The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

it's a bit confusing I know.

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Well it is Sony ;)

I’m still struggling to know the difference between tracking and real time tracking. All I can think is that tracking you first focus on the subject and then it tracks, whereas real time it picks up the subject for you and tracks?
 
whereas real time it picks up the subject for you and tracks?

That's just what Continuous AF does with half pressed shutter and the focus set to wide on my A7 III (which doesn't have 'real time' tracking). :ROFLMAO:
 
That's just what Continuous AF does with half pressed shutter and the focus set to wide on my A7 III (which doesn't have 'real time' tracking). :ROFLMAO:
:banghead::banghead::banghead:

:ROFLMAO:
 
God make me laugh in here. Let just say

A9 just works
 
:banghead::banghead::banghead:

:ROFLMAO:

Dont yo an Rookies live close by? Hook up for a date and he can show you the mighty Sony AF modes. It has every mode you can imagine then adds more and complicates it further. Youll finally settle on a couple that will work really well for your cases.
 
Dont yo an Rookies live close by? Hook up for a date and he can show you the mighty Sony AF modes. It has every mode you can imagine then adds more and complicates it further. Youll finally settle on a couple that will work really well for your cases.

Does he know her to sign lol. Pardon
 
Dont yo an Rookies live close by? Hook up for a date and he can show you the mighty Sony AF modes. It has every mode you can imagine then adds more and complicates it further. Youll finally settle on a couple that will work really well for your cases.
Pretty close yeah. Tbh no point now after getting the quotes for my gear (y)
 
Well it is Sony ;)

I’m still struggling to know the difference between tracking and real time tracking. All I can think is that tracking you first focus on the subject and then it tracks, whereas real time it picks up the subject for you and tracks?
It's easier to show than explain.

Let take it from the "beginning"....

The AF-C setting is common across these.

1. a7RII/A7III/A7RIII (pre FW v3.0)
You had to set eyeAF to a separate button. When you pressed that button the camera did it's best to find the eye within the entire frame and track it. It simply ignored the focus area setting.
The focus area setting (simplifying it a little) ranged from wide area i.e. the entire frame, zones i.e. part of the frame and center/single spot which you can move across the frame. So half-pressing the shutter (or back-button) to focus would cause the camera to track whatever subject falls in that area. So in wide area while it's least accurate in terms of pinpointing the subject gave full frame coverage for tracking. On the other hand the centre/single spot gave you the accuracy for pinpointing the subject but you have to keep keep your subject on that single point for it to track and if left the centre spot you lose focus. The zone is a middle ground between the two.
To get over this limitation Sony provided another focus area called expanded flexible spot. So basically you get a central/single point, you find the subject with this point hence you get the pinpoint accuracy and should the subject move away from this point it'll track it across the frame thus providing the wider frame coverage. Win-win.
Notice how thus far eyeAF tracking and subject tracking are different things. Nothing to do with each other apart from both needing AF-C.

2. A7III/A7RIII FW v3.0
So they added real-time eyeAF (not the same as real-time AF, that's next). So in non-expanded flexible spot focussing area modes i.e. wide, zone, centre/single the camera will track the eyes as long as the eye(s) falls in the focus area. And if the subject leaves the focus area (bad in case of centre/single spot) it'll stop tracking it regardless of whether there are eyes in the frame. So for humans/animals i.e. subjects with eyes it can detect, setting camera to wide area mode (like in Nikon Zs) may work fine because it'll find the eye and when it can't it'll track something it thinks it should be tracking.
And in expanded flexible spot focus area mode you only got subject tracking and no eyeAF. Now you are back to above option 1 of setting a separate button for eyeAF.

3. "Full-fat" real-time tracking.
They replaced the "expanded flexible spot" with a "tracking" focus area option. In this option you point the centre/single spot at your subject and it'll track that subject. Should the subject have eyes it'll track the eyes (regardless of whether your point was on the eye or not) and if it doesn't find eyes it'll just track the subject across the frame till it sees the subject's eye again.
You can still of course map a separate button to do eyeAF still but it's not needed anymore.

