The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

twist said:
I think Ill go with 36MP A7rii with the same sensor trickery Olympus is using in the EM5ii to make the extra MP.

5-axis IBIS - duh!
Body like A7 II - duh!
Better AF / Tracking - Better as in A7ii 'better'
Improved RAW - Hopefully
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The thing is that unless the sensor shift is miles and miles better than the Olympus, its hard to see how they would have shot the image in question using it, multishot only works on fully static subjects at present.
 
chrism_scotland said:
The thing is that unless the sensor shift is miles and miles better than the Olympus, its hard to see how they would have shot the image in question using it, multishot only works on fully static subjects at present.
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Never looked at the sample tbh so youre probably right, that blows that theory. I cant imagine what kind of computer youd need to process 56MP files very quickly, I have a fast PC and I still noticed some annoying lag in LR with D800 files in comparison to 24MP files.

If the A7rii is 56/59MP native I dont think they will be doing themselves any favours. Its to specialist imo.
 
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twist said:
Never looked at the sample tbh so youre probably right, that blows that theory. I cant imagine what kind of computer youd need to process 56MP files very quickly, I have a fast PC and I still noticed some annoying lag in LR with D800 files in comparison to 24MP files.

If the A7rii is 56/59MP native I dont think they will be doing themselves any favours. Its to specialist imo.
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Yeah thats why I can see 2x models a 36MP for most sane people and 50mp+ for those who want to print a shot large enough to cover The Shard?......
I know what you mean about the D800 files my laptop doesn't struggle but its not easy managing them when 1 days shooting can be 20-30 GB......
 
More good news folks.... :)

Tamron to start making FE lenses and Sony bringing out a 50mm f1.8 and possible MKII for the FE 55mm f1.8 Zeiss (see patents below)

Tamron -
http://www.dailycameranews.com/2015/04/tamron-fe-90mm-f2-8-macro-lens-patent/
"Along with the FE 90mm f/2.8 Macro, Tamron has filed several new lens patents for Sony Full Frame mirrorless cameras. Pending patents are 120mm f/2.8, 60mm f/2.8, 180mm f/2.8, 300mm f/2.8 lenses"

Sony -
http://www.dailycameranews.com/2015/04/sony-fe-50mm-f1-8-lens-patent/
Along with the FE 50mm f/1.8 prime lens, pending patent also include the Sonnar FE 55 mm F1.8 ZA lens.

Interesting to see another FE 55mm Sonnar Zeiss lens!! MKII ? :eek:

So it looks like Tamron might be the first option at real alternative FE lenses to the Sony offerings.
Sigma will surely follow..... :)
 
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Great stuff and nice to see the 28mm getting good test results.
 
Not holding my breath over another over priced Sony lens but good news to see Tamron (bring on the 24-70) and others are looking towards the FE system. Maybe some sensible pricing may come from the third parties. B
 
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For me actually the worry isn't so much the price as the bulk and weight. Tamron and Sigma make some lovely lenses but I hope they don't just take relatively big and relatively heavy DSLR lenses off the shelf and weld a FE mount to them, that wouldn't interest me. What might is a lens designed from day one to be FE and hopefully with a passing interest in reducing the bulk and weight.

And... Looking at the results so far for the Batty 85mm it looks as if it's going to be a very good lens even if it relies on in camera or post capture correction.

So, so far we have a lovely 55mm, a very nice 35mm f2.8 and even nicer but bigger f1.4, what looks to be a very good 85, 25 and 28mm (again relying on corrections.)

Things seem to be looking good (after corrections of course :D)

I'm still think what I'll do, go AF or stick with just the AF 55mm and manual everything else. Hmmm...
 
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woof woof said:
For me actually the worry isn't so much the price as the bulk and weight. Tamron and Sigma make some lovely lenses but I hope they don't just take relatively big and relatively heavy DSLR lenses off the shelf
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I'd take bulk and weight any day over silly prices, providing the quality is there of course.
 
