The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

I can't get past the Fuji smoke and mirrors stuff. All that ISO / WB / noise reduction stuff and waffle about resolution and large APS-C sensor being as good as FF BS.

OK I should ignore the marketing double speak and lies and just look at the results but then all the ISO / WB / Noise reduction effects come home to roost.

No thanks.
:D

If going APS-C for me it'd have to be Sony A6xxx and less BS and marketing double speak for a more restful mindset.
 
As much as I wave the Sony flag I am afraid I have to admit the Fuji's firmware updates are actually beneficial and not just bug fixes etc. Yes you could argue that they could have brought the camera with all of the firmware additions from day one but that would reduce the bodies longevity.
Its clever marketing from Fuji and it keeps the owners happy. They do listen to their users and it seems to be paying off.
Both are great systems but they also have positives and negatives.

Agreed. I'm not waving the Fuji flag either. But the suggestion that Sony gets it right first time and Fuji only update firmware to fill existing gaps that they had a launch is quite frankly laughable. It's fan boy talk.

Several pages on this thread were chat about the overheating of the a9 and how that had to be addressed by firmware. that's a stable launch...? Please..
 
With all this Nikon and Fuji chat have we all forgotten that a "trusted source" said there'll be a new e mount camera within two weeks...

http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr3-...-announcement-within-two-weeks/#disqus_thread

It'll be interesting to see if it's an A7/x III and if so it'll be interesting to see if any A9 stuff trickles down. A joystick, a bigger battery and a boost in focus performance would be enough for many.
 
As much as I wave the Sony flag I am afraid I have to admit the Fuji's firmware updates are actually beneficial and not just bug fixes etc. Yes you could argue that they could have brought the camera out with all of the firmware additions from day one but that would reduce the bodies longevity.
Its clever marketing from Fuji and it keeps the owners happy. They do listen to their users and it seems to be paying off.
Both are great systems but they also have positives and negatives.
I'll give you an example after a 4 updates to xt1 it finally had eye-AF that barely worked reliably. A6000 had it film day 1.
So sure to a Fuji user it's beneficial and not just a bug fix but that feature was available and working from day 1 on competitors bodies.
 
I'll give you an example after a 4 updates to xt1 it finally had eye-AF that barely worked reliably. A6000 had it film day 1.
So sure to a Fuji user it's beneficial and not just a bug fix but that feature was available and working from day 1 on competitors bodies.
You could also say that Sony equally haven't improved the AF for their original A7, the improvements came in later bodies.
Fuji seem to squeeze every last bit out of their bodies whereas Sony just resolve it out in the next body release.

Its swings and roundabouts, the end result is both are good systems :)
 
I'll give you an example after a 4 updates to xt1 it finally had eye-AF that barely worked reliably. A6000 had it film day 1.
So sure to a Fuji user it's beneficial and not just a bug fix but that feature was available and working from day 1 on competitors bodies.

Fuji are bringing 4k to a 2 year old camera. Another bug fix
 
I hope all is ok but if he stiffs you in solidarity I wont buy anything else off him.
 
You could also say that Sony equally haven't improved the AF for their original A7, the improvements came in later bodies.
Fuji seem to squeeze every last bit out of their bodies whereas Sony just resolve it out in the next body release.

Its swings and roundabouts, the end result is both are good systems :)

Which is no different from most manufacturers. If they did, what would be the point of upgrading to a newer model. I don't see Canon adding the latest AF features (like greater customisation of buttons) to the 5D3 or 6D.
 
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTHAnfMWAHQ
A7r2 still holding its own against the d850

Sure does but not when it comes to speed / responsiveness performance :D lol
If Sony start holding back the very best sensors for their own A7/9 bodies it could help Sony gain further ground from Nikon/Canon.
As soon as Canon/Nikon start releasing/completing with their own FF mirrorless systems Sony my re-evaluate their sensor selling strategy. :D
 
Sure does but not when it comes to speed / responsiveness performance :D lol
If Sony start holding back the very best sensors for their own A7/9 bodies it could help Sony gain further ground from Nikon/Canon.
As soon as Canon/Nikon start releasing/completing with their own FF mirrorless systems Sony my re-evaluate their sensor selling strategy. :D
Could be wrong but I don't believe the D850 has a Sony sensor in it. I do think Nikon have a real upwards battle now to gain traction on the market. I moved over to A9's about a week before the D850 official specs were announced. In a cold sweat I had a look at them and decided I'd still made the right decision in moving to Sony. Again, the D850 is a lovely body, it's hardly the revolution though. Until that mirror gets junked it won't be! Saying that I'm finding the lag on the mechanical shutter on the A9 a little annoying!
 
