The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

jonneymendoza said:
Lol come on. Who has had any camera. Nevermind a Sony a7 fail because of dust pollution or pollen!
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I didn't say a camera would fail because of this, just pointing out to rookies that sealing takes into account everything. Whilst dust etc might not 'break' a camera, it's a real PITA to clean inside ;)
 
rookies said:
This coming from the man who doesn’t lol [emoji13]
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Not too much tbh ;) I look into something, work out whether it's something I want to do/can afford and then move on (y)
 
snerkler said:
Yes

TBH the EM1 gives me more confidence than my A77 and A77-II

It's not just rain, it's dust, pollen etc etc.
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I have had my A77ii drenched in rain, used in sand and sea water with no issues.

Also like jonney mentioned, have you even seen any camera/lens die because of dust and pollen. Camera don't get hay fever :p


snerkler said:
It can happen on all A7's and the A9, it's the masked on sensor PDAF :(
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Proof of it happening please?
I have tried to reproduce it on my A7 and A7RII and failed. Was easily reproducible on my A6000
 
nandbytes said:
I have had my A77ii drenched in rain, used in sand and sea water with no issues.

Also like jonney mentioned, have you even seen any camera/lens die because of dust and pollen. Camera don't get hay fever :p




Proof of it happening please?
I have tried to reproduce it on my A7 and A7RII and failed. Was easily reproducible on my A6000
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Weird that I never noticed it at all on my A6000 yet from the articles shared here and your comments it’s as if it happened on every shot? If it’s there but only evident when viewing specular highlights at 200%, that could explain why I never saw it.
 
stevelmx5 said:
Weird that I never noticed it at all on my A6000 yet from the articles shared here and your comments it’s as if it happened on every shot? If it’s there but only evident when viewing specular highlights at 200%, that could explain why I never saw it.
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No sir, I never implied that. I simply said it's possible to reproduce it on my A6000. But I will also mention not a single shot of mine had been ruined by this issue...
 
nandbytes said:
No sir, I never implied that. I simply said it's possible to reproduce it on my A6000. But I will also mention not a single shot of mine had been ruined by this issue...
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You said it’s easily reproducible on your A6000. Have you got any examples? I’m wondering if I did actually get it but just never noticed?
 
stevelmx5 said:
You said it’s easily reproducible on your A6000. Have you got any examples? I’m wondering if I did actually get it but just never noticed?
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Don’t go looking take my advice
 
stevelmx5 said:
You said it’s easily reproducible on your A6000. Have you got any examples? I’m wondering if I did actually get it but just never noticed?
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Erm not on me... I don't keep track of such images. I'll try to dig one up tonight when I get home.

P.s. easily reproducible does not mean it easily shows up every other shot. Just means if you know the right conditions and steps you can reproduce it yourself at home. But that's hardly the way most photographers would shoot...
 
addicknchips said:
i think the point may have been if you haven't run into the problem, why go looking for it or trying to replicate it. surely nothing good can come of that.
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That was my point too :0)

This seems to have suddenly appeared on DPR as an issue with the A7iii yet Nandbytes and Rookies are also now stating that it’s a major issue (or at least easily reproducible) on the A6000 but I’ve never seen it mentioned before or ever saw it myself on the thousands of images I took with my A6000 across multiple situations including dark dance floors with bright lights etc
 
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I don't think it's a major issue otherwise Sony would have investigated it further and looked into resolving it on bodies post A6000.
It's probably just down to the fact that its part of the sensor design.
If you look at the DPR thread/posts, they seem to be going very deep in the technicalities of the sensor array, will paying customers look at their photos at this level?
 
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stevelmx5 said:
That was my point too :0)

This seems to have suddenly appeared on DPR as an issue with the A7iii yet Nandbytes and Rookies are also now stating that it’s a major issue (or at least easily reproducible) on the A6000 but I’ve never seen it mentioned before or ever saw it myself on the thousands of images I took with my A6000 across multiple situations including dark dance floors with bright lights etc
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Oh it's been mentioned before... Just Google A6000 banding, I'd be surprised if you don't get at least a couple reports.

I also didn't say it's a major issue. It's as major an issue as the whole silly RAW artefacts non-issue.
 
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I didn’t say it a major issue just it put me off buying a a7iii
 
nandbytes said:
Oh it's been mentioned before... Just Google A6000 banding, I'd be surprised if you don't get at least a couple reports.

I also didn't say it's a major issue. It's as major an issue as the whole silly RAW artefacts non-issue.
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You’re right, if I go looking for the issue specifically, there are threads around. The examples people have shared show similar banding in highlights or very dark areas when pushed which suggests dynamic range. However, I’ve still never seen it on mine so maybe I’ve been lucky or just not looked at a high enough magnification.
 
rookies said:
That 2 days ago I only learnt this issue last night
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What I’m getting at is it looks like the latest internet angst aimed at Sony. Yes, the few example images show some hairlines at extreme magnification so it would be good to understand why. It appears to be areas of higher dynamic range.