I wonder if the Zeiss Batis 85mm f1.8 will beat the Sony Zeiss 55mm f1.8 in terms of IQ, Boke, sharpness etc
 
Rizvan said:
I wonder if the Zeiss Batis 85mm f1.8 will beat the Sony Zeiss 55mm f1.8 in terms of IQ, Boke, sharpness etc
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Well, one thought that all these lovely lenses raises is how good do we need lenses to be?

Using my 55mm f1.8 and old lenses has made me think about what I want and at the moment I don't actually know what I want :D

I suppose the obvious answer to the question of how good do we want lenses to be is "Very Good" but pin sharpness across the frame and all of the other excellence is one thing... but I actually like the little (or not so little) less goodness of the older lenses. The softness, the vignetting etc gve a look... but I'm not so much into the purple fringing.

I suppose with a very good lens you can add imperfections post capture :D
 
All these concerns over processing power for 56-59mp files is a bit pointless in my opinion, people will choose the higher megapixel or the lower megapixel cameras regardless of what their computers can handle. These are the kind of technologies that push the computer manufacturers and chip makers to push the envelope and put more grunt into their systems to cope, it's all good and a mute point in my opinion. If you will buy your camera according to what your computer can handle today, it may not be a wise decision. Go for the best you can, technology will keep up with demand no matter how pointless you think high megapixels are
 
5abi said:
All these concerns over processing power for 56-59mp files is a bit pointless in my opinion, people will choose the higher megapixel or the lower megapixel cameras regardless of what their computers can handle. These are the kind of technologies that push the computer manufacturers and chip makers to push the envelope and put more grunt into their systems to cope, it's all good and a mute point in my opinion. If you will buy your camera according to what your computer can handle today, it may not be a wise decision. Go for the best you can, technology will keep up with demand no matter how pointless you think high megapixels are
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It's also a little pointless buying a camera that's to powerful for your computer. Technology has to catch up and depending on your usage that may be an incredibly frustrating wait and it also means another £1.5-2k. You either need the pixels or don't but I wouldn't say it's best to get the most pixels just because that are available.
 
5abi said:
All these concerns over processing power for 56-59mp files is a bit pointless in my opinion, people will choose the higher megapixel or the lower megapixel cameras regardless of what their computers can handle. These are the kind of technologies that push the computer manufacturers and chip makers to push the envelope and put more grunt into their systems to cope, it's all good and a mute point in my opinion. If you will buy your camera according to what your computer can handle today, it may not be a wise decision. Go for the best you can, technology will keep up with demand no matter how pointless you think high megapixels are
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Couldn't disagree more. My Mac is quite old and I've seen the effect 24mp files have on it (just about ok). I certainly wouldn't invest in an expensive camera knowing id also need to upgrade my computer to cope with such massive files.
 
Don't expect everyone to agree. My opinions are mine and computing power is not a concern for me. I will adjust my equipment according to what technology throws at me, besides the at things are moving, we won't need all that power in your home, cloud computing is your answer. Companies like Dropbox are swiftly integrating to multiple cloud tools. In no time you will have someone integrating with Adobe cloud and AWS and then people will follow suit. Tools like Dropbox will start making apps for WiFi enabled cameras like the a7 and then you have fuller richer system that moves files for you and makes them avaliable to cloud computing services for editing through a browser. Sony will do the same and make their tools available online to deal with the raw files. Furthermore the tools will be constantly updated and they will improve those tools with time, Sony will be able to fix shortcomings with the camera hardware lenses and bodiea through their online raw codecs and tools right at import. The problem is that you guys are thinking in the "now". Look at all the angles guys.
 
5abi said:
The problem is that you guys are thinking in the "now". Look at all the angles guys.
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I try to take a different view.

