The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

Riz_Guru said:
The same theory could be applied to most manufacturer bodies out there in combination with their marketing but its not hidden at all, as said, its usually written in plain English on their own literature, you just need to be proactive about it and look ...... if you really feel that Sony has not met your expectations you could give them a call or Watchdog :D lol
It doesn't sound ridiculous, yes I would be annoyed IF I really needed 20fps on the 55mm f1.8 but its forward progress by Sony, they probably didn't even decided on a 20 fps body back when the A7 and 55mm f1.8 was designed/made... technology moves on and sometimes certain elements are outdated quicker than others.
That doesn't mean the Sony Zeiss 55mm f1.8 is rubbish..... come'on, do you really need 20fps at a 55mm focal length? :D
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You are missing the point. They shouldn't have to write such a list for new lenses lol.

No it means Sony is bad at designing their system. Yes I'd like 20fps at 55mm focal length thank you very much. :p

And canon probably sells more and will continue to do so since they provide a whole system that's designed to works well together. With Sony left hand doesn't know what the right hand is up to by the looks of it. :D
 
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Riz_Guru said:
Oh I forgot to add, you can shoot 20fps if using AF-S mode... or so it says... maybe..... lmao :D
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Awesome, you can get 20 sharp shots of the same non-moving subject or one in focus and 19 blurred ones of a moving subject :0)

Sorry if it looks like I'm always coming down on your kit choice Riz. You're probably the most vocal defender of Sony and their technical/pricing strategies so you are normally the first to reply to negative comments.

I understand that your budget is obviously higher than others on here and we can all buy whatever we like. My only issue is that the photos you've shared, as nice as they are, don't really show anything that you couldn't have shot on a D750/5D/A7ii for example (as shown by others who share their work). I appreciate that having the best kit to hand is very nice but your constant suggestion that people need to accept the G Master costs/lens dictates/technical limitations if they want the 'best' results doesn't always stack up.
 
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nandbytes said:
You are missing the point. They shouldn't have to write such a list for new lenses lol.

No it means Sony is bad at designing their system. Yes I'd like 20fps at 55mm focal length thank you very much. :p
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Well the way Sony are dishing out bodies and lenses I doesn't surprise me, like I mentioned, Sony probably didn't even plan a 20 fps body when they first designed the A7 and Zeiss 55mm f1.8 lens.....
What is a bad design for your may not be for others and if you want 20fps at 55m you'll have to look elsewhere D: lol
 
Riz_Guru said:
Well the way Sony are dishing out bodies and lenses I doesn't surprise me, like I mentioned, Sony probably didn't even plan a 20 fps body when they first designed the A7 and Zeiss 55mm f1.8 lens.....
What is a bad design for your may not be for others and if you want 20fps at 55m you'll have to look elsewhere D: lol
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The point is I shouldn't need to look elsewhere :P lol
 
Wise words from Steve Huff...

http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2017/...-4-asph-auto-focus-lens-review-by-steve-huff/

"We have many choices today in the mirrorless world. If you crave the smallest of size with high quality, go for micro 4/3 with Olympus or Panasonic. The hard facts are that 90% of people truly do not need more than these systems offer. If you want more choice, and a larger sensor, go Fuji for APS-C. If you want the most sensor for your buck, and the most DOF options, and the all out best quality IQ go full frame with Sony or Leica. See, we have choice and we can go tiny, normal or larger or these days even to medium format with Fuji or Hasselblad. All depends on what we need or want or what makes us motivated to use the damn thing ; )

The real secret is, and I have said this for years, buy the camera that MOTIVATES YOU to go out and shoot. No matter if it is a 1″ sensor camera. Because if you end up with a system you are not head over heels for, you will not want to use it, and if you do not use it, you are not creating images. Go with your heart, gut and what drives your passion for this craft."
 
woof woof said:
Wise words from Steve Huff...

http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2017/...-4-asph-auto-focus-lens-review-by-steve-huff/

"We have many choices today in the mirrorless world. If you crave the smallest of size with high quality, go for micro 4/3 with Olympus or Panasonic. The hard facts are that 90% of people truly do not need more than these systems offer. If you want more choice, and a larger sensor, go Fuji for APS-C. If you want the most sensor for your buck, and the most DOF options, and the all out best quality IQ go full frame with Sony or Leica. See, we have choice and we can go tiny, normal or larger or these days even to medium format with Fuji or Hasselblad. All depends on what we need or want or what makes us motivated to use the damn thing ; )

The real secret is, and I have said this for years, buy the camera that MOTIVATES YOU to go out and shoot. No matter if it is a 1″ sensor camera. Because if you end up with a system you are not head over heels for, you will not want to use it, and if you do not use it, you are not creating images. Go with your heart, gut and what drives your passion for this craft."
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very wise words. and off i go to the Fuji shop :exit:
 
addicknchips said:
@twist - any joy with your sigma/a7rii combo?
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Don't get me wrong, it's good just can't keep up with high end DSLR afc. Wide open afs is nice and snappy, the target coming towards at closer distances is a tougher test for most mirrorless ime.

