The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

twist said:
I hope it won't be an issue for me but if it is why should I or anyone accept it as normal.

Jonney would because you could put a Sony badge on a turd and he would buy it and hed say his smells like roses... game changer.
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Well, I tried and i looked for it, can't make it happen. I'll see if it happens naturally….hope it doesn't.
 
twist said:
No, isn't it underhanded for a manufacturer to release a product that they know is unfit for purpose... or don't know and receive reports of the issue and don't fix the issue before a worldwide release? My keeping the camera is based on their response.
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Yeah I'm not buying that, that just strikes me as a feeble justification but it's your time and energy to waste.

twist said:
What I do has nothing to do with you so get off your horse.
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Don't bring it up in a public forum if you don't want someone to talk about it.
 
Raymond Lin said:
I am trying to recreate it right now and discovered 3 things,

1 - I don't think I have to worry about it because with a flash head on the A73, it doesn't trigger OCF….
2 - I can only set off OCF using a Yongnuo trigger. I tried it with a 600EXRT as a trigger or a Yongnuo flash as a trigger. OCF don't go off.
3 - I can't find any artefacts in any of these.

But seeing I can't use it the way I want to, not with my existing flashes….I wouldn't need to worry about this, i think.
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As I understand it the reason it's not more common is it requires a few things to come together, so if you get the correct angle it should show up and if that's true then depending on your lens it may be more prone to it.

So I *think* most of the time you'll be OK but I wouldn't be shocked if you get it occurring occasionally. Only way to be sure is to use it in anger, not the most reassuring thing to say though...
 
Raymond Lin said:
I am aiming to have my core prime set up for the Sony hopefully by year end.


35/1.4, 50/1.4, 85/1.4 ?????


I am hoping Sony make a Sony Zeiss 85/1.4 but I hardly doubt it with the G-Master out, it’ll be competing against each other. I doubt Zeiss themselves will do one either with the Batis 85/1.8 out. And then there is the 85/1.8………..


Just thinking out loud here, going to disregard the Batis as if I am spending more from the Sony…I might as well go all the way to the G-Master. They are all sharp, they all focus great, size isn’t a concern…..£1k more ????


Or just get the Sony and upgrade when the time comes, did that with the Canon 85/1.8 too….
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From what I’ve seen I’ve not been too impressed with the sharpness of the 85mm f1.4 but the f1.8 looks great, so maybe Zeiss will release one that has wide open sharpness?

Of course, my observations have only been from online pics and not through my own use of the lens so maybe I’m talking a load of rubbish :lol:
 
Raymond Lin said:
I own both the Sigma 50/1.4 Art on the Canon, I won't say the colour is on the green side but it is certainly missing a certain something of an L. I can't put my finger on it.

The Sony Zeiss 50/1.4 I also have too, yes…it is very very expensive, hard to stomach, but I also have a 85/1.2L and a 35/1.4L Mk2 so it's not my first time. At least I know I don't have to upgrade for quite some time.
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Glad it's not just me with the Sigma colours. Not sure what it was, maybe not green, but definitely looked different.

It was sharper than the Sony 50/1.4 it replaced, and performed better in every other way, and I sat on the fence; sometimes highly recommending it and other times not recommending it at all.

My requirements now are somewhat different, I'm in semi budget land with an original A7 that I got cheap to replace a NEX7.

I often use my 16-50 pancake zoom in the A7, as a sudo enhanced NEX camera.

I like the way it can be small and light, semi Oly Pen, and then add a decent lens and it's a different camera.

ISO performance is so much better than I have been used too, once ISO6400 was usable my needs were met. But I have the option that if the light is poor/low, I don't need to take any shots as they are for me, and me only.
 
snerkler said:
From what I’ve seen I’ve not been too impressed with the sharpness of the 85mm f1.4 but the f1.8 looks great, so maybe Zeiss will release one that has wide open sharpness?