A7RIV has 3rd version for humans and 2nd version for animals. A9/ii has 3rd version for both. Not sure about A6100/6400/6600.

Makes sense? :D
 
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Got lost amongst all the messages so I'll ask again :)
I'm thinking on the idea of swapping my a7iii for the Sony A7r IV.

Basically I do mainly studio photography (people, products...) but I also do some weddings, sports, wildlife and macro photography and lots of landscape....and I do none of those well! :D
The 61 megapixels might be a bit too much but I'm liking the ability to heavily crop and still end up with a 20-30 megapixels image. For example for macro, wildlife and sports.
Autofocus seems to have been improved by quite a bit on this model as well as the ergonomics.
For weddings the files will be way too large, but I also shoot with an a9 so I would not necessarily be relying just on this camera to cover a day.

...there's so many positive points I keep repeating to myself I think....or it must be just a case of GAS? :D

Advice needed please? Anyone using the a7r IV?
 
Got lost amongst all the messages so I'll ask again :)
I'm thinking on the idea of swapping my a7iii for the Sony A7r IV.

Basically I do mainly studio photography (people, products...) but I also do some weddings, sports, wildlife and macro photography and lots of landscape....and I do none of those well! :D
The 61 megapixels might be a bit too much but I'm liking the ability to heavily crop and still end up with a 20-30 megapixels image. For example for macro, wildlife and sports.
Autofocus seems to have been improved by quite a bit on this model as well as the ergonomics.
For weddings the files will be way too large, but I also shoot with an a9 so I would not necessarily be relying just on this camera to cover a day.

...there's so many positive points I keep repeating to myself I think....or it must be just a case of GAS? :D

Advice needed please? Anyone using the a7r IV?

Do it :D
It might well be GAS also but if you feel you'll make good use of it's features it can also be worthwhile upgrade.
 
Got lost amongst all the messages so I'll ask again :)
I'm thinking on the idea of swapping my a7iii for the Sony A7r IV.

Basically I do mainly studio photography (people, products...) but I also do some weddings, sports, wildlife and macro photography and lots of landscape....and I do none of those well! :D
The 61 megapixels might be a bit too much but I'm liking the ability to heavily crop and still end up with a 20-30 megapixels image. For example for macro, wildlife and sports.
Autofocus seems to have been improved by quite a bit on this model as well as the ergonomics.
For weddings the files will be way too large, but I also shoot with an a9 so I would not necessarily be relying just on this camera to cover a day.

...there's so many positive points I keep repeating to myself I think....or it must be just a case of GAS? :D

Advice needed please? Anyone using the a7r IV?

why not the rIII?
 
Why dont you sell privately, youd likely get a lot more? Ebay £1 listing this weekend.
But there’s still 10% selling fees. Best offer I’ve had was £3.5k, and that’s for my Z7 and ALL Nikon lenses. Selling private I might get £4K at a push so I couldn’t even afford the A9-II and 70-200mm F2.8 let alone any of the other lenses. Would be crazy to swap even if I had the money to do so.
It's easier to show than explain.

Let take it from the "beginning"....

The AF-C setting is common across these.

1. a7RII/A7III/A7RIII (pre FW v3.0)
You had to set eyeAF to a separate button. When you pressed that button the camera did it's best to find the eye within the entire frame and track it. It simply ignored the focus area setting.
The focus area setting (simplifying it a little) ranged from wide area i.e. the entire frame, zones i.e. part of the frame and center/single spot which you can move across the frame. So half-pressing the shutter (or back-button) to focus would cause the camera to track whatever subject falls in that area. So in wide area while it's least accurate in terms of pinpointing the subject gave full frame coverage for tracking. On the other hand the centre/single spot gave you the accuracy for pinpointing the subject but you have to keep keep your subject on that single point for it to track and if left the centre spot you lose focus. The zone is a middle ground between the two.
To get over this limitation Sony provided another focus area called expanded flexible spot. So basically you get a central/single point, you find the subject with this point hence you get the pinpoint accuracy and should the subject move away from this point it'll track it across the frame thus providing the wider frame coverage. Win-win.
Notice how thus far eyeAF tracking and subject tracking are different things. Nothing to do with each other apart from both needing AF-C.