I think if you're happy with native af speed id bet the fe35 is only slightly faster than the siggy combo... lots of glass to move. From your type of shots I've seen I think the sigma mc11 could easily do that job.
 
@woof woof time to blame you for a recent acquisition.
Pending delivery is a Minolta X300 that came with a Rokkor MD 50mm f1.7 and a 35-70mm f3.5 macro as well as other bits and pieces.
Will look forward to test driving the above two lenses.
 
stevelmx5 said:
Awesome, you can get 20 sharp shots of the same non-moving subject or one in focus and 19 blurred ones of a moving subject :0)

Sorry if it looks like I'm always coming down on your kit choice Riz. You're probably the most vocal defender of Sony and their technical/pricing strategies so you are normally the first to reply to negative comments.

I understand that your budget is obviously higher than others on here and we can all buy whatever we like. My only issue is that the photos you've shared, as nice as they are, don't really show anything that you couldn't have shot on a D750/5D/A7ii for example (as shown by others who share their work). I appreciate that having the best kit to hand is very nice but your constant suggestion that people need to accept the G Master costs/lens dictates/technical limitations if they want the 'best' results doesn't always stack up.
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Yes I can be quite vocal but it's mostly a bit of harmless banter in my eyes and I am very much a reactive guy..... :D hopefully it hasn't offended anybody and apologies if it has.
However I stand by what I said regarding G Master lenses, they are probably the best Sony currently offer but at a cost. I see no harm in recommending them when a complaint has been vocally made about the FE 55mm f1.8 not being about to do 20fps, if the complainant wants 20fps then my suggestion to get the G Master(s) lenses is valid.

In terms of getting the best results ...the G Master lenses have been tested/proven enough now to put them on par or ahead of some of the best lenses from competitors, I don't post many photos online at all and sharing online for me it isn't the best way to share/view high quality photos.
I have said this before, unless people are pixel peeping 1:1 / 100% the differences between lenses and bodies these days are probably just that final 10% difference in IQ/Sharpness/DR/ISO, for the other 90% of the time, any modern day body is capable of shooting great images. And its this small 10% difference some people get hung up on, including myself lol :D

I too could say I haven't seen anything posted here that really shows how good bodies like the D750/5D/A7II are, but that would be wrong of me.
For me its not just about the image quality, its the whole experience including the technical benefits the Sony system offers including the lenses and shortcomings.

In summary if people want to get into the Sony system they should do a little bit of research first and budget accordingly, then prepare to pay the cost... this could mean weight, size or actual price. (cost)
 
stevelmx5 said:
Awesome, you can get 20 sharp shots of the same non-moving subject or one in focus and 19 blurred ones of a moving subject :0)

Sorry if it looks like I'm always coming down on your kit choice Riz. You're probably the most vocal defender of Sony and their technical/pricing strategies so you are normally the first to reply to negative comments.

I understand that your budget is obviously higher than others on here and we can all buy whatever we like. My only issue is that the photos you've shared, as nice as they are, don't really show anything that you couldn't have shot on a D750/5D/A7ii for example (as shown by others who share their work). I appreciate that having the best kit to hand is very nice but your constant suggestion that people need to accept the G Master costs/lens dictates/technical limitations if they want the 'best' results doesn't always stack up.
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Do you like my pictures?
 
jonneymendoza said:
Do you like my pictures?
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Yeah they're lovely Jonney. I personally prefer the portraits that were posted yesterday to city break walkabouts but that's a personal subject choice. From a technical perspective, you could shoot the same portraits on your A9, and I could shoot the same city break shots on my A7 (which was my point).
 
