The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

jonneymendoza said:
The A7r3 will have 60mp i heard,

definetly will get rid of my a7r2 for that badboy
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The way I'm thinking I'm less bothered about a MP bump but an A7riii in the A9 body (or maybe even call it an A9r) will be my next body, perhaps retaining the A7rii alongside it.

addicknchips said:
That gimped version sounds like a waste of time.

For cameras to be releasing without a decent option to move the focus point in this day and age is frankly disgusting. A6300 a6500. Lazy. Such a simple thing shouldn't be considered as an option for the "pro"cameras only
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Its very Canon/Nikon to gimp the "middle" body though and it would make sense for Sony, especially now that they seem to have moved away from almost yearly upgrades of hardware, (RX100 aside...)
 
chrism_scotland said:
The way I'm thinking I'm less bothered about a MP bump but an A7riii in the A9 body (or maybe even call it an A9r) will be my next body, perhaps retaining the A7rii alongside it.


Its very Canon/Nikon to gimp the "middle" body though and it would make sense for Sony, especially now that they seem to have moved away from almost yearly upgrades of hardware, (RX100 aside...)
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How so? The d750 had more new features and advanced af than the d810 does?
 
chrism_scotland said:
The way I'm thinking I'm less bothered about a MP bump but an A7riii in the A9 body (or maybe even call it an A9r) will be my next body, perhaps retaining the A7rii alongside it.



Its very Canon/Nikon to gimp the "middle" body though and it would make sense for Sony, especially now that they seem to have moved away from almost yearly upgrades of hardware, (RX100 aside...)
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I personally think the key difference in the a73 and a9 will be one will have 20fps and the other will have 8-11. It won't cannibalise sales of the a9. People who need 20fps will buy the a9. And the rest will just wish they waited for the a73 instead.
 
addicknchips said:
I personally think the key difference in the a73 and a9 will be one will have 20fps and the other will have 8-11. It won't cannibalise sales of the a9. People who need 20fps will buy the a9. And the rest will just wish they waited for the a73 instead.
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jesus. A73?

that a 500mp 60fps camera?

whens that out? probably by 2030. cant wait. No need for super tele lenses. just shoot at 50mm and crop to 800mm. done
 
PS.
While I'm sat here.

Whole image and then 100% crops wide open from my 85mm Rokkor, Zuiko and FD but I can't say which is which :D The first has a bit more CA but other than that they're pretty equal in this test shot... in real world shooting I'd say that the Rokkor edges the other two wide open, then the FD and last the Zuiko.

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I know, I've read it... welcome to the world of subtle humour. I'll use a sledge hammer next time :D

But they do say it's sharper than the 50mm.

If I was interested in this lens it'd be for it's manual lens feel and build rather than razor sharpness but I'm not convinced that it offers anything over the lenses I have other than not having to use an adapter.

And on softness, the three legacy lenses I have are rather soft wide open. I usually sharpen at about 100 (in CS5) with a redious of 0.7 but for these I went to 1.4 which makes them look sharper. I'd imagine that legacy lens shots could be processed to look like the Lensbaby shots in that piece. Maybe.
 
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I was amazed the (not global) electronic shutter in the a9 wasn't causing banding and distortion. I've used the Fuji one enough to know it's very risky in critical situations. Well...

https://petapixel.com/2017/06/27/uh-oh-sony-a9-banding-issue-report-surfaces/

The fast readout has suppressed it in most situations, but it looks as though it can be triggered with the right light source.

Out of interest, has a fan/propeller test been tried with the a9?
 
I've watched the video and it's interesting to see, I've seen this in person on my A7RII but to a greater degree as that body doesn't have any algorithm to combat light frequencies.
I wonder if Sony will put out a fix if it's even possible. :)
 
Riz_Guru said:
I've watched the video and it's interesting to see, I've seen this in person on my A7RII but to a greater degree as that body doesn't have any algorithm to combat light frequencies.
I wonder if Sony will put out a fix if it's even possible. :)
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I'd be surprised if there's a fix for it as it's a technical result of a non-global electronic shutter. The image is read line by line very quickly which can lead to the banding in certain lighting conditions. Other than a software 'fix', which would be applied to jpg or Sony would get crucified for editing the Raw files.
 
stevelmx5 said:
I'd be surprised if there's a fix for it as it's a technical result of a non-global electronic shutter. The image is read line by line very quickly which can lead to the banding in certain lighting conditions. Other than a software 'fix', which would be applied to jpg or Sony would get crucified for editing the Raw files.
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+1.

Jonneys going to have to sell his now. 50p.
 
Nuzik said:
You can't buy Jonneys stuff he's usually jizzed over it so bad it's unusable for the rest of us ;)
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stevelmx5 said:
I'd be surprised if there's a fix for it as it's a technical result of a non-global electronic shutter. The image is read line by line very quickly which can lead to the banding in certain lighting conditions. Other than a software 'fix', which would be applied to jpg or Sony would get crucified for editing the Raw files.
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I don't this it's that straight forward, why aren't we seeing banding under other light sources?
It's probably the running frequency of certain lights which could be fixed with anti-flicker?

Canon use it in the 7D Mark II and 80D.
The camera uses the metering sensor to continuously measure the fluctuating ambient light level, and synchronizes the shutter release with the brightest part of the cycle - regardless of when you press the shutter.

Guess we'll have to wait and see, it might be a deal breaker for some potential customers.
 
Mechanical shutters show banding sometimes. That's why Canon have anti flickering modes (reduce fps cost).

