The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

twist said:
Its going to have to drop a hell of a lot before Id consider it, got my eye on the X pro 2 and a selection of fast primes.
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I assume that if you get a Fuji you'll be doing as you've done here every few pages and complaining about the size of the lenses and them being the size of DSLR lenses? :D

I do like the look of the Fuji's but size wise they seem to compete more with the A7 series (I'd be looking at primes) and image quality wise they seem to compete more with MFT. Have to see what the new 2 is like but have to say that if going APS-C I'd go Sony A6000 series and could well do as a placement for my MFT if they bring out a nice compact 24mm f1.8. Honestly don't see any appeal in the Fuji's apart from the manual dials but that's me and each to his own and good luck choosing.
 
woof woof said:
I assume that if you get a Fuji you'll be doing as you've done here every few pages and complaining about the size of the lenses and them being the size of DSLR lenses? :D

I do like the look of the Fuji's but size wise they seem to compete more with the A7 series (I'd be looking at primes) and image quality wise they seem to compete more with MFT. Have to see what the new 2 is like but have to say that if going APS-C I'd go Sony A6000 series and could well do as a placement for my MFT if they bring out a nice compact 24mm f1.8. Honestly don't see any appeal in the Fuji's apart from the manual dials but that's me and each to his own and good luck choosing.
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No, because they arent. Unlike you, Ive used the system before so I know what to expect and dont just whinge about systems Ive never used ;)

Are you saying the A7 native lenses arent the size of DSLR lenses?

Ironic that final paragraph. But thanks. (y)
 
Would you guys really use the f1.2 a lot? If so what for?

To me one of the advantages of the latest cameras is that the higher ISO's are quite good meaning that you don't have to shoot at very wide apertures.
 
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woof woof said:
Would you guys really use the f1.2 a lot? If so what for?

To me one of the advantages of the latest cameras is that the higher ISO's are quite good meaning that you don't have to shoot at very wide apertures.
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BOKEH baby
 
twist said:
The opposite, its very good, @F1.2 its tack sharp, renders nicely OOF. AF is a bit slower than the excellent 23 1.4 but its a lot of glass to move.
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I had considered picking up a cheap X-e1 and getting that lens. But then I'd end up running 3 camera systems
 
addicknchips said:
BOKEH baby
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Well yes but there's a time, place and subject for it and IMO it can be overdone. To be honest I can't think of an occasion I've wanted to use my f1.2 at f1.2 other than when testing it. Mostly I'd rather shoot at an aperture that suits the subject and that usually means stopping down and upping the ISO.
 
addicknchips said:
I had considered picking up a cheap X-e1 and getting that lens. But then I'd end up running 3 camera systems
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Wouldn't you get "better" bokeh from FF and a 85mm f1.4?

PS. I know I'm getting boring... if you like the lens just buy it and a body to put it on :D
 
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Just emailed wex about the batis 85mm asking how long the pre order queue is and they said people who ordered in November are still waiting
 
woof woof said:
Well yes but there's a time, place and subject for it and IMO it can be overdone. To be honest I can't think of an occasion I've wanted to use my f1.2 at f1.2 other than when testing it. Mostly I'd rather shoot at an aperture that suits the subject and that usually means stopping down and upping the ISO.
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It's not for everyone but it's nice to have the option to get creative.
 
woof woof said:
Wouldn't you get "better" bokeh from FF and a 85mm f1.4?

PS. I know I'm getting boring... if you like the lens just buy it and a body to put it on :D
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Possibly. Hence considering a Nikon and sigma combo. Again.
 
addicknchips said:
It's not for everyone but it's nice to have the option to get creative.
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Yes, but looking at the spec... 56mm f1.2 on APS-C, isn't it about the same as 85mm f1.8 on FF?

I have an 85mm f1.8 and a 50mm f1.2 and if I had an APS-C camera I'd do some comparison shots just out of interest... but I have an A7 and MFT, no APS-C.
 
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woof woof said:
Yes, but looking at the spec... 56mm f1.2 on APS-C, isn't it about the same as 85mm f1.8 on FF?

I have and 85mm f1.8 and a 50mm f1.2 and if I had an APS-C camera I'd do some comparison shots just out of interest... but I have an A7 and MFT, no APS-C.
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Exactly. And look at the 85mm options for Sony. Zeiss. Quite expensive and a little on the rare side. The g master - not out yet and a little on the pricey side. So have looked at other options to get a fast 85ish prime.
 
woof woof said:
Yes, but looking at the spec... 56mm f1.2 on APS-C, isn't it about the same as 85mm f1.8 on FF?