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stevelmx5 said:
Yeah they're lovely Jonney. I personally prefer the portraits that were posted yesterday to city break walkabouts but that's a persona choice. From a technical perspective, you could shoot the same portraits on your A9, and I could shoot the same city break shots on my A7 (which was my point).
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I never found the IQ quality from my Sony A7 / 7II lacking hence why the A9 sensor's minor improvement wasn't even a consideration for me.
 
stupar said:
@woof woof time to blame you for a recent acquisition.
Pending delivery is a Minolta X300 that came with a Rokkor MD 50mm f1.7 and a 35-70mm f3.5 macro as well as other bits and pieces.
Will look forward to test driving the above two lenses.
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haha :D

There seem to be quite a few versions of the 50mm lenses but the smart money is always on the f1.7 / f1.8 versions for a good cost, bulk and image quality mix. I don't have a 50mm f1.7 MD now but I did have one a few years ago and I shouldn't have sold it :D

If you have the time to focus manually I think that these lenses are great value and fun and they take nice pictures too :D

I'm currently trying to decide if I should load the CS5 lens corrections or not as I think that loading them might just remove a bit of the character of the lenses but if you want a more modern and more technically excellent look I suppose the corrections can help get you there.

I posted this shot a few pages back, I've looked at it a lot since I took it and I like it :D

50mm f1.7 MC.

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It's as sharp as I could want at 100%.

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nandbytes said:
Nah no hard feelings. I don't let gear talk become personal. It's not like designed then :p
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Cool...... but really, do you want 20fps on the Sony Zeiss 55mm f1.8 :D lol I could get onto the Sony rep and open a can of woop@ss on him ;)
 
Riz_Guru said:
In summary if people want to get into the Sony system they should do a little bit of research first and budget accordingly, then prepare to pay the cost... this could mean weight, size or actual price. (cost)
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I suppose what we want to achieve varies a lot.

All I want is something that is compact and light but will also give me good image quality when I want it and also allow me to use old manual lenses and all this at a price I'm willing to pay. At the moment there's really only two choices and they are the Sony A7/A9 or Leica and the Leica's although lovely are probably beyond the price I'm willing to pay and of course most lack the option of using AF lenses.
 
woof woof said:
I suppose what we want to achieve varies a lot.

All I want is something that is compact and light but will also give me good image quality when I want it and also allow me to use old manual lenses and all this at a price I'm willing to pay. At the moment there's really only two choices and they are the Sony A7/A9 or Leica and the Leica's although lovely are probably beyond the price I'm willing to pay and of course most lack the option of using AF lenses.
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I still think Sony could make a even smaller FF body, think A6500 with A7 sensor?
But as it stands the A7 with 35mm f2.8 and 55mm f1.8 is a great combination.
 
Riz_Guru said:
I still think Sony could make a even smaller FF body, think A6500 with A7 sensor?
But as it stands the A7 with 35mm f2.8 and 55mm f1.8 is a great combination.
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I'm sure they could make a smaller camera.

This is a comparison of my TZ100, GX7, GX80 and A7.

http://camerasize.com/compact/#647,472.383,673.383,579.394,ha,b

You can see that the only things that make the A7 bigger are the VF hump and the grip. Do away with these and yes, you'd have a FF A6xxx sized camera but I'm not too sure what the advantage would be as even my MFT GX7/80 are really too big for all but a winter coat pocket and mostly have to go in a bag and my existing SLR style A7+35mm f2.8 will also go in the same bag. So what would I gain from a smaller body?

I really have to go for my TZ100, which is a 1" fixed zoom camera, to really gain any significant saving is size and weight.
 
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Riz_Guru said:
I still think Sony could make a even smaller FF body, think A6500 with A7 sensor?
But as it stands the A7 with 35mm f2.8 and 55mm f1.8 is a great combination.
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They have already.

the rx something something that has the a7r2 sensor
 
Riz_Guru said:
Cool...... but really, do you want 20fps on the Sony Zeiss 55mm f1.8 :D lol I could get onto the Sony rep and open a can of woop@ss on him ;)
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Actually speaking I don't want any more than 10fps at any focal length. PP at 10fps is a PIA already :D

But that was not my point, Sony sensor designs and R&D would have started when these lenses were being developed. They should really support all the lenses since they are so new. Especially lenses like 70-200/4 and 70-300G
These are G lenses. If they can't even plan for 2-3 years in advance that simply shows the left hand isn't aware of what the right hand is doing. There are G badged tele lenses that aren't exactly cheap either. Not supporting them at full spec is crazy. They are still rather new as far as lens design goes.
 
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