The important question is, would anyone really have noticed or scrapped their images if it wasn’t posted on DPR and is it enough to write off the entire camera?
 
nandbytes said:
I have had my A77ii drenched in rain, used in sand and sea water with no issues.

Also like jonney mentioned, have you even seen any camera/lens die because of dust and pollen. Camera don't get hay fever :p
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Already explained my comment about dust :p Try taking an A77 to Brisca F1 Stock Cars and then you know about dust getting in ;)




Proof of it happening please?
I have tried to reproduce it on my A7 and A7RII and failed. Was easily reproducible on my A6000
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Few articles on google (y)
 
Pick on rookies day :D
 
twist said:
Look harder
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Or just don't bother.

There have been a number of issues like this and not just with Sony. If an issue only occurs in specific circumstances and even then may only be visible now and again and possibly only detected when hunting for it maybe the question should be "Am I bovvered."
 
stevelmx5 said:
What I’m getting at is it looks like the latest internet angst aimed at Sony.
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If you pretend a problem doesn't exist it seems as bad as pretending it's the worst problem ever, I really don't care if you like or dislike the company involved but I do appreciate being aware of any potential issues so I know what I'm buying into.

stevelmx5 said:
Yes, the few example images show some hairlines at extreme magnification so it would be good to understand why. It appears to be areas of higher dynamic range.
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You can see it clearly without any magnification on the female models face: https://www.dpreview.com/sample-galleries/6769434587/sony-a7-iii-sample-photos/5655951041

stevelmx5 said:
The important question is, would anyone really have noticed or scrapped their images if it wasn’t posted on DPR and is it enough to write off the entire camera?
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From all the examples I've seen it only occurs in small areas so I don't think it's ever going to cause you to toss photos but will cost you time fixing it if you're unlucky enough.
For whatever it's worth other than this issue it's had glowing previews but I really would appreciate someone testing it thoroughly without getting into a huff over brand loyalty.
 
woof woof said:
Or just don't bother.

There have been a number of issues like this and not just with Sony. If an issue only occurs in specific circumstances and even then may only be visible now and again and possibly only detected when hunting for it maybe the question should be "Am I bovvered."
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Yet all this fuss over the D750's shading issue which was arguably less of an issue ;) Joking aside, I tend to go into the "Am I bovvered" category unless it's something that I reproduce myself. The only 'concern' for me with the A7/9 pin striping is that you might not see it until you come to process the image and then it's too late to reshoot :(
 
It would be nice if Sony acknowledged the problem and said that there were trying to work on a solution. For all the bashing that the D750 got at least Nikon admitted it and dealt with it (y)
 
simonbarker said:
If you pretend a problem doesn't exist it seems as bad as pretending it's the worst problem ever, I really don't care if you like or dislike the company involved but I do appreciate being aware of any potential issues so I know what I'm buying into.



You can see it clearly without any magnification on the female models face: https://www.dpreview.com/sample-galleries/6769434587/sony-a7-iii-sample-photos/5655951041



From all the examples I've seen it only occurs in small areas so I don't think it's ever going to cause you to toss photos but will cost you time fixing it if you're unlucky enough.
For whatever it's worth other than this issue it's had glowing previews but I really would appreciate someone testing it thoroughly without getting into a huff over brand loyalty.
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I'm not getting into brand loyalty. Whilst I shoot with an A7 now and and A6000 previously, my camera shelf has considerably more film kit on it so my digital gear is just a tool. I'm not suggesting ignoring the problem, I've already said it would be good to understand what's causing it. However, the usual knee jerk reactions of the internet also need to be addressed as, to some, the camera has gone from the best option to completely useless in the space of a few example images. My question was, honestly, how many people actually shoot in these situations where the issue may present itself and then massively crop the image and, more importantly, would actually make the camera useless?

As Nandbytes suggested above, the agony expressed by some (also on DPR) when Sony only offered compressed RAW files was ridiculous. However, Sony then updated the firmware to allow uncompressed RAWs and the same people complained that he image files were larger, took longer to process and offered no real world benefits (except to those who were deliberately shooting at 5-6 stops underexposure and boosting in post..). My point is that there is clearly banding of some sort on those examples shared but the reality of the whole image shows that it's only actually visible when magnified on that specific area. I;m not ignoring it's there, just asking for some balance.
 
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snerkler said:
It would be nice if Sony acknowledged the problem and said that there were trying to work on a solution. For all the bashing that the D750 got at least Nikon admitted it and dealt with it (y)
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Took them 3 recalls lol.

End of the day no camera is perfect. I stick with canon if you need absolute reliability but no flashy features and tech
 
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