I have an 85mm f1.8 and a 50mm f1.2 and if I had an APS-C camera I'd do some comparison shots just out of interest... but I have an A7 and MFT, no APS-C.
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As I keep saying, the Sigma 85mm f1.4 was probably the best AF lens I'd ever used before buying into the A7 system.
 
addicknchips said:
Exactly. And look at the 85mm options for Sony. Zeiss. Quite expensive and a little on the rare side. The g master - not out yet and a little on the pricey side. So have looked at other options to get a fast 85ish prime.
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If you are happy to MF then you could get a 85mm f1.8 for something between £100-200. Might satisfy the GAS for a while and you could probably sell it for what you paid. Maybe. You could even splash out and get an old 85mm f1.2 for your Sony.
 
addicknchips said:
Exactly. And look at the 85mm options for Sony. Zeiss. Quite expensive and a little on the rare side. The g master - not out yet and a little on the pricey side. So have looked at other options to get a fast 85ish prime.
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Surely a Canon 85mm on adapter would be considerably less expensive than buying a new Nikon body :p
 
woof woof said:
Would you guys really use the f1.2 a lot? If so what for?

To me one of the advantages of the latest cameras is that the higher ISO's are quite good meaning that you don't have to shoot at very wide apertures.
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Yeah, shallow DOF and faster shutter speed or lower ISO.
 
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Just remembered I took a tight head shot of my GF last summer with 85mm at f1.8. Her eyeballs are sharp but her eyebrows and teeth are already out of the DoF. At greater distance you'll get more DoF but this still illustrates why I'd rather stop the lens down a bit and use a higher ISO, there just isn't too much I want to shoot and end up with DoF so thin.
 
woof woof said:
Just remembered I took a tight head shot of my GF last summer with 85mm at f1.8. Her eyeballs are sharp but her eyebrows and teeth are already out of the DoF. At greater distance you'll get more DoF but this still illustrates why I'd rather stop the lens down a bit and use a higher ISO, there just isn't too much I want to shoot and end up with DoF so thin.
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But shoot from a distance and things change. You still get shallower DOF overall in the image and it can make the images pop much more.
 
twist said:
But shoot from a distance and things change. You still get shallower DOF overall in the image and it can make the images pop much more.
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I did mention distance :D but are we talking about geeks looking at shallow DoF and bokeh and cooing or something that suits the shot?

I suppose other things to consider could include the shutter speed and as some but maybe not all Fuji's don't have 1/8000 second mechanical shutter available that gets us into ND's and electronic shutters and the possible niggles and annoyances these things can cause and there's also the possibility of optical nasties which may be associated with such wide apertures.

But as I said earlier, I'm just being a party pooper here... buy the lens and something to use it on :D
 
JYC said:
Surely a Canon 85mm on adapter would be considerably less expensive than buying a new Nikon body :p
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Should have mentioned that I'd like to have Nikon along side the Sony set up. I love the Sony system, the more I use it the more I'm impressed - especially the zeiss optics. But I also miss dslr
 
woof woof said:
I did mention distance :D but are we talking about geeks looking at shallow DoF and bokeh and cooing or something that suits the shot?

I suppose other things to consider could include the shutter speed and as some but maybe not all Fuji's don't have 1/8000 second mechanical shutter available that gets us into ND's and electronic shutters and the possible niggles and annoyances these things can cause and there's also the possibility of optical nasties which may be associated with such wide apertures.

But as I said earlier, I'm just being a party pooper here... buy the lens and something to use it on :D
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Well it depends, you like more DOF, others like less. Im sure we can all shoot the way we want to.

The new Fuji has a 1/8000 mechanical and most other fujis have 1/4000. So that issues gone, older Fujis just use a ND, not an issue. The Fuji 1.2 isnt of the old breed of 1.2 lenses, they are all optically very good. Agreed though elec shutter can cause strange things.

BUY BUY BUY, only live once. :D
 
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twist said:
Well it depends, you like more DOF, others like less. Im sure we can all shoot the way we want to.

The new Fuji has a 1/8000 mechanical and most other fujis have 1/4000. So that issues gone, older Fujis just use a ND, not an issue. The Fuji 1.2 isnt of the old breed of 1.2 lenses, they are all optically very good. Agreed though elec shutter can cause strange things.

BUY BUY BUY, only live once. :D
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And may be living in the garden if/when my wife finds out I have 3 camera systems
 
addicknchips said:
Tried that. Af let me down in a big way.
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If you really want to use wide apertures is AF the way to go? It'll focus quickly on something... but with MF, if you have the time, you can choose exactly what your point of focus is.