I've pretty much given up printing and the vast majority of pictures I take are either just for me or shared with family and friends in electronic format 2000 pixels wide. Occasionally someone wants a full sized image or even a smallish print which will be less than A4 and the biggest prints I've ever done are A3 and my 8mp 20D and 12mp 5D were good enough for that so... to be honest 24mp is very possibly overkill for me.

I think that professionals in one field or another will buy the 50mp cameras and I suppose amateurs who either have a genuine or otherwise need for 50mp will too and all that will help raise the profile of the system and I suppose help it in the long term and lead to more interesting kit for people like me at the bottom of the food chain :D
 
5abi said:
Don't expect everyone to agree. My opinions are mine and computing power is not a concern for me. I will adjust my equipment according to what technology throws at me, besides the at things are moving, we won't need all that power in your home, cloud computing is your answer. Companies like Dropbox are swiftly integrating to multiple cloud tools. In no time you will have someone integrating with Adobe cloud and AWS and then people will follow suit. Tools like Dropbox will start making apps for WiFi enabled cameras like the a7 and then you have fuller richer system that moves files for you and makes them avaliable to cloud computing services for editing through a browser. Sony will do the same and make their tools available online to deal with the raw files. Furthermore the tools will be constantly updated and they will improve those tools with time, Sony will be able to fix shortcomings with the camera hardware lenses and bodiea through their online raw codecs and tools right at import. The problem is that you guys are thinking in the "now". Look at all the angles guys.
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wifi is slowww though
i get about 5meg a second when its going fast with my tablet and normal router
usb3 card reader u can easily dump at 80meg a second, and as cards get faster thats going to improve

wifi also eats battery and can be clunky and awkward
 
Certainly the view that software should be written for the next (not current) hardware was strongly advocated in a MIcrosoft book written by the designer of one of their products. I can see the point, but don't want to have to upgrade my computer every time Microsoft bring out a new OS which I have to use because the software I want won't run on the version I'm using.

That said, I was quite happy editing files far larger than any digital camera currently produces (as far as I know) on a 512KB RAM computer running Win NT4. The OS was more efficient than current ones.

I don't share on line, and the print is my final output, so megapixels matter to me (insofar as they guarantee me detail in the prints (A3 minimum size)). Similarly, I don't make many exposures, so I expect to spend time over each one. We are getting to the limits set by lens and the laws of physics though with the small full frame sensors (which is why 5x4 is still my medium of choice). The Sony a7r is a compromise for me that works as an easily carried camera for snapshots that can be used at a pinch for more important (to me) work.
 
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raw files are more demanding on editting vs a tiff i think, due to de moasaicing and stuff applied on top
 
99% of folks just look at there pictures on there PC/phone/ipad or share them via email and Facebook...........we already have 60 MP cameras for the professional guys that want to print 15 ft x 8 ft........let them buy the big MP cameras ............24MP is way to much already with todays technologies
 
ndwgolf said:
99% of folks just look at there pictures on there PC/phone/ipad or share them via email and Facebook...........we already have 60 MP cameras for the professional guys that want to print 15 ft x 8 ft........let them buy the big MP cameras ............24MP is way to much already with todays technologies
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You will look back at this post and laugh nervously. Nothing is ever enough.
 
5abi said:
You will look back at this post and laugh nervously. Nothing is ever enough.
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For some but others will engage their brains, wind in their machismo and decide at some point "This is enough for me."

Until holographic photography comes along :D or summot :D like a new 50mm f1.2 :D
 
5abi said:
You will look back at this post and laugh nervously. Nothing is ever enough.
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I hear you but am I correct or not?
I have a bunch of pictures on my website here that were taken with D3s / D4s that are 12MP and can easily be printed on 30 x 20 canvas and they look great. I have a D800 and have tried stitching 6 to 10 images together in Photoshop and its a PAIN believe me and I have the latest and greatest Mac Pro trying to process them. We have just sold my wife's a7r and will pick up a a7ii next Saturday for the very reason of having to deal with the large files and slooooooooooow AF.
Maybe in 5 years time 36 or 50MP files will be easy to handle but as of 2015 I would say stick to 24MP max..........my two pennies worth :)
 
Interesting. Back in 2004 I was processing files 7 times larger than the raw files from my a7r and didn't find it a problem. (I just checked the date stamps on the files.) Possibly you handle a large volume and I don't?
 