Of course, my observations have only been from online pics and not through my own use of the lens so maybe I’m talking a load of rubbish :LOL:
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I think the sharpest one of the lot is the Batis? The Sony 1.8 is VERY close 2nd but lacking weather sealing and OSS (not really a problem). G-Master has just the extra bokeh.
 
snerkler said:
From what I’ve seen I’ve not been too impressed with the sharpness of the 85mm f1.4 but the f1.8 looks great, so maybe Zeiss will release one that has wide open sharpness?

Of course, my observations have only been from online pics and not through my own use of the lens so maybe I’m talking a load of rubbish :lol:
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What you seen is correct my 85mm 1.8 is damn sharp a fantastic lens tbh better than the cannon I had a few years back.
 
rookies said:
What you seen is correct my 85mm 1.8 is damn sharp a fantastic lens tbh better than the cannon I had a few years back.
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To be fair the Canon is like half the price at £350 and first came out in 2007. I think I paid like £330 in Jessops in 2010.
 
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snerkler said:
From what I’ve seen I’ve not been too impressed with the sharpness of the 85mm f1.4 but the f1.8 looks great, so maybe Zeiss will release one that has wide open sharpness?

Of course, my observations have only been from online pics and not through my own use of the lens so maybe I’m talking a load of rubbish :LOL:
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Actually, totally slipped my mind….The Sigma 85/1.4 Art is out soon and that lens is great, I would say it's probably the one to get.
 
Livin The Dream said:
So after all those posts about the new layout of the lens, you've gone back? I did say that I'd give it time, you're bound to get used to it, if it's worth it. Fancy one myself.
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Everything else about it is so good! Just going to try it again. I have 2 of them in my house right now. High roller lol
 
Raymond Lin said:
Actually, totally slipped my mind….The Sigma 85/1.4 Art is out soon and that lens is great, I would say it's probably the one to get.
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If it’s anything like the Canikon version it’ll dwarf the A7 ;)
 
JJ! said:
Everything else about it is so good! Just going to try it again. I have 2 of them in my house right now. High roller lol
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2x f2.8e’s? :eek:
 
Yep, if anyone has my address I’m doomed, especially as there is also a Sony 70-200 here as well!!!
 
How about providing a link to the raw for people to download and process Twist?
 
JJ! said:
https://flic.kr/p/253Dfbh

2.8 party! Can’t get the pic to show from Flickr app!
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Shows as private so can't see it. Let me know how you get on with the e lens second time around, and thoughts on overall rendering (I know the e is sharper, but I love the rendering of the VRII)
 
Seen a few reports now of the phase pixel lines over on various forums, however it’s been mostly individuals trying to purposely create it under heavy backlit situations.
Most are posting massive cropped images and then ranting and raving about it.

Not sure if it’s a big enough problem yet for Sony to take notice, however it could be something that is a fundamental design that cannot be resolved via firmware / software plug-in.

Would it prevent me buying one, doubt it.

When the Sony A9 was released there were reports of banding and this pixel line issue also, it was raved about etc but I am yet to see it more wide spread.
People made a massive fuss about it yet in most real world situations it worked fine.

I think if people are worried about the whole A7 III pixel line issue, buy from somewhere which accepts returns easily and test it out in real world situations, looking for the problem will just ruin the ownership experience as it’s clear it happens.

However what if it’s a bad first batch of sensors?

What if it’s fixable via firmware?

Hey at least we aren’t seeing sensor oil spots on our images lol ;)
 
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simonbarker said:
Yeah I'm not buying that, that just strikes me as a feeble justification but it's your time and energy to waste.

Don't bring it up in a public forum if you don't want someone to talk about it.
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Consumer rights are in place for a reason or they wouldn't exist. If I don't see the issue that'll be great, if I do there should be a recall or fix in place.

jonneymendoza said:
Well said
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What a surprise, had it been Nikon though. Fanboy.
 
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Riz_Guru said:
Seen a few reports now of the phase pixel lines over on various forums, however it’s been mostly individuals trying to purposely create it under heavy backlit situations.
Most are posting massive cropped images and then ranting and raving about it.

Not sure if it’s a big enough problem yet for Sony to take notice, however it could be something that is a fundamental design that cannot be resolved via firmware / software plug-in.

