechanical shutter?

Does mechanical still do 10fps?
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Electronic is absolutely silent
Mechanical is not

A9 E/M fps 20/5
A7III E/M fps 10/10

Electronic shutter can exhibit banding in artificial lighting and rolling shutter with movement, also you cannot fire flash.

HOWEVER, the A9 has tackled the issues of banding and rolling shutter, so that it's far more usable for action and artificial lighting. To the point of me being confident to use it for all my professional work.

Up to now eshutter has been great for static subjects when silence is ideal, such as wedding ceremonies.
 
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JJ! said:
Never used mirrorless - what is the difference between electronic and mechanical shutter?

Does mechanical still do 10fps?
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Correct, if you want the most usable body which offers silent shooting and to take photos with movement/motion, the Sony A9 is it.
 
Riz_Guru said:
From dpreview.....

“What the a7 III's sensor doesn't have is the fast readout speed found on the a9's 'stacked CMOS' sensor, which can scan the full sensor in about 1/160 sec. In contrast, the a7 III's electronic shutter takes about 1/18th of a second, which is much slower. This means that while the a7 III can shoot silently using electronic shutter, moving objects may show some distortion due to the effects of rolling shutter. You can also expect more banding when using the silent shutter under certain types of artificial light at higher shutter speeds. Shooting JPEG only or 12-bit compressed Raw mitigates the issue though, thanks to roughly 2x faster readout speed.”
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News to me, was rumoured at 1/30
 
stevelmx5 said:
The stupid thing was that CameraWorld and LCE were opposite each other and both had them at £1599. Round the corner at WEX, they were selling a used body for the same price! Funnily enough, the used one was still there as I left :0)
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Did Wex have any A7iii’s or just empty boxes :rolleyes::D
 
twist said:
News to me, was rumoured at 1/30
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They could have made a mistake, regardless, the Sony A9 is the better option for silent shooting and high frame rates.
AF/AE is calculated 60 times a second at 20fps, that’s some super fast DRAM throughout! :D
 
Riz_Guru said:
Correct, if you want the most usable body which offers silent shooting and to take photos with movement/motion, the Sony A9 is it.
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3k grey at the moment. Maybe keep the D750 until they come down a bit more or I save a bit more!
 
JJ! said:
3k grey at the moment. Maybe keep the D750 until they come down a bit more or I save a bit more!
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Could be a option if you want the very best Sony currently offer for speed & silence :D at a price though!
 
I can't remember if I mentioned it before..

I know some people think silence is overrated, I believe there's an argument for silent cameras for more frequently allowing for natural photos. Or at least not killing my creativity with concern for others...

However where it really excels is when combined with continuous shooting, I can shoot in someone's face at 5/10/20 fps - that person is not going to be disturbed by the sound of the shutter rattling off - and later I can pick the very best moment.
 
dancook said:
I can't remember if I mentioned it before..

I know some people think silence is overrated, I believe there's an argument for silent cameras for more frequently allowing for natural photos. Or at least not killing my creativity with concern for others...

However where it really excels is when combined with continuous shooting, I can shoot in someone's face at 5/10/20 fps - that person is not going to be disturbed by the sound of the shutter rattling off - and later I can pick the very best moment.
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People are going to see the thing wether it's silent or not if you point it at them.

At 10fps by the time they'e noticed you'e got like 50 shots.

Seriously though, id hate to cull 20k shots after a couple days. Can't think of much worse ways to spend time.
 
Guess I don’t! I find myself with way too many shots with 6.5fps lol.

Anyone I’m sticking with D750 for now. Maybe grey prices might sway me but looking at digital rev prices it’s not a good start!

Silent shutter however is quite helpful when taking pics of dressage like the weekend. You could here me clicking away in the background lol
 
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twist said:
People are going to see the thing wether it's silent or not if you point it at them.

At 10fps by the time they'e noticed you'e got like 50 shots.