Could be wrong but I don't believe the D850 has a Sony sensor in it. I do think Nikon have a real upwards battle now to gain traction on the market. I moved over to A9's about a week before the D850 official specs were announced. In a cold sweat I had a look at them and decided I'd still made the right decision in moving to Sony. Again, the D850 is a lovely body, it's hardly the revolution though. Until that mirror gets junked it won't be! Saying that I'm finding the lag on the mechanical shutter on the A9 a little annoying!

I am not sure if it's Sony sensor or not but my guess would be that it is.
The Sony A9 and Nikon D850 are different beats, in that one is a resolution monster the other a speed demon.
Regarding the A9's 5fps mechanical shutter, are you using it EFCS mode? That may improve the lag time compared to full mechanical shutter and still give you the ability to use flash / HSS?
 
I am not sure if it's Sony sensor or not but my guess would be that it is.
The Sony A9 and Nikon D850 are different beats, in that one is a resolution monster the other a speed demon.
Regarding the A9's 5fps mechanical shutter, are you using it EFCS mode? That may improve the lag time compared to full mechanical shutter and still give you the ability to use flash / HSS?
Ok........ EFCS???? I was in single shutter mode
 
Which is no different from most manufacturers. If they did, what would be the point of upgrading to a newer model. I don't see Canon adding the latest AF features (like greater customisation of buttons) to the 5D3 or 6D.
With things like AF and the major features there are certain things locked into the hardware.

To give Canon their due though, they gave the 7D a major firmware upgrade during it's lifetime. It improved continuous-shooting buffer depth (to 25 RAWs, up from the original 15), customizable Auto ISO, control of audio recording level for video and the ability to re-process RAW's and rate images in-camera. The update will also enabled the use of their GP-E2 GPS module. These were not features that were promised and eventually fixed, but new features. :clap:

Could be wrong but I don't believe the D850 has a Sony sensor in it.

I read somewhere that it is Nikon designed, maybe with Samsung tech because of the Backside Illumination. But who knows for certain. :)

I do think Nikon have a real upwards battle now to gain traction on the market.
Traction in the market! the D850 will probably outsell the a9, even with them being similar prices. They are aimed at different types of users. The D800 sold well, as did the D810, and there is no need to think the D850 won't too. The D850 is a more versatile camera for most people. It may not have a EVF, but then most people don't buy their interchangeable lens cameras with EVFs. :thinking:
 
To give Canon their due though, they gave the 7D a major firmware upgrade during it's lifetime. It improved continuous-shooting buffer depth (to 25 RAWs, up from the original 15), customizable Auto ISO, control of audio recording level for video and the ability to re-process RAW's and rate images in-camera. The update will also enabled the use of their GP-E2 GPS module. These were not features that were promised and eventually fixed, but new features

Don't get me wrong, I wasn't having a go at Canon (I have used Canon my whole life, starting off with film and moving through the 350D, 60D, 5D3), however how many of the updates you mentioned were done after the release of the 7D2? My point was why would Sony update the AF performance of the A7 when tit has been superseded by the A7ii and soon to be A7iii. The only thing that puzzles me about Sony, is why do they continue to build and sell older models after releasing updates versions for example A7/A7ii, RX100 1/2/3/4 etc
 
Slightly off the present topic but I need a little advice please folks. Just converted from Nikon to Sony a9 with a 24-70mm f/2.8 (Loving it so far). I'm going on holiday next month to South East Asia and Australia (45th wedding anniversary trip for me and the wife). I need another lens and have looked at the FE 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 and the 70-200mm f/4...can't afford the f/2.8. I can't make up my mind which one, the more I research, the more confused I become.
Any suggestions? Bearing in mind it will be a permanent fixture when we return home.
 
Slightly off the present topic but I need a little advice please folks. Just converted from Nikon to Sony a9 with a 24-70mm f/2.8 (Loving it so far). I'm going on holiday next month to South East Asia and Australia (45th wedding anniversary trip for me and the wife). I need another lens and have looked at the FE 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 and the 70-200mm f/4...can't afford the f/2.8. I can't make up my mind which one, the more I research, the more confused I become.
Any suggestions? Bearing in mind it will be a permanent fixture when we return home.

70-200f4 is a very good lens. Very sharp too.
Haven't used the 70-300 though.
 
Slightly off the present topic but I need a little advice please folks. Just converted from Nikon to Sony a9 with a 24-70mm f/2.8 (Loving it so far). I'm going on holiday next month to South East Asia and Australia (45th wedding anniversary trip for me and the wife). I need another lens and have looked at the FE 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 and the 70-200mm f/4...can't afford the f/2.8. I can't make up my mind which one, the more I research, the more confused I become.
Any suggestions? Bearing in mind it will be a permanent fixture when we return home.

I would seriously consider the FE 70-200mm f4 G OSS lens, it is super sharp and I would personally pick it over the variable 70-300mm, if you need more reach use the crop mode on the A9.
 
