The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

Raymond Lin said:
Just notice that with the MC-11, you get all the focusing (points) selection with Sigma lenses, but not with Canon lenses.

Is the Metabone the same?
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I'd heard the Metabones adapter is better than the Sigma but at the price I didn't care.

I can't recall where I read it but someone said the Sigma adapter is intended to be used with Sigma lenses more so than anything EF so you get some unpredictable behaviour in those situations.
 
JJ! said:
Met a A9 equestrian photographer today using 70-200 G. He is buying the A7iii as a 2nd camera. Was a pretty good chat!

Was good to chat and get opinions from someone in my field!
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Purely on cost, or was there another reason of him choosing the A7iii over a second A9?
 
I’m waiting on my a7 mk iii arriving and am veering towards the Metabones adapter over the MC-11
 
rookies said:
What sigma lens have you tried on it so far. I might get one with a sigma 100-600 C Lens if I find I want to do wildlife again
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20 and 50 Art

I’ve went through all my Canon lenses, the one lens that’s just unusable is the 100/2.8L. This takes ages to “register”, sometimes it focuses, sometimes it hunts, and even when it focuses, it’s slower than with the 5D4. Sometimes it works with the IS on, sometimes it doesn’t. Weird. It’s not a big deal because I only use this for it’s macro ability which is manual focus but every other lens works fine. However with sigma lenses I am getting to use all the focusing points options from wide centre etc etc, you get less with Canon glass but the most important thing is I get to use focus point select which is what I use 99% of the time.
 
simonbarker said:
I'd heard the Metabones adapter is better than the Sigma but at the price I didn't care.

I can't recall where I read it but someone said the Sigma adapter is intended to be used with Sigma lenses more so than anything EF so you get some unpredictable behaviour in those situations.
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It’s more than half the price, the metabone V is £400 whereas the MC-11 I paid £89. I did update the MC-11’s firmware last night too so in theory it could improve but I doubt it since why would it make Canon lenses work better?
 
snerkler said:
Purely on cost, or was there another reason of him choosing the A7iii over a second A9?
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Cost one factor and he thinks the A7iii will be good enough. Sent me a link to his galleries etc so all been quite helpful.
 
JJ! said:
Cost one factor and he thinks the A7iii will be good enough. Sent me a link to his galleries etc so all been quite helpful.
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Care to share?
 
I guess another visit to Park ?
 
Raymond Lin said:
Just notice that with the MC-11, you get all the focusing (points) selection with Sigma lenses, but not with Canon lenses.

Is the Metabone the same?
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MC-11 does two things:
- With supported sigma lenses you basically get full native emulation i.e. camera will see the lens as a native lens. So this includes hybrid AF and all focussing modes.
- With "unsupported lens" lenses you basically get the same utility as Sony provides with LA-EA3 adapter for a-mount. This is basically only PDAF (i.e. not hybrid AF) and only basic AF-S and AF-C modes. I hear with latest m3 bodies and A9 you also get eye-AF but previously you didn't get this also.

Metabones adapter on the other hand has two modes:
- Green mode: This basically behaves like LA-EA3 adapter sony provides for a-mount. So this is basically only PDAF (i.e. not hybrid AF) and only basic AF-S and AF-C modes. With latest A7RIII, A7III and A9 bodies you also get eye-AF but previously you didn't get this also.
- Advanced mode: The is basically metabones attempt at native emulation so your camera will see the lens as a native lens and hence all AF features inc. hybrid AF is available. But in this mode the AF is bit hit and miss and performance depends heavily on which lens you use.

TL;DR: For supported Sigma lenses get MC-11, for everything else get metabones.
 
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nandbytes said:
MC-11 does two things:
- With supported sigma lenses you basically get full native emulation i.e. camera will see the lens as a native lens. So this includes hybrid AF and all focussing modes.
- With "unsupported lens" lenses you basically get the same utility as Sony provides with LA-EA3 adapter for a-mount. This is basically on PDAF (i.e. not hybrid AF) and only basic AF-S and AF-C modes. I hear with latest m3 bodies and A9 you also get eye-AF but previously you didn't get this also.

Metabones adapter on the other hand has two modes:
- Green mode: This basically behaves like LA-EA3 adapter sony provides for a-mount. So this is basically on PDAF (i.e. not hybrid AF) and only basic AF-S and AF-C modes. With latest A7RIII, A7III and A9 bodies you also get eye-AF but previously you didn't get this also.
- Advanced mode: The is basically metabones attempt at native emulation so your camera will see the lens as a native lens and hence all AF features inc. hybrid AF is available. But in this mode the AF is bit hit and miss and performance depends heavily on which lens you use.

