The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

fstorm said:
till the A7riii comes out ...
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Sony is moving each generation on in the right direction, they are only on generation II of the A7 line and look how far they have come.
Many reviews say the A7RII is the first body which professional photographers could use with only the auto-focus abilities when using non-fast glass questionable.
If Sony can give us the A7RII at such a early stage of the A7's life, imagine what they can do with a few more years under the belt. :)
 
The A6300 seems to be moving the tech on for focus so I wonder if we'll see a move forward with the next generation of A7x cameras.
 
woof woof said:
The A6300 seems to be moving the tech on for focus so I wonder if we'll see a move forward with the next generation of A7x cameras.
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Highly likely, I think Sony need's to release a new Bionz X CPU to speed things up, moving massive full-frame image files needs higher speeds, it's easier with Crop sensors due to the smaller data that needs moving about.
But, I know that professional photographers using the A7II for weddings and they get on ok.
Reading the DPReview of the A7RII they say AF is better than DSLR's if you use fast lenses due to it being able to focus past down below f2.8 where traditional DSLR's max out.
 
If they get the a6300 focus speed or better into the next a7 wow just wow
 
Rizvan said:
Highly likely, I think Sony need's to release a new Bionz X CPU to speed things up, moving massive full-frame image files needs higher speeds, it's easier with Crop sensors due to the smaller data that needs moving about.
But, I know that professional photographers using the A7II for weddings and they get on ok.
Reading the DPReview of the A7RII they say AF is better than DSLR's if you use fast lenses due to it being able to focus past down below f2.8 where traditional DSLR's max out.
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Sure, you tell a working pro to compare an a7rii af to their d4s / 1dx because dpreview says it's... better lol. Cmon seriously, Owen are you buying this bs?
 
Af isn't there yet for the Sony ff. Twist is right about the d4 smoking the a7rii on af performance.

Compare a d4 and a7rii for landscape though and the d4 will be tapping out like a sissy.
 
Sony A9/A7RIII with integrated battery grip (dual batteries)
45.5mp BSI CMOS with on-board DRAM
Dual-Bionz X Processors
15fps RAW with 100 shot buffer
4D AF (A6300) with Eye-AF
Dual SD UHS III slots
4 million pixel 240fps with 100% coverage
4 million pixel touch-screen OLED screen
Full weather sealing
5-axis IBIS Gen 2
New Menu & GUI system
WiFi & NFC
New Application system with ability to ftp photos via integrated 4G (sim required)
Built-in commander for new Sony 2.4Ghz wireless flash system(s)

Did I miss anything :)
 
twist said:
Sure, you tell a working pro to compare an a7rii af to their d4s / 1dx because dpreview says it's... better lol. Cmon seriously, Owen are you buying this bs?
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No, the proof is out there on the Internet, plenty of professional photographers are using Sony bodies for their work.
I know somebody who uses a A7II for weddings after moving from a Canon 5DII.
My point is, you can use the A7RII at a professional level :) but probably not for long telephoto work or sports/Motorsport.
 
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addicknchips said:
Af isn't there yet for the Sony ff. Twist is right about the d4 smoking the a7rii on af performance.

Compare a d4 and a7rii for landscape though and the d4 will be tapping out like a sissy.
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Is the d4 a landscape camera? No. It has its purpose.
 
Rizvan said:
No, the proof is out there on the Internet, plenty of professional photographers are using Sony bodies for their work.
I know somebody who used a A7II for weddings after moving from a Canon 5DII.
My point is, you can use the A7RII at a professional level :)
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Wow, amazing because the 5dii af was class leading... not.
 
Rizvan said:
Oh dear, another rumour site error? Lol

"Irix announced a pair of ultra wide-angle, rectilinear manual focus 15mm F2.4 lenses available in Canon EF, Nikon F, Pentax K mounts – but contrary to pre-announcement buzz not in Sony E-mount."

http://briansmith.com/irix-announces-15mm-f2-4-lenses/ :)
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As they say, a broken clock is right twice a day, but it's still going to be wrong the other 23 hours, 59 minutes, and 58 seconds.
 
twist said:
Wasn't I quoting someone who said the a7rii apparently had better af than dslrs? Bold statement.
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And I said you were right about that..