Slightly off the present topic but I need a little advice please folks.

Please, PLEASE help derail the Sony vs. the world technical conversation. Haysoos but it's getting dull... Pixel peepers the lot of you ;)

In answer to your question; the rough consensus is the 70-200 f/2.8 isn't worth the price hike over the f4 unless you definitely need f/2.8. The 70-200 f/4 is sharper than the 70-300, and with APSC activated on your A9 you'll get effective 300mm anyway (more useful on the R2 as you still have silly megapixels to play with).
 
You could also say that Sony equally haven't improved the AF for their original A7, the improvements came in later bodies.
Fuji seem to squeeze every last bit out of their bodies whereas Sony just resolve it out in the next body release.

Its swings and roundabouts, the end result is both are good systems :)
I have plenty of problems with Sony too. Didn't say it was perfect either. I believe we are debating how crap Sony is on another thread :D

Two wrongs don't make a right as I said on the other thread
 
I hope all is ok but if he stiffs you in solidarity I wont buy anything else off him.
I'll try contacting him again next week. I called credit card company they told me I need wait at least a month before I can claim chargeback.

So till then I'll keep trying :(
 
I'll try contacting him again next week. I called credit card company they told me I need wait at least a month before I can claim chargeback.

So till then I'll keep trying :(

Fingers crossed.

Door mirror web.

A7 and Minolta 55mm f1.7 MC.

DSC08025-Nik.jpg
 
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I have plenty of problems with Sony too. Didn't say it was perfect either. I believe we are debating how crap Sony is on another thread :D

Two wrongs don't make a right as I said on the other thread

If you don't like it then you can always sell up and move entirely to Nikon, Canon, Fuji etc.
Nothing is perfect and it never will be, perfection is a illusion just like the notion of control.
 
Hi there,

Looking for some opinions on set-up. Primarily shooting landscape.

Considering the following two options - what do people think

Sony 16-35mm + Sony 50mm FE 1.8

Or

Olympus 21mm/24mm + Sony 35mm 2.8 + Sony 28-70mm kit lens

What do you think?
 
Don't get me wrong, I wasn't having a go at Canon (I have used Canon my whole life, starting off with film and moving through the 350D, 60D, 5D3), however how many of the updates you mentioned were done after the release of the 7D2? My point was why would Sony update the AF performance of the A7 when tit has been superseded by the A7ii and soon to be A7iii.
Have a go at whoever you want. ;) :LOL:
Canon didn't have to release a firmware update for the 7D, it was presumably selling well against the even then ageing Nikon D300S. Now maybe, the update would have given them a sales boost though, and maybe bought them a bit longer time to prepare the 7DII. If companies continue to support the cameras with improvements via firmware updates that would be great, but you can see it is not in their best interests most of the time. It could foster more loyalty from user because they would feel that the company 'cares', but improve too much and users are less likely to upgrade when the new camera is not that big an improvement. It is a tough road to thread. Maybe it is easier to do in an expanding market, which the mirrorless sector is, because more people will probably buy any new camera regardless of the few that will stay with their firmware improved cameras.

The only thing that puzzles me about Sony, is why do they continue to build and sell older models after releasing updates versions for example A7/A7ii, RX100 1/2/3/4 etc
Normally what happens is older cameras stay on sale because stock has not shifted off the shelves, and they want to bring out a new model. It is normally in the entry to mid level cameras because they are normally released every 1-1.5 years. They have over produced and they haven't sold enough to get close to clearing the stock out there. I noticed it first with Canon, who would release a ***D camera and there may be one or two previous models, at time reduced rrp, for a number of months. It was easier to do when there were larger improvements for each new generation. There was a time a few years ago when Nikon had 3-4 generations of entry level camera on sale. :rolleyes: We are getting to a point now where a new camera may have some minor improvements but maybe some features of a previous model taken away. :eek: Seriously Nikon, taking away sensor cleaning from a DSLR. :mad: :( :oops: :$ Presumably for cost cutting reasons, but it seems a stupid business model to me when there are plenty of the previous model, and maybe even the one before, still on sale.

Sony seem to be trying something different with the RX100 series at least, in making large improvements to each model, to raise the price of the new camera, and so have many of the models still on sale appealing to different users in features and price. For me, the RX100 was the best combination of features and price I wanted to play for that type of camera. For that to work they seem to be keeping the prices relatively stable, and prices not coming down over time as quick as most cameras.
 
Hi there,

Looking for some opinions on set-up. Primarily shooting landscape.

Considering the following two options - what do people think

Sony 16-35mm + Sony 50mm FE 1.8

Or

Olympus 21mm/24mm + Sony 35mm 2.8 + Sony 28-70mm kit lens

What do you think?

If you're thinking about old manual Zuiko's a third party 24mm f2.8 could save you £70 or more.
 
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