TL;DR: For supported Sigma lenses get MC-11, for everything else get metabones.
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I can get Eye-AF with the Canon lenses through MC-11. I just get more modes with the Sigma lenses.
 
Raymond Lin said:
I can get Eye-AF with the Canon lenses through MC-11. I just get more modes with the Sigma lenses.
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yes with latest mk3 bodies and A9 you get eye-AF also, but with previous bodies you didn't get that either.
I am still shooting with A7RII, so no eye-AF for me :(
 
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nandbytes said:
MC-11 does two things:
- With supported sigma lenses you basically get full native emulation i.e. camera will see the lens as a native lens. So this includes hybrid AF and all focussing modes.
- With "unsupported lens" lenses you basically get the same utility as Sony provides with LA-EA3 adapter for a-mount. This is basically on PDAF (i.e. not hybrid AF) and only basic AF-S and AF-C modes. I hear with latest m3 bodies and A9 you also get eye-AF but previously you didn't get this also.

Metabones adapter on the other hand has two modes:
- Green mode: This basically behaves like LA-EA3 adapter sony provides for a-mount. So this is basically PDAF (i.e. not hybrid AF) and only basic AF-S and AF-C modes. With latest A7RIII, A7III and A9 bodies you also get eye-AF but previously you didn't get this also.
- Advanced mode: The is basically metabones attempt at native emulation so your camera will see the lens as a native lens and hence all AF features inc. hybrid AF is available. But in this mode the AF is bit hit and miss and performance depends heavily on which lens you use.

TL;DR: For supported Sigma lenses get MC-11, for everything else get metabones.
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Thanks. I'll be using mainly Canon L series lenses so will plump for the Metabones.
 
nandbytes said:
MC-11 does two things:
- With supported sigma lenses you basically get full native emulation i.e. camera will see the lens as a native lens. So this includes hybrid AF and all focussing modes.
- With "unsupported lens" lenses you basically get the same utility as Sony provides with LA-EA3 adapter for a-mount. This is basically only PDAF (i.e. not hybrid AF) and only basic AF-S and AF-C modes. I hear with latest m3 bodies and A9 you also get eye-AF but previously you didn't get this also.

Metabones adapter on the other hand has two modes:
- Green mode: This basically behaves like LA-EA3 adapter sony provides for a-mount. So this is basically only PDAF (i.e. not hybrid AF) and only basic AF-S and AF-C modes. With latest A7RIII, A7III and A9 bodies you also get eye-AF but previously you didn't get this also.
- Advanced mode: The is basically metabones attempt at native emulation so your camera will see the lens as a native lens and hence all AF features inc. hybrid AF is available. But in this mode the AF is bit hit and miss and performance depends heavily on which lens you use.

TL;DR: For supported Sigma lenses get MC-11, for everything else get metabones.
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With the MC-11 when you say unsupported lenses do you mean some sigma aren’t supported, or by unsupported are you referring to using Canon lenses?
 
snerkler said:
With the MC-11 when you say unsupported lenses do you mean some sigma aren’t supported, or by unsupported are you referring to using Canon lenses?
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by unsupported I mean basically any EF lens (this includes all first party and third party lenses) that is not on the supported list.

Also forgot to mention... mc-11 only works with EF lenses and not EF-S lenses. Metabones works with both EF and EF-S lenses :)
 
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nandbytes said:
I have one for sale in the sales section of this forum if you are interested :)
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Despite being a member of the forum for a few years I lapsed for a bit and am a few posts short of being able to view the sales section at this time.
 
snerkler said:
Care to share?
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http://www.pdg-photography.co.uk/pa...n-club-2018/dressage-17.03.18.php?gall_id=510

This is the link to the low res shots and they are very low res I think. These were with the A9 + 70-200 G master. The first page is all of my Wife and Brendan.

My D750 pics of exactly same venue from different view are in the D750 thread.

https://www.talkphotography.co.uk/threads/nikon-d750.557831/page-837

It’s quite hard to to a direct comparison when the ones on the website are low res and as soon as you make them bigger then go to [PLEASE DON'T TRY TO BYPASS THE SWEAR FILTER].
 
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nandbytes said:
yes with latest mk3 bodies and A9 you get eye-AF also, but with previous bodies you didn't get that either.
I am still shooting with A7RII, so no eye-AF for me :(
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I think the question is how much better the Metabones are in real world use. Jason Lanier did a few of these videos but all his subjects and very static, well lit so different to what i do.
 