I only went on to state that the Sony excels in other areas.
 
twist said:
Wasn't I quoting someone who said the a7rii apparently had better af than dslrs? Bold statement.
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"Better" is an incredibly subjective word though, which is why there's so many arguments about it.

From personal experience the AF is far more accurate than any DSLR I've ever used. If accuracy is your main metric, the A7RII has a "better" AF system. If you're shooting fast moving subjects, something like the D5 as has been said, will easily outperform in though. In that case the DSLR has a "better" AF system. However some people like to focus on things outside of a poxy little diamond in the middle of the frame. A DSLR can't even do that without dropping into live view mode - so obviously the A7RII has a "better" AF system... and so it goes on.

If more people were specific about what was better and WHY, there would be a lot less shouting on places like dpreview.
 
addicknchips said:
Af isn't there yet for the Sony ff. Twist is right about the d4 smoking the a7rii on af performance.

Compare a d4 and a7rii for landscape though and the d4 will be tapping out like a sissy.
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Isn't that complete horses***? I mean AF for landscaping isn't exactly a taxing use of the camera, its the one field in which people are almost more likely to manual focus, why would an A7rii suddenly be too much better than a D4/D5?
 
Rizvan said:
No, the proof is out there on the Internet, plenty of professional photographers are using Sony bodies for their work.
I know somebody who uses a A7II for weddings after moving from a Canon 5DII.
My point is, you can use the A7RII at a professional level :) but probably not for long telephoto work or sports/Motorsport.
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Theres people using Fuji X-Pro 1's at a professional level and its AF is probably worse than my Samsung Mobile Phone!!
 
Crossroads said:
"Better" is an incredibly subjective word though, which is why there's so many arguments about it.

From personal experience the AF is far more accurate than any DSLR I've ever used. If accuracy is your main metric, the A7RII has a "better" AF system. If you're shooting fast moving subjects, something like the D5 as has been said, will easily outperform in though. In that case the DSLR has a "better" AF system. However some people like to focus on things outside of a poxy little diamond in the middle of the frame. A DSLR can't even do that without dropping into live view mode - so obviously the A7RII has a "better" AF system... and so it goes on.

If more people were specific about what was better and WHY, there would be a lot less shouting on places like dpreview.
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Exactly. Better is very subjective. 100% agree with your post. If I were a 'slow' shooter in good light a mirrorless would be way 'better' but because I take photos of moving subjects in various light a dslr is way better... for me.
 
chrism_scotland said:
Theres people using Fuji X-Pro 1's at a professional level and its AF is probably worse than my Samsung Mobile Phone!!
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Exactly, so it all comes down to each individual and if he/she can use a mirrorless body at a professional level or not. If it delivers what they need then fine, if not, time to look at other alternatives etc. :)
 
Rizvan said:
DPReview....

http://m.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-alpha-7r-ii/12

DxO also have the A7RII at their number one spot with Nikon in second, just 1 point behind.
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Read some real reviews everyone knows dpview is massively biased towards Sony these days. Go on fm forums etc and find out what people with both systems say. It's the usual thing. Also, dxo doesn't take processing into their results, if you put a Sony camera next to a nikon camera with the same spec the nikon always looks better. It's not just about base sensor results Mr guru.
 
chrism_scotland said:
Isn't that complete horses***? I mean AF for landscaping isn't exactly a taxing use of the camera, its the one field in which people are almost more likely to manual focus, why would an A7rii suddenly be too much better than a D4/D5?
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see my second response to him
 
twist said:
Read some real reviews everyone knows dpview is massively biased towards Sony these days. Go on fm forums etc and find out what people with both systems say. It's the usual thing. Also, dxo doesn't take processing into their results, if you put a Sony camera next to a nikon camera with the same spec the nikon always looks better. It's not just about base sensor results Mr guru.
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But no Nikon does 43mp ;) lol
 
twist said:
Wow I'm so amazed by 42mp over 36mp. No really. No not really. Canon does 50mp what's your point?
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It's still an advantage over say a Nikon D810.
Just like the D4s has a AF Tracking advantage over a A7RII.
Point is, each has its merits :)
Nikon D750 prices have dropped mmmmm I could squeeze one into my case perhaps ;) lol
Slowly & Brickon living in one case in perfect harmony :)
 