Would it prevent me buying one, doubt it.

When the Sony A9 was released there were reports of banding and this pixel line issue also, it was raved about etc but I am yet to see it more wide spread.
People made a massive fuss about it yet in most real world situations it worked fine.

I think if people are worried about the whole A7 III pixel line issue, buy from somewhere which accepts returns easily and test it out in real world situations, looking for the problem will just ruin the ownership experience as it’s clear it happens.

However what if it’s a bad first batch of sensors?

What if it’s fixable via firmware?

Hey at least we aren’t seeing sensor oil spots on our images lol ;)
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Hey, at least you can clean a sensor yourself.

Oh, you are supporting returns of faulty goods now?

The dpreview samples haven' been pushed in post, but the lines are there to be seen under normal conditions. Dan recreated it in minutes on the lesser effected a9.
 
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twist said:
Hey, at least you can clean a sensor yourself.

Oh, you are supporting returns of faulty goods now?

The dpreview samples haven' been pushed in post, but the lines are there to be seen under normal conditions. Dan recreated it in minutes on the lesser effected a9.
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I’m not supporting anything really as I’m not stuck to a particular brand, I just crave the latest and greatest being a techie by nature. :D

The way I see it, is that the Sony A7 III is not faulty if the issue is down to design limitation.

To me it does seem like a design limitation of the sensor unless it’s a faulty first batch or problem at a fabrication level.

One must do research before buying, it’s simple really either buy or don’t, however you know the issue may happen beforehand but equally it may not.
Evaluate your photographing situations/needs prior to buying and apply logic, will you come into the situation or not. Then decide if it’s worth the risk.

In my case I knew that the rare banding / pixel line issue existed on the Sony A9 but stuck with it based on advice above, I have no issues at all apart from Sony’s p#ss poor firmware R&D. Lol

Hey just buy it, try it, send it back if it’s not delivering what you need..... it’s not the end of the world, there are poor kids dying in 3rd works countries etc.
 
Riz_Guru said:
One must do research before buying, it’s simple really either buy or don’t, however you know the issue may happen beforehand but equally it may not.
Evaluate your photographing situations/needs prior to buying and apply logic, will you come into the situation or not. Then decide if it’s worth the risk.

Hey just buy it, try it, send it back if it’s not delivering what you need..... it’s not the end of the world, there are poor kids dying in 3rd works countries etc.
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Of course, which I do, the issue is there in some cases, wether it effects me or not, we'll see, maybe it takes longer than 14 days to crop up, thats why consumer rights act is in place.... and my EXTENDED warranty.

The problem here is the camera is so new, Sony hasn't had to acknowledge it yet, maybe they've already switched out the sensors and thats why the cameras are late and they are behind on production, I dont know. In the meantime Ill use my camera and wait to see if I find anything and for Sonys response. Nikon also cocked up, but with the D750 they were quick to acknowledge and provide a good fix.
 
twist said:
Of course, which I do, the issue is there in some cases, wether it effects me or not, we'll see, maybe it takes longer than 14 days to crop up, thats why consumer rights act is in place.... and my EXTENDED warranty.

The problem here is the camera is so new, Sony hasn't had to acknowledge it yet, maybe they've already switched out the sensors and thats why the cameras are late and they are behind on production, I dont know. In the meantime Ill use my camera and wait to see if I find anything and for Sonys response. Nikon also cocked up, but with the D750 they were quick to acknowledge and provide a good fix.
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Just wait it out, I know it’s not ideal..... I got my Sony A9 a good few months after release just in case something major cropped up.
So far it appears it’s only been a hot shoe screw recall lol :D

Looking at the news at how we’ve just launched strikes on Syria [emoji1238] we might have bigger things to worry about if Russia & Iran retaliate :(
 
twist said:
I did. You can get them from dpr. Nothing fishy about their samples.
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So the picture of the woman in the sunglasses wasn't taken by you? DPR? That's the picture I'm interested in as I want to see what was done to that picture.

I've just been back to page 800 and have seen no mention of raw links from you.
 