I suppose this is just more geek territory as in a whole image whatever is the point of focus might not actually be all that visible.

66.67% crop at 85mm and f1.8, very little in the DoF...

 
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woof woof said:
If you really want to use wide apertures is AF the way to go? It'll focus quickly on something... but with MF, if you have the time, you can choose exactly what your point of focus is.

I suppose this is just more geek territory as in a whole image whatever is the point of focus might not actually be all that visible.
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I dont know about that, I exclusively shoot at F1.2 / F1.4 and dont have many OOF shots at all. If I had to MF Id never get any pictures in focus as my subjects tend to move and I dont have time to mess about, as you say timed/posed stuff its okay.

e.g. I have 51 points, choosing 1 point in AFC, I can move it rapidly over an eye etc and achieve lock pretty much instantly and get the shot.
 
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woof woof said:
If you really want to use wide apertures is AF the way to go? It'll focus quickly on something... but with MF, if you have the time, you can choose exactly what your point of focus is.

I suppose this is just more geek territory as in a whole image whatever is the point of focus might not actually be all that visible.

66.67% crop at 85mm and f1.8, very little in the DoF...

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I was using the 55 at a kids party I was shooting. Needed to get closer without moving. Tried the canon 85 adapted and it hunted so badly I didn't get any shots I was actually trying for.
I don't mind manual focusing - sometimes it's fun. But not ideal for kids trotting around. Or maybe it's just my bad technique.
 
addicknchips said:
I was using the 55 at a kids party I was shooting. Needed to get closer without moving. Tried the canon 85 adapted and it hunted so badly I didn't get any shots I was actually trying for.
I don't mind manual focusing - sometimes it's fun. But not ideal for kids trotting around. Or maybe it's just my bad technique.
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You aint getting nothing moving with shallow DOF using MF. Especially not kids.
 
twist said:
I dont know about that, I exclusively shoot at F1.2 / F1.4 and dont have many OOF shots at all. If I had to MF Id never get any pictures in focus as my subjects tend to move and I dont have time to mess about, as you say timed/posed stuff its okay.
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I wonder how your camera knows if you want to focus on the surface of an eye or on an eyelash or indeed which eyelash :D

Haven't seen many pictures posted by you but I could have missed them, actually I don't know what you shoot so what subject do you find suitable for f1.2/1,4?
 
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addicknchips said:
I was using the 55 at a kids party I was shooting. Needed to get closer without moving. Tried the canon 85 adapted and it hunted so badly I didn't get any shots I was actually trying for.
I don't mind manual focusing - sometimes it's fun. But not ideal for kids trotting around. Or maybe it's just my bad technique.
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Peaking might get you good enough results. I find peaking at wide apertures to be quite accurate as not much peaks... and for whole images rather than heavy crops and for shots at distance the results may be ok. Dunno. Worth a try maybe?
 
the minolta 85mm 1.4 a mount has wonderful rendering, if you have suitable camera or adapter
 
woof woof said:
I wonder how your camera know if you want to focus on the surface of an eye or on an eyelash or indeed which eyelash :D

Haven't seen many pictures posted by you but I could have missed them, actually I don't know what you shoot so what subject do you find suitable for f1.2/1,4?
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The DOF isnt that shallow. Im not shooting macro distance eye only shots. Most stuff is people / kids on location and studio, days out I tend to shoot random stuff, anything that interests me. Dont get me wrong, I do use smaller apertures if I feel the scene requires it. Exclusively probably wasnt the 'best' choice of word but its pretty much 85-90% of my stuff. I love the way a fast lens renders a subject even at distance / full body shots etc.
 
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twist said:
You aint getting nothing moving with shallow DOF using MF. Especially not kids.
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oh yeah? 200% crop from MFT at f0.95, not even peaking to help me :D



and yes, she was moving.
 
woof woof said:
oh yeah? 200% crop from MFT at f0.95, not even peaking to help me :D



and yes, she was moving.
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So thats 50mm F2. equiv. Looks like a pose to me and decent timing on your part. Do you think you couldve gotten a continued hit rate of say 80% like a good AF system would?
 
twist said:
So thats 50mm F2. equiv. Looks like a pose to me and decent timing on your part. Do you think you couldve gotten a continued hit rate of say 80% like a good AF system would?
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You want to get a kid that age to pose? Come on... :D Waiting for the moment maybe but you'll be doing that with AF too :D
 
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