Rizvan said:
Highly likely, I think Sony need's to release a new Bionz X CPU to speed things up, moving massive full-frame image files needs higher speeds, it's easier with Crop sensors due to the smaller data that needs moving about.
But, I know that professional photographers using the A7II for weddings and they get on ok.
Reading the DPReview of the A7RII they say AF is better than DSLR's if you use fast lenses due to it being able to focus past down below f2.8 where traditional DSLR's max out.
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With higher mp counts, "better" focus performance and faster processors we'll almost certainly be looking at higher power requirements which could impact on the battery life to shots ratio which is already something that puts some people off. Future cameras could have meatier batteries though.
 
woof woof said:
With higher mp counts, "better" focus performance and faster processors we'll almost certainly be looking at higher power requirements which could impact on the battery life to shots ratio which is already something that puts some people off. Future cameras could have meatier batteries though.
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Or Sony could make a 12 slot auto-load battery magazine like a machine gun lol
 
Rizvan said:
Or Sony could make a 12 slot auto-load battery magazine like a machine gun lol
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You should patent that before they think of it.

I would say that those worried about battery life could use a grip but these come with a size penalty and then we'll have Sony threads like that Leica SL one :D

I keep thinking back to a review of the Sigma Merrill thingy I watched... apparently you get maybe 12 shots per battery but that's ok as in the old days you only got 12 shots on a roll of film :D

200-300 shots from a Sony? When I wer' lad we lived in paper bag at side of 't road and used to dreeeeeeam of getting more than 12 shots. And we were stuck with one ISO setting per roll. Youngsters today don't know they're born :D
 
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you get about 70 odd average, but the battery is smaller physicaly i think, someone designed a interesting grip for the sigma, it held a spare battery. but the battery door is sprung loaded so thats a bonus over e mount :)

but a bigger battery means more weight and bigger grip, but many people swapped because the a7 is small and light, and adding these physical things pumps up the weight and size, decreasing that difference
 
Went to the show yesterday.

Tried the new GM 24-70 on my camera (very nice lens) and took a few snaps, then the same snaps with my f4. Haven't had chance to have a look at them yet as the PC in my camper is playing up for some reason but I'll post the Raw files to Dropbox hopefully later for anyone interested.

Didn't try the new 85 and the new 70-200 2.8 was not able to be demoed.

On the Zeiss stand I tried the two Batis lenses. Both are lovely (no surprise their). If anyone is after one and can get to the show, Zeiss have them to take away, and have a discount on all lenses for the show.
Prices are:
Batis 25 - £829
Batis 85 - £769
Loxia 21 - £935
Loxia 35 - £829
Loxia 50 - £609
So wish I wasn't moving house next week :)

I also went to the IRIX stand to see the rumoured new 15mm. Not available yet for E-mount but will be soon. Very nice lens build quality wise, obviously couldn't check the optical performance. It's not made by Samyang, the aperture control is electronic, with the hood removed it can take normal filters, there are two models coming out (not sure what the difference is) and they are priced at £400 and £500. On paper they seem the perfect astro photography lens for Sony so I'll keep an eye on these.

I tried the Laowa (is that right?) 15mm wide angle. This is a funny lens as it's a macro. I could shoot literally touching an object with it. Again I have sample images and will try to post the Raw's.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, I was looking for a good tripod. Of course there were loads and I must have tried 50 yesterday, but wasn't planning on buying. This changed when I tried a Vanguard model, the ABEO Plus 323CB. This is a tall tripod that with the centre column down makes my viewfinder exactly eye level for me (6ft). With the centre column up it's way a above my head. The carbon legs are oversized and this thing is really solid and sturdy. It came with a surprisingly good ballhead, the BBH-200.

They had 10 of these on offer as discontinued for £200 so I bought one. The head alone is £150 in Wex so I think I got a great bargain.
 
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Wissel said:
Went to the show yesterday.

