The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

woof woof said:
Twist, I'm surprised than even you don't detect a slight bias at DPR sometimes. Or maybe I'm not :D and the fact seems to be that weaknesses and omissions sometimes do appear to be overlooked or at least downplayed at DPR and that's just not good.

The lack of consistency has struck me before many times. Being die hard DSLR fans with an inbuilt reluctance to mirrorless would be bad enough but to be uneven for commercial reasons is maybe more distasteful.
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I do, they've been pushing Sony big time over the past years so I haven't noticed what you have. They took the time to write a very detailed article about a specific issue and some slate them for it. Odd.
 
ChrisHeathcote said:
In some respects I am prioritising the walk around camera as this is where most of the use is (family days out etc). With regards to lenses I was looking at the Sony FE 16-35mm f4 ZA as a general walkabout lens along with a couple of fast primes (24& 35mm) although for now I'll just the 35mm art. Even with the art mounted it's only just over a kg whereas it's over 1.5kg on a 5d3. I've read that the AF isn't as quick but it's more the IQ and DR that's important as my son rarely moves quickly. Now to find somewhere with it in stock to try it out and see how the handling is (something else that has been criticised)
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The sigma art 35mm focuses just like native in my A7R2.
 
twist said:
But the facts are the facts, it's a problem till as he says you switch to mechanical shutter, then what? 5fps. Tbh I've seen nothing but praise for Sony on dpr
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It's not a problem if both Nikon & Canon Pro bodies also suffer from banding though?
It's just a fact that you may get banding under 7700 LED lighting?
 
Riz_Guru said:
It's not a problem if both Nikon & Canon Pro bodies also suffer from banding though?
It's just a fact that you may get banding under 7700 LED lighting?
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It is a problem because a mechanical shutter suffers to a much lesser extent.
 
twist said:
But the facts are the facts, it's a problem till as he says you switch to mechanical shutter, then what? 5fps. Tbh I've seen nothing but praise for Sony on dpr
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There's banding issues in the 1dx2 I found a link too.

On mechanical shutter you may still see banding
 
twist said:
It is a problem because a mechanical shutter suffers to a much lesser extent.
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So it's still a problem but to a lesser extent, was this mentioned in the original DPR Nikon D5 and Canon 1DX II reviews ;)

To be honest it's only because the Sony has just come out people are going to pull it apart etc, it's the norm. :)
 
Riz_Guru said:
So it's still a problem but to a lesser extent, was this mentioned in the original DPR Nikon D5 and Canon 1DX II reviews ;)

To be honest it's only because the Sony has just come out people are going to pull it apart etc, it's the norm. :)
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When people aren't noticing it it's not an issue, obviously it's a big problem for some using the a9 so it's worth investigating. Sure that has to be the reason, not that there's a problem.
 
twist said:
Not as severe or common.
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There's a link I posted here that showed severe banding on the 1dx2 shot in a fashion catwalk indoors.

Mechanical shutter is double the speed of the A9 when reading out a scene but not quite enough to not see banding on mechanical shutter.

Even global shutter have banding issues as someone here who works as an engineer in the field of camera shutter has pointed out.

What the afro guy did not do was to show images of players right next to the ad boards on his d5.

He did not even know where the banding was coming from!

Dp corrected him in the article saying it's from the ad boards
 
twist said:
When people aren't noticing it it's not an issue, obviously it's a big problem for some using the a9 so it's worth investigating. Sure that has to be the reason, not that there's a problem.
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I think people are noticing, look at all the people b##ching and moan about the banding on the forums & websites.

Sony will no doubt be investigating to resolve this either via firmware or in the next A9 body that's for certain. :)
 
Gaz J said:
After reading that it just comes across as a Sony fanboy with an axe to bring with DP Review.
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That may be but if you spend time reading DPR reviews can you disagree that DPR seems to downplay the problems and omissions with some kit whilst tending to highlight them more with other kit?

I've said many times that I'm no fan boy and I'm not, I couldn't give a flying who makes what and my owning history should prove that so seeing what appears to be uneven reviewing does annoy and disappoint me.
 
Riz_Guru said:
I think people are noticing, look at all the people b##ching and moan about the banding on the forums & websites.

Sony will no doubt be investigating to resolve this either via firmware or in the next A9 body that's for certain. :)
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Sony will do naff all the a9ii however will have the fix needed. Thus a marketers dream no banding even on 777000099hz
 
Nuzik said:
Sony will do naff all the a9ii however will have the fix needed. Thus a marketers dream no banding even on 777000099hz
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There may not be a way to produce perfect pictures at every possible setting and lighting scenario.

It would however be better if when pointing out that camera X does this or that in a specific scenario reviewers mentioned that cameras Y and Z did this too. A judgement on which is best might be nice too.
 
woof woof said:
There may not be a way to produce perfect pictures at every possible setting and lighting scenario.

It would however be better if when pointing out that camera X does this or that in a specific scenario reviewers mentioned that cameras Y and Z did this too. A judgement on which is best might be nice too.
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I was being sarcastic obviously.



On a serious side note, I've not picked my camera up to have a browse due to lack of lenses arriving. Is it easy enough to change the shutter mechanism from one o the other?
 
woof woof said:
That may be but if you spend time reading DPR reviews can you disagree that DPR seems to downplay the problems and omissions with some kit whilst tending to highlight them more with other kit?