2. A7III/A7RIII FW v3.0
So they added real-time eyeAF (not the same as real-time AF, that's next). So in non-expanded flexible spot focussing area modes i.e. wide, zone, centre/single the camera will track the eyes as long as the eye(s) falls in the focus area. And if the subject leaves the focus area (bad in case of centre/single spot) it'll stop tracking it regardless of whether there are eyes in the frame. So for humans/animals i.e. subjects with eyes it can detect, setting camera to wide area mode (like in Nikon Zs) may work fine because it'll find the eye and when it can't it'll track something it thinks it should be tracking.
And in expanded flexible spot focus area mode you only got subject tracking and no eyeAF. Now you are back to above option 1 of setting a separate button for eyeAF.

3. "Full-fat" real-time tracking.
They replaced the "expanded flexible spot" with a "tracking" focus area option. In this option you point the centre/single spot at your subject and it'll track that subject. Should the subject have eyes it'll track the eyes (regardless of whether your point was on the eye or not) and if it doesn't find eyes it'll just track the subject across the frame till it sees the subject's eye again.
You can still of course map a separate button to do eyeAF still but it's not needed anymore.

A7RIV has 3rd version for humans and 2nd version for animals. A9/ii has 3rd version for both. Not sure about A6100/6400/6600.

Makes sense? :D
Thanks for taking the time to do that. Yes makes complete sense. Shame they can’t do real time tracking using expandable spot, so like Nikon 3D tracking but with eye-AF.
 
Do it :D
It might well be GAS also but if you feel you'll make good use of it's features it can also be worthwhile upgrade.
why not the rIII?

Mainly because of the better tracking system, the better EVF, the increase in megapixels and resolution (and ability to crop more if needed), the new ergonomics...and buying second hand it will hold the value better than the A7r III in the future....I think.
 
But there’s still 10% selling fees. Best offer I’ve had was £3.5k, and that’s for my Z7 and ALL Nikon lenses. Selling private I might get £4K at a push so I couldn’t even afford the A9-II and 70-200mm F2.8 let alone any of the other lenses. Would be crazy to swap even if I had the money to do so.

Thanks for taking the time to do that. Yes makes complete sense. Shame they can’t do real time tracking using expandable spot, so like Nikon 3D tracking but with eye-AF.

No there isn't, it includes final value fees!
 
No there isn't, it includes final value fees!
Oh, thought it was just listing fees. Last time it was £1 listing, but you still had the 10% seller fees. But even so I’d struggle to break £4k
 
Ignore all the hate for the Fuji, you can have both if you want :)

My hope is that by storing them together I'll end up with a hybrid "Soji" small bodied full frame 35mm

I don't think it's "hate" as I think just about everyone can at least see the appeal. What I can't see is anything mystical. I just see a rather expensive APS-C camera that to me isn't significantly smaller than an A7x with a 35mm f2.8 plus the A7x will very probably give better image quality and be a more responsive camera. Others think the Fuji lens is poor. I don't think that's hate as such, more just being dispassionate and looking at the pros and cons.

And yes anyone can have both if they want and as we're only here once, as far as we know, then if the heart wants then the heart wants but if it was me I'd forget any thought of slimming down the kit and freeing up cash and view it as gas :D
 
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Got lost amongst all the messages so I'll ask again :)
I'm thinking on the idea of swapping my a7iii for the Sony A7r IV.