Tried the new GM 24-70 on my camera (very nice lens) and took a few snaps, then the same snaps with my f4. Haven't had chance to have a look at them yet as the PC in my camper is playing up for some reason but I'll post the Raw files to Dropbox hopefully later for anyone interested.

Didn't try the new 85 and the new 70-200 2.8 was not able to be demoed.

On the Zeiss stand I tried the two Batis lenses. Both are lovely (no surprise their). If anyone is after one and can get to the show, Zeiss have them to take away, and have a discount on all lenses for the show.
Prices are:
Batis 25 - £829
Batis 85 - £769
Loxia 21 - £935
Loxia 35 - £829
Loxia 50 - £609
So wish I wasn't moving house next week :)

I also went to the IRIX stand to see the rumoured new 15mm. Not available yet for E-mount but will be soon. Very nice lens build quality wise, obviously couldn't check the optical performance. It's not made by Samyang, the aperture control is electronic, with the hood removed it can take normal filters, there are two models coming out (not sure what the difference is) and they are priced at £400 and £500. On paper they seen the perfect astro photography lens foe Sony so I'll keep an eye on these.

I tried the Laowa (is that right?) 15mm wide angle. This is a funny lens as it's a macro. I could shoot literally touching an object with it. Again I have sample images and will try to post the Raw's.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, I was looking for a good tripod. Of course there were loads and I must have tried 50 yesterday, but wasn't planning on buying. This changed when I tried a Vanguard model, the ABEO Plus 323CB. This is a tall tripod that with the centre column down makes my viewfinder exactly eye level for me (6ft). With the centre column up it's way a above my head. The carbon legs are oversized and this thing is really solid and sturdy. It came with a surprisingly good ballhead, the BBH-200.

They had 10 of these on offer as discontinued for £200 so I bought one. The head alone is £150 in Wex so I think I got a great bargain.
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Wow that's a considerable discount on the Batis lenses.
 
addicknchips said:
Wow that's a considerable discount on the Batis lenses.
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I know dude, was hard not to buy believe me :)

Especially when I said I can't as moving house. They said well spend £3k and we'll give you interest free credit. For a few minutes I was very, very tempted.

My Missus is very tolerant. But I think she may have been less than impressed if I came back with 2 x Batis and 2 x Loxia :)
 
Wissel said:
I know dude, was hard not to buy believe me :)

Especially when I said I can't as moving house. They said well spend £3k and we'll give you interest free credit. For a few minutes I was very, very tempted.

My Missus is very tolerant. But I think she may have been less than impressed if I came back with 2 x Batis and 2 x Loxia :)
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Considering I paid £979 for the 25mm two weeks ago, you could of spun at as bargain of the year :)
 
Wissel said:
On the Zeiss stand I tried the two Batis lenses. Both are lovely (no surprise their). If anyone is after one and can get to the show, Zeiss have them to take away, and have a discount on all lenses for the show.
Prices are:
Batis 25 - £829
Batis 85 - £769
Loxia 21 - £935
Loxia 35 - £829
Loxia 50 - £609
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Those are some pretty sweet deals, especially for lenses you can buy there and then instead of waiting months for.
 
Wissel said:
Cornwall. Can't buy any A7 stuff in Cornwall so the show seemed a really good idea for me, especially as my Dad lives in Derby. Where you based?
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Bloody hell that was a journey and a half! I love Cornwall.
I'm in St. Albans, Hertfordshire
 
Rizvan said:
Sony A9/A7RIII with integrated battery grip (dual batteries)
45.5mp BSI CMOS with on-board DRAM
Dual-Bionz X Processors
15fps RAW with 100 shot buffer
4D AF (A6300) with Eye-AF
Dual SD UHS III slots
4 million pixel 240fps with 100% coverage
4 million pixel touch-screen OLED screen
Full weather sealing
5-axis IBIS Gen 2
New Menu & GUI system
WiFi & NFC
New Application system with ability to ftp photos via integrated 4G (sim required)
Built-in commander for new Sony 2.4Ghz wireless flash system(s)

Did I miss anything :)
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WTF does any of that mean anyway? Bibble bibble bibble.
canon nerd wet dream.jpg
Aperture,shutter speed,film.
Where's the pink elephant?

( I miss the days of chrome film and a hand held meter smiley).
 
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