JJ! said:
http://www.pdg-photography.co.uk/pa...n-club-2018/dressage-17.03.18.php?gall_id=510

This is the link to the low res shots and they are very low res I think. These were with the A9 + 70-200 G master. The first page is all of my Wife and Brendan.

My D750 pics of exactly same venue from different view are in the D750 thread.

https://www.talkphotography.co.uk/threads/nikon-d750.557831/page-837

It’s quite hard to to a direct comparison when the ones on the website are low res and as soon as you make them bigger then go to f***.
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Difficult to tell viewing on the iPhone, but my initial impression is that I prefer yours
 
Raymond Lin said:
I think the question is how much better the Metabones are in real world use. Jason Lanier did a few of these videos but all his subjects and very static, well lit so different to what i do.
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Its generally better for canon lenses and also some sigma lenses that don't perform particularly well on mc-11 (mainly zooms, most supported sigma primes play nicely with MC-11). But if your set of sigma and canon lenses are working well with mc-11 then there is no real need to buy metabones until you happen to come across a lens that's particularly better with metabones. My opinion anyways.... I am sure you will find people who will claim metabones is faster and better than MC-11 but having owned and used both I didn't notice any real world difference.
 
snerkler said:
Difficult to tell viewing on the iPhone, but my initial impression is that I prefer yours
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Yes I prefer his too as they are more close up and i think it the processing I like too..

The other guys they seem bit too far away and prob not process as good. But as you say Low Res image too doesn't help
 
snerkler said:
Difficult to tell viewing on the iPhone, but my initial impression is that I prefer yours
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He also had a better position than me. Hard to explain but the light in that school is different from one end to the other.

I was at side, he was inside the arena itself facing up towards the best light.

I was sometimes pushing 10,000 iso but mainly 7500. Not sure on his settings though.
 
JJ! said:
He also had a better position than me. Hard to explain but the light in that school is different from one end to the other.

I was at side, he was inside the arena itself facing up towards the best light.

I was sometimes pushing 10,000 iso but mainly 7500. Not sure on his settings though.
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Why didnt he zoom in as much s you did.. that what I like about yours
 
nandbytes said:
by unsupported I mean basically any EF lens (this includes all first party and third party lenses) that is not on the supported list.

Also forgot to mention... mc-11 only works with EF lenses and not EF-S lenses. Metabones works with both EF and EF-S lenses :)
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Might be a daft question with this Sigma adaptor for the sony camera can it take Any sigma fit like canon and nikon
 
rookies said:
Why didnt he zoom in as much s you did.. that what I like about yours
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I think maybe he just uploaded straight from camera as the files went up pretty quick. I won’t usually upload anything before cropping and processing.

I find that at shows most photographers don’t do anything. Upload and sell. A lot of it is because they sell them on site.

Of course you can buy them and crop them yourself but one of the businesses that cover a lot of events my way charge £25 for 1 high res jpeg or £60 for copyright free version!!
 
JJ! said:
I think maybe he just uploaded straight from camera as the files went up pretty quick. I won’t usually upload anything before cropping and processing.

I find that at shows most photographers don’t do anything. Upload and sell. A lot of it is because they sell them on site.

Of course you can buy them and crop them yourself but one of the businesses that cover a lot of events my way charge £25 for 1 high res jpeg or £60 for copyright free version!!
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Ah with you there pal.. Hmm interesting..

How much crop did you do on yours?
 
rookies said:
Ah with you there pal.. Hmm interesting..

How much crop did you do on yours?
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Not much really. Some of them didn’t need anyway. Nothing cropped drastically though!
 
I mean it’s hard to tell but I don’t think his A9 did anything spectacular compared to the D750. But the light in that place is do bad I think most cameras struggle a bit.
 
jonneymendoza said:
I tried the d850. What a brick!
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It was BIG, it makes the 5D4 like a DSLR on a diet.

I am looking at the Sony now and think….how do they make it so small…it's smaller than the X-T1. The amount of tech in it is amazing in this Sony. I can't wait to try out the Eye-AF.

But it seems all the lenses work as they should, except the 100L. Not sure how the metabones will work with that but MC-11 is certainly a no go for AF purposes. When it works, its okay, but half the time it doesn't. Turning on or off the IS can make the whole lens unresponsive. I keep having to check whether i left the lens in Manual focus or not when it isn't responding. Ah well, you can't win them all.

There is also a weird thing, when mounting a lens onto the Sony, not sure what signal it sends to the lens because it turns all lenses' aperture ring to close up. Whereas when you mount a lens on a Canon, it opens it wide when you take it off.
 
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