There is no denying that there are hardware and software constraints right now. All I am saying, is don't let these constraints stop you from buying the best camera you can right know.
 
You may argue, what the hell do I do right now? Well, let's put our collective minds to do the thinking. I can think of a few things :)
 
5abi said:
You may argue, what the hell do I do right now? Well, let's put our collective minds to do the thinking. I can think of a few things :)
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What is it that you want? I think you said above that you don't want 50mp? Maybe 12? 24? 36? To me there's enough choice now. I went for the original 24mp A7 but had the A7s been out at the time I might actually have gone for that as the 8mp of my 20D and 12mp of my 5D were enough.

What exactly do you want?
 
5abi said:
Don't expect everyone to agree. My opinions are mine and computing power is not a concern for me. I will adjust my equipment according to what technology throws at me, besides the at things are moving, we won't need all that power in your home, cloud computing is your answer. Companies like Dropbox are swiftly integrating to multiple cloud tools. In no time you will have someone integrating with Adobe cloud and AWS and then people will follow suit. Tools like Dropbox will start making apps for WiFi enabled cameras like the a7 and then you have fuller richer system that moves files for you and makes them avaliable to cloud computing services for editing through a browser. Sony will do the same and make their tools available online to deal with the raw files. Furthermore the tools will be constantly updated and they will improve those tools with time, Sony will be able to fix shortcomings with the camera hardware lenses and bodiea through their online raw codecs and tools right at import. The problem is that you guys are thinking in the "now". Look at all the angles guys.
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No, cloud computing is not the answer for all, connections aren't fast enough and not everyone wants all their data floating around for others to access. It must be nice to live 10 years in the future but I live in the present and as it stands don't require nor want a 50mp camera. I prefer my workflow to be as seamless as possible not a pita.
 
5abi said:
There is no denying that there are hardware and software constraints right now. All I am saying, is don't let these constraints stop you from buying the best camera you can right know.
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Why does high mp make a camera the best, that would be a ridiculous statement.
 
twist said:
Why does high mp make a camera the best, that would be a ridiculous statement.
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To me anyone thinking of buying kit should start at the end of the process and work back over.

The first questions should be...
What am I going to take pictures of.
How am I going to view them.
How big.
Am I going to do anything major like crop to 100% and print BIG or shoot black cats at midnight.

For me and maybe a lot of people the answers are...
Anything and everything.
Mostly on screen or in small prints.
Computer or TV screen and sub A3 prints at the very most but only this big once in a blue moon.
Not often.

If this is the case almost any camera may be good enough :D
 
I think you guys need to take a chill pill. These are my opinions that I will stick by. My argument isn't about the highest megapixel camera but that was the argument that was put forward. All I am saying is your camera selection process is flawed again that is according to my own opinions.
 
If you believe you are restricted by bandwidth, I am sure paying for a subscription to a cloud service + good Internet connection will be a hell of a lot cheaper than a brand new Mac book and Adobe xy and z software license.
 
I think your opinion is flawed rather than peoples camera selection process but of course you are entitled to it.
 
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5abi said:
I think you guys need to take a chill pill. These are my opinions that I will stick by. My argument isn't about the highest megapixel camera but that was the argument that was put forward. All I am saying is your camera selection process is flawed again that is according to my own opinions.
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Thanks but I don't need to chill. I might need to drink less but that's another matter. Anyway, I do however need to understand what you're saying and at the moment I rather baffled.

Are you looking at buying an A7 camera and if so which one? Or maybe you're just making general comment and conversation?

Either is fine BTW :D
 
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I have an a7r. Looking to get the mark 2 when out. Also looking at Canon 5dsr.
 
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