Basically I do mainly studio photography (people, products...) but I also do some weddings, sports, wildlife and macro photography and lots of landscape....and I do none of those well! :D
The 61 megapixels might be a bit too much but I'm liking the ability to heavily crop and still end up with a 20-30 megapixels image. For example for macro, wildlife and sports.
Autofocus seems to have been improved by quite a bit on this model as well as the ergonomics.
For weddings the files will be way too large, but I also shoot with an a9 so I would not necessarily be relying just on this camera to cover a day.

...there's so many positive points I keep repeating to myself I think....or it must be just a case of GAS? :D

Advice needed please? Anyone using the a7r IV?

I used my A7RIV at one wedding when I first got it, never again.

A.F just wasn’t as reliable as either my A7III’s or my A9 which is a given I guess.

I won’t be bringing it to another wedding it’s an excellent camera for what it’s designed for but isn’t a good fit for weddings for me.

Also the file size is an absolute nightmare.

Would probably be a good studio camera I don’t think the a.f is reliable enough for sports.
 
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But there’s still 10% selling fees. Best offer I’ve had was £3.5k, and that’s for my Z7 and ALL Nikon lenses. Selling private I might get £4K at a push so I couldn’t even afford the A9-II and 70-200mm F2.8 let alone any of the other lenses. Would be crazy to swap even if I had the money to do so.

Thanks for taking the time to do that. Yes makes complete sense. Shame they can’t do real time tracking using expandable spot, so like Nikon 3D tracking but with eye-AF.

A9 does that how it track 3D but 4D tracking
 
But there’s still 10% selling fees. Best offer I’ve had was £3.5k, and that’s for my Z7 and ALL Nikon lenses. Selling private I might get £4K at a push so I couldn’t even afford the A9-II and 70-200mm F2.8 let alone any of the other lenses. Would be crazy to swap even if I had the money to do so.

Thanks for taking the time to do that. Yes makes complete sense. Shame they can’t do real time tracking using expandable spot, so like Nikon 3D tracking but with eye-AF.
Just get a Sony ;)
 
Thanks for taking the time to do that. Yes makes complete sense. Shame they can’t do real time tracking using expandable spot, so like Nikon 3D tracking but with eye-AF.
3rd option i.e. A9/ii and A7RIV (for humans only) with the new "tracking" focus area option is exactly that :)
In fact it's even better than 3D tracking.
This supercedes expanded flexible spot
 
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3rd option i.e. A9/ii and A7RIV (for humans only) with the new "tracking" focus area option is exactly that :)
In fact it's even better than 3D tracking.
This supercedes expanded flexible spot

Hmmm.

I can imagine someone saying this in Star Trek...

"tracking" focus area option is exactly that. In fact it's even better than 3D tracking. This supersedes expanded flexible spot, Captain.
 
Which 35mm 1.8 people rave about. Sony or sigma art
 
Just to balance things a little - I went with the 24-105mm :D
(had the tamron before that)

Why that. I am finding the tamron brilliant
 
In my search for an all in one lens for hiking, my 24-105 f4 arrived today and I have to say that coming from a Tamron 28-75 it's a real pleasure to use. I know it has no bearing on the final image but the zoom and focus rings make the Tamron feel like a toy. Now it's just a matter of using them side by side for a bit before deciding if I want to keep the Tamron for those times the extra stop is needed.
I use the 24-105 f4 for landscapes. So far I’ve found it to be a nice lens. I’ve always liked the 70-200 lenses for landscapes but the 24-105 to great to take out as a single lens.
 
Mainly because of the better tracking system, the better EVF, the increase in megapixels and resolution (and ability to crop more if needed), the new ergonomics...and buying second hand it will hold the value better than the A7r III in the future....I think.

Fair enough, based on what you said above I'd have thought you'd be better with 42 rather than 61 MP to be honest.

Really can't see it holding value better than the RIII, I'd imagine you'd lose more. 61mp is pretty niche IMO. I honestly think the A7RIII is the sweet spot for people that want an R line camera.
 
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