There is one specific light where you see banding on the a9 and Canon 5d3. That's with these wifi led light bulbs. Someone in a9 Facebook demonstrated it.
 
Hang on a minute, are we saying that shooting with the Sony A9 at 20fps in electronic shutter mode under certain lighting results in all 20 images having banding or is it one or two images?
If it's the later it doesn't sound like a big issue?
 
Riz_Guru said:
Hang on a minute, are we saying that shooting with the Sony A9 at 20fps in electronic shutter mode under certain lighting results in all 20 images having banding or is it one or two images?
If it's the later it doesn't sound like a big issue?
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I don't know for sure but I'd expect it to be certain shots that fall in sequence with the lighting. The video by the fro-dude said the same thing but also said that if those 2% of shots happen to have your best shots in them you're going to be annoyed.
 
stevelmx5 said:
I don't know for sure but I'd expect it to be certain shots that fall in sequence with the lighting. The video by the fro-dude said the same thing but also said that if those 2% of shots happen to have your best shots in them you're going to be annoyed.
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So you have 20 fps at your disposal and you end up wanting the one shot which has banding on it mmmm interesting, how much action will you really miss at 20fps.
 
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Riz_Guru said:
So you have 20 fps as your disposal and you end up wanting the one shot which has banding on it mmmm interesting, how much action will you really miss at 20fps.
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I agree but where would bloggers (and Jonney) be without a weekly apocalyptic Sony scare ;0)
 
stevelmx5 said:
I agree but where would bloggers (and Jonney) be without a weekly apocalyptic Sony scare ;0)
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Haha :D to be honestly banding doesn't surprise me, what I find is that the rolling shutter / jello effect is more or less mitigated with Sony's new electronic shutter... epic :)
Having used the Sony A9, its a proper weapon :D
 
Riz_Guru said:
Hang on a minute, are we saying that shooting with the Sony A9 at 20fps in electronic shutter mode under certain lighting results in all 20 images having banding or is it one or two images?
If it's the later it doesn't sound like a big issue?
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Less than 1 image. The guy had 2 percent of his images messed up due to banding
 
jonneymendoza said:
What's two percent of 20 images?
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What's 2 percent of 1000000 million images. What's 2% of 100 images? You can't actually have 2% of twenty images have banding as it's not true. You need to have an image with banding to see it. It's impossible and not mathematically possible to have 2% of 20 images with banding. 0.4 of photo would be one photo as either it has banding or doesn't. So in this case it's either 1 in 20 or 2 in a 100 either way it's s***!
 
Nuzik said:
What's 2 percent of 1000000 million images. What's 2% of 100 images? You can't actually have 2% of twenty images have banding as it's not true. You need to have an image with banding to see it. It's impossible and not mathematically possible to have 2% of 20 images with banding. 0.4 of photo would be one photo as either it has banding or doesn't. So in this case it's either 1 in 20 or 2 in a 100 either way it's s***!
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Time to sell my A9 then. I'll sell it to you for 5k.
 
Riz_Guru said:
Hang on a minute, are we saying that shooting with the Sony A9 at 20fps in electronic shutter mode under certain lighting results in all 20 images having banding or is it one or two images?
If it's the later it doesn't sound like a big issue?
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Well obviously if you're shooting at 20fps in the same scene which is likely the case at 20fps and it's under those effected conditions it wouldn't be 2% it would more than likely be a higher percentage.
 
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Nuzik said:
I've not seen it or used it. You just quoted the maths. But I wouldn't pay 4k for a camera that has issues like that. I'd get the Leica SL for that money. I haven't seen banding on it.
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I already offered him some haribos but he better have it steam cleaned first.
 
Nuzik said:
I've not seen it or used it. You just quoted the maths. But I wouldn't pay 4k for a camera that has issues like that. I'd get the Leica SL for that money. I haven't seen banding on it.
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Theres tons of banding on that one when shooting in electronic shutter mode.

no better than the A7r2 and has worse AF and not as good sensor. Also buffer rate is appalling .

Your paying for the name more so then what it can do. You might as well donate 3k and use the other 1k buying a A7
 
Anything which reduces the appearance of banding must be a good thing even if it isn't 100% effective.

And a question... can the A9 be set to automatically switch between mechanical and electronic shutter for best effect? My GX80 can do this and I can't remember seeing any significant banding so it seems like a good system.

Switching to mechanical shutter is no good if you want silent shooting but for social photography the Panny has a pretty good system.
 
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Nuzik said:
I've not seen it or used it. You just quoted the maths. But I wouldn't pay 4k for a camera that has issues like that. I'd get the Leica SL for that money. I haven't seen banding on it.
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Now that really is a brick, they use them on the Photography show on Sky Arts.
When are you getting the SL, would be interested to hear your views? :)
 
twist said:
Well obviously if you're shooting at 20fps in the same scene which is likely the case at 20fps and it's under those effected conditions it wouldn't be 2% it would more than likely be a higher percentage.
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Would it though? I believe banding is a combination of the light source frequency, which is never constant, so you wouldn't get banding in every single shot at 20fps... it depends on a few variables including shutter speed. :)
 
Riz_Guru said:
Now that really is a brick, they use them on the Photography show on Sky Arts.
When are you getting the SL, would be interested to hear your views? :)
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I've used it! I can not afford it. That's the only thing stopping me get one. Dan Cook has bought his over a few times and it's a very nice looking camera in the flesh. And it just oozes class
 
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