Seriously though, id hate to cull 20k shots after a couple days. Can't think of much worse ways to spend time.
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^^ This

I know Dan’s A9’s are this weeks’ new toys but the idea of having 20k images after 9 days is depressing to me. I get that it’s like shooting fish in a barrel with 20fps ‘candids’ but what happened to creativity and actually watching for key moments instead of shooting anything that moves (or doesn’t) then spending hours in front of a monitor?
 
twist said:
People are going to see the thing wether it's silent or not if you point it at them.

At 10fps by the time they'e noticed you'e got like 50 shots.

Seriously though, id hate to cull 20k shots after a couple days. Can't think of much worse ways to spend time.
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I don't need to bring the camera up to my eye with the flip screen, so I'm easily ignored.

I'm shooting people engrossed in conversation or performing - their attention is usually elsewhere.

Processing doesn't take much longer, because you know you're only looking for the one shot in each batch.
 
I would still bursts, but the problem is "burst" with a 5D4 get me 3 shots. A burst with the A9 I ended up with about 10-12 shots.

Without changing the technique I am going to need a lot more cards.
 
nandbytes said:
More the reason to just keep it for now then.

So you switching to Fuji or not? :D
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Not for the moment. Although their mechanical shutter in the xh1 is near silent and it’s a lovely thing to use.
Have a couple of shoots this month so can do without having to sell and buy a load of gear in a rush.
 
dancook said:
I don't need to bring the camera up to my eye with the flip screen, so I'm easily ignored.

I'm shooting people engrossed in conversation or performing - their attention is usually elsewhere.

Processing doesn't take much longer, because you know you're only looking for the one shot in each batch.
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If they are so engrossed would they notice a fairly quiet shutter at your hip?

But you're reviewing a lot more shots, still have to create previews, then review for the shot, cull.... or just load your drives up with 99% of the same sequence.
 
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twist said:
If they are so engrossed would they notice a fairly quiet shutter at your hip?

But you're reviewing a lot more shots, still have to create previews, then review for the shot, cull.... or just load your drives up with 99% of the same sequence.
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I just cull on the body quickly.
Once I go down the iPad Pro route it’s just a simple swipe and delete/tick to delete or keep. :)
Better to have more fire power than less, I can always use the dedicated drive dial to select drive speeds ;)
 
Riz_Guru said:
I just cull on the body quickly.
Once I go down the iPad Pro route it’s just a simple swipe and delete/tick to delete or keep. :)
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..... but still a lot of shots to go through.... which means it's still a lot of time. Where would you find time in a shoot to review and cull on camera after 20fps bursts?
 
Doesn't have to be 20fps, I only use 20fps if I know something is going to happen which will benefit from it - which hasn't come up for people shots yet.... mostly shooting 5fps.

only used 20fps for birds/dog and pub testing :)

I'm shooting a rehearsal for a play I've never heard of, it's extremely chaotic - things happening all over the stage simultaneously. A girl is grabbed and pushed and she throws a bunch of plates into the air as she falls - the AF instantly locks onto her and I grab 5-10 shots and one of them is a winner.

There's a short chaotic scene of dancing all over the stage followed by them diving to the floor as a pair of 'police officers' enter view at the side... shutter burst gave me a great usable shot of them diving with the police in the background

Compositions and creativity were not compromised..
 
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dancook said:
Doesn't have to be 20fps, I only use 20fps if I know something is going to happen which will benefit from it - which hasn't come up for people shots yet.... mostly shooting 5fps.

I'm shooting a rehearsal for a play I've never heard of, it's extremely chaotic - things happening all over the stage simultaneously. A girl is grabbed and pushed and she throws a bunch of plates into the air as she falls - the AF instantly locks onto her and I grab 5-10 shots and one of them is a winner.

There's a short chaotic scene of dancing all over the stage followed by them diving to the floor as a pair of 'police officers' enter view at the side... shutter burst gave me a great usable shot of them diving with the police in the backgrodund

Compositions and creativity were not compromised..
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A9 users (not you) bang on about 20fps....

All im saying is culling 20fps can't be fun, not that it's useless... of course I understand the advantages in select scenarios.
 
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