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woof woof said:
So the picture of the woman in the sunglasses wasn't taken by you or DPR? That's the picture I'm interested in as I want to see what was done to that picture.

I've just been back to page 800 and have seen no mention of raw links from you.
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It’s a conspiracy, man.
 
addicknchips said:
It’s a conspiracy, man.
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I'm just looking for the picture as I'd like to decide if this is an issue for me but apparently I've missed the link and it's just too much trouble for Twist to post it again.

Come on Twist, we're all busy people and I have a life to get on with, can you please post a link to the raw of that sunglasses wearing woman with the banding?
 
woof woof said:
So the picture of the woman in the sunglasses wasn't taken by you? DPR? That's the picture I'm interested in as I want to see what was done to that picture.

I've just been back to page 800 and have seen no mention of raw links from you.
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No. It' s on dpr forum. Why don't you look at the photos from the a7iii hands on at dpr, I posted them ages ago. Go have a look. It is the same damn issue.

Yes, you are correct I am busy, find things yourself. You have the source!
 
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twist said:
No. It' s on dpr forum. Why don't you look at the photos from the a7iii hands on at dpr, I posted them ages ago. Go have a look.

Yes, you are correct I am busy, find things yourself. You have the source!
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For F sake Twist...

Would it kill you to be helpful for once in your life?

You know where the raw is and I don't but instead of just posting the link you'd rather [PLEASE DON'T TRY TO BYPASS THE SWEAR FILTER] about over multiple posts? Never mind Twist...

As Twist is still in awkward arse mode (his default) does anyone else know where I can find a raw of that woman in the sunglasses without spending my free hour searching on DPR?
 
woof woof said:
For F sake Twist...

Would it kill you to be helpful for once in your life?

You know where the raw is and I don't but instead of just posting the link you'd rather f*** about over multiple posts? Never mind Twist...

As Twist is still in awkward arse mode (his default) does anyone else know where I can find a raw of that woman in the sunglasses without spending my free hour searching on DPR?
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I have been, you're to f*****g lazy to go back or to the source. Poor you and your free hour.
 
Riz_Guru said:
Seen a few reports now of the phase pixel lines over on various forums, however it’s been mostly individuals trying to purposely create it under heavy backlit situations.
Most are posting massive cropped images and then ranting and raving about it.

Not sure if it’s a big enough problem yet for Sony to take notice, however it could be something that is a fundamental design that cannot be resolved via firmware / software plug-in.

Would it prevent me buying one, doubt it.

When the Sony A9 was released there were reports of banding and this pixel line issue also, it was raved about etc but I am yet to see it more wide spread.
People made a massive fuss about it yet in most real world situations it worked fine.

I think if people are worried about the whole A7 III pixel line issue, buy from somewhere which accepts returns easily and test it out in real world situations, looking for the problem will just ruin the ownership experience as it’s clear it happens.

However what if it’s a bad first batch of sensors?

What if it’s fixable via firmware?

Hey at least we aren’t seeing sensor oil spots on our images lol ;)
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Yea this is exactly spot on. Why mention and moan about it if you can't even replicate it in the real world for your usage?

Its a joke really from twist moaning about it as if we all affected and will see the issues on our real world shots and tests.

Twists moans too much about it yet still has it on pre order.

I bet he will jump ship again next week as always...
 
This thread on DPR seems to be the source of the picture Twists posted...

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4272756

I got to page two before I gave up and maybe I missed it but I didn't see any links to the whole picture or better still a raw.

This could well be an issue but without knowing what's been done to the picture how are we supposed to know? What I'd really like is an example raw I can download and look at the circumstances of the shot, backlighting etc, how much it's been boosted post capture and what the crop is and until I can do that I can't really tell if it's an issue for me or not.

Just in case anyone thinks I lack patience... I'm a full time carer these days and I get next to no help so time to myself is limited and right now I'll have to log off and go and do my thing so if anyone knows where the raw link is, please save me a few minutes, do me a favour and post it and don't play twenty evasive questions like Mr Twist.

Thanks if someone can do this small thing and who knows it may even be useful to other people.
 
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