I've said many times that I'm no fan boy and I'm not, I couldn't give a flying who makes what and my owning history should prove that so seeing what appears to be uneven reviewing does annoy and disappoint me.
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It's the same all over Alan. People and sites have their own agendas, just as those of us who prefer one brand over another. We overlook the failings because it suits us to. There is no requirement for anyone to give all the good and bad points of a camera when reviewing it. I've read opinions on the A9 on how it would perform better that Canon/Nikons pro bodies before the damn thing saw the light of day.

The guy is obviously p***ed at DPR for some reason. I read a few more articles on his site and if I was after an unbiased opinion on something he would not be the one I would be getting it from.

For all the good points of the A9 and the fact that it will fit the requirements of a lot of people, others will find something that doesn't cut it againt it's target market and emphasise that even if it would make absolutely no difference to them in their use of the camera.
 
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If you watch certain motoring programs like F1, TopGear, GrandTour, WRC, Touring cars etc and even motoring YouTube clips they all show flickering LED lights on the cars, again to do with the LED light frequency.
You don't hear about that being a issue, it's just the norm, not a issue but a trait.
 
Would be interesting to see how the A9 eshutter would have performed on the LOVE light above, based on the fact they say they've 'sorted it' - I assume it would have come out ok without banding.

Shots were taken that featured this light, wouldn't be good to have it band.
 
Gaz J said:
It's the same all over Alan. People and sites have their own agendas, just as those of us who prefer one brand over another. We overlook the failings because it suits us to. There is no requirement for anyone to give all the good and bad points of a camera when reviewing it. I've read opinions on the A9 on how it would perform better that Canon/Nikons pro bodies before the damn thing saw the light of day.

The guy is obviously p***ed at DPR for some reason. I read a few more articles on his site and if if was after an unbiased opinion on something he would not be the one I would be getting it from.
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The guy is p***ed off but I don't give a toss about that and that doesn't make his point about partiality irrelevant if he seems to be right and I think he is, I've noticed this myself. What irritates me is reviewers basing their reviews on advertising income.

As for those of "us" who prefer one brand over another I have this advice, grow up and get over it :D
 
woof woof said:
The guy is p***ed off but I don't give a toss about that and that doesn't make his point about partiality irrelevant if he seems to be right and I think he is, I've noticed this myself. What irritates me is reviewers basing their reviews on advertising income.

As for those of "us" who prefer one brand over another I have this advice, grow up and get over it :D
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Totally agree!
 
All they have to do is find a d5/1d and a9, take shots in the same scenario and post them. That will finally end this b*****ks.
 
Reposting some of my deleted Photobucket pictures.

A7 and old Minolta lens, probably my 50mm f1.2.

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And at the other side of the world with my Sony 35mm f2.8.

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twist said:
All they have to do is find a d5/1d and a9, take shots in the same scenario and post them. That will finally end this b*****ks.
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Yup, doesn't matter to me .... Sony here I come.... the second coming lol :D
 
I think these were with my Minolta 50mm f1.4.

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These are 100% crops from the above.

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I hope the sharpness comes across when posted here. Sharpness isn't everything but it's nice to see these old lenses performing so well and there is the option of using a wider aperture for a more characterful look.

I know I keep raving about these old lenses but I do think they're nice and such good value too at about £40-60 for a lens that can be pretty sharp or pretty characterful :D
 
Riz_Guru said:
Yup, doesn't matter to me .... Sony here I come.... the second coming lol :D
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Anyone interested in buying Sony kit should do so now before the prices go UP because Riz has bought up the UK stock :D

Are you going to say what you're getting or keep us in suspenders?
 
More cheap 50mm shots followed by 100% crops.

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dancook said:
Would be interesting to see how the A9 eshutter would have performed on the LOVE light above, based on the fact they say they've 'sorted it' - I assume it would have come out ok without banding.

Shots were taken that featured this light, wouldn't be good to have it band.
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Where is that love sign located?
 
woof woof said:
Anyone interested in buying Sony kit should do so now before the prices go UP because Riz has bought up the UK stock :D

Are you going to say what you're getting or keep us in suspenders?
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On a serious note RE: Pricing actually, I noticed that Pentax have put their lenses up quite significantly in the last few days, possible precursor to other brands following suit? Particularly as Pentax already raised prices a few times over the last few months.
 
chrism_scotland said:
On a serious note RE: Pricing actually, I noticed that Pentax have put their lenses up quite significantly in the last few days, possible precursor to other brands following suit? Particularly as Pentax already raised prices a few times over the last few months.
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Possibly and it wouldn't surprise me. :(
 
chrism_scotland said:
On a serious note RE: Pricing actually, I noticed that Pentax have put their lenses up quite significantly in the last few days, possible precursor to other brands following suit? Particularly as Pentax already raised prices a few times over the last few months.
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I think Pentax launched the k1 and bits cheap to get people to buy, they're just putting it where it should be priced imo.

If prices are to go up the 6d2 at 1999 usd is a bloody bargain.
 
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twist said:
I think Pentax launched the k1 and bits cheap to get people to buy, they're just putting it where it should be priced imo.

If prices are to go up the 6d2 at 1999 usd is a bloody bargain.
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Its not the K1 actually but the lenses themselves, and not necessarily the "new" ones but many of the long-standing line-up, the K1 has already gone up from £1600 when launched to £2000 now which I agree was absolutely about getting folk buying it.
 
chrism_scotland said:
Its not the K1 actually but the lenses themselves, and not necessarily the "new" ones but many of the long-standing line-up, the K1 has already gone up from £1600 when launched to £2000 now which I agree was absolutely about getting folk buying it.
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That's what I mean by the k1, the money's not in body's, it's in the lenses. Sell body cheap, when enough sold increase the lot.
 
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