The 2014 Season F1 Thread

How weak is the FIA they have neither said fric is legal or illeagle BUT if all the teams agree to delay until 2015 they will do nothing this year OR if all the teams agree not to protest against fric then they wont notify the stewards of a possable rule breach
How crap is that
 
Just for info 10 out of the 11 teams run frics Force india is the only team not to do so
Bang goes the if all teams agree then
An appeal is being lodged and is being led by Ferrari so it may have a bit of weight behind it
 
Seen the image of the tyre bounding close to Chiltern's head! Lucky boy.
 
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Just been perusing Autosport and it seems that the FIA want to ban FRICS as a cost cutting measure...

Now, can anyone explain to me exactly how forcing the teams to redesign their suspension systems and produce the parts necessary to replace them can save on costs? Similarly the shift to 18" wheels and lower profile tyres which will mean a total rethink on suspension.
 
Just a point the FIA arnt banning frics they are saying they think its ileagle so anyone racing with it opens there selves up to a protest, it will then be investigated and only at that point will it be deemed leagle or not
It is hard to find the reason for the statement from the FIA and the only feasable reason is that frics is so sofisticated now that it is mimicing active ride height
Passive as it is and reacting only to road surfaces but using a mechanical computer it is keeping the ride height as low and level as possable in pitch and yaw plus roll to gain ground effect hence downforce But this was on the cards to be banned 2015
A more likely reason is trying to level the playing field and make F1 more competative by artifical means. I see the hand of Bernie
Lauda Mercedes "It wont effect us much" Question why spend thousands of pounds on something thats not that good? Bull S---
Marko Red Bull "It wont effect us as much as others" so he expects merc to suffer?Bull S---
Maclaren and Ferrari say it wont effect them, which I can understand with the competitivness of there cars except Ferrari are in the lead for appealing against the FIA words
Bottas Williams says "it wont effect them as much as the others"

The only one I believe is Force India and thats becuse they are the only team without it so it wont effect them
 
FI could be affected if their engine supplier gets the hump!!!
 
Ref FRIC and Force India, they stated on the F1 show that they had it but didn't always use it depending on the track. In a twist of fate, they spent the 2 day test developing FRICs on the Force India.
 
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FORMULA 1 GROSSER PREIS SANTANDER VON DEUTSCHLAND 2014


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Hockenheim
Race Date: 20 Jul 2014
Circuit Name: Hockenheimring
First Grand Prix: 1970
Number of Laps: 67
Circuit Length: 4.574 km
Race Distance: 306.458 km
Lap Record: 1:13.780 - K Raikkonen (2004)

UK Times
Fri 18 July 2014
Practice 1 09:00 - 10:30
Practice 2 13:00 - 14:30
Sat 19 July 2014
Practice 3 10:00 - 11:00
Qualifying 13:00
Sun 20 July 2014
Race 13:00

Previous Winners
2013 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Nurburgring
2012 Fernando Alonso Ferrari Hockenheim
2011 Lewis Hamilton McLaren Nurburgring
2010 Fernando Alonso Ferrari Hockenheim
2009 Mark Webber Red Bull Nurburgring
2008 Lewis Hamilton McLaren Hockenheim
2006 Michael Schumacher Ferrari Hockenheim
2005 Fernando Alonso Renault Hockenheim
2004 Michael Schumacher Ferrari Hockenheim
2003 Juan Pablo Montoya Williams Hockenheim
2002 Michael Schumacher Ferrari Hockenheim
2001 Ralf Schumacher Williams Hockenheim
2000 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari Hockenheim
1999 Eddie Irvine Ferrari Hockenheim
1998 Mika Hakkinen McLaren Hockenheim
1997 Gerhard Berger Benetton Hockenheim
1996 Damon Hill Williams Hockenheim
1995 Michael Schumacher Benetton Hockenheim

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Lewis Hamilton claimed the 27th win of his career in the British Grand Prix, which was also the second time he has won his home race. His victory moves him level with Jackie Stewart’s tally of 27 world championship wins. Only six drivers – including Sebastian Vettel and Fernando Alonso – have won more.

Hamilton lined up sixth on the grid, the lowest position he has ever started a race he went on to win. His previous best was also at achieved at Silverstone, from fourth in 2008, which he repeated in Hungary the following year.

Nico Rosberg gave Mercedes their 25th pole position. It was also the eighth of his career, giving him as many as Jenson Button, John Surtees and Ricciardo Patrese. However in the race he posted his first retirement of the season, bringing his run of eighth consecutive podium finishes to an end. He had also scored points in the last 17 races – a streak bettered only Kimi Raikkonen (the record holder with 27), Michael Schumacher, Alonso and Vettel have bettered.

Alonso is now the only driver to have completed all 561 racing laps so far this year. He also kept up his record of scoring in every race this year, as did Nico Hulkenberg.

Jules Bianchi took advantage of the rain in Q1 to claim his and Marussia’s best-ever starting position with 12th.

Massa marked his 200th race start at Silverstone.

Button’s hopes of scoring a first podium finish in his home race were dashed once more on his 15th appearance at Silverstone.

Two drivers made their first ever appearances in F1 practice sessions on Friday – Daniel Juncadella for Force India and Susie Wolff for Williams. The latter became the first woman to participate in an official F1 session since qualifying for the 1992 Brazilian Grand Prix – 8,126 days ago – when Giovanna Amati failed to make the cut in her Brabham.



Penalty points so far
Jules Bianchi 4
Pastor Maldonado 4
Valtteri Bottas 2
Kevin Magnussen 2
Adrian Sutil 2
Marcus Ericsson 2


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Just watching now. Just seeing the onboard replays. Rear brakes or throttle jam?

... no spoiler ... you'll catch up and driver walking away in one piece!
 
Yves Geza said:
Just watching now. Just seeing the onboard replays. Rear brakes or throttle jam?

... no spoiler ... you'll catch up and driver walking away in one piece!
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Front brake failure according to a team tweet...

Seeing as you don't want spoilers have removed team name.

@Xxxxxxxxxxxx: UPDATE #2: The cause crash was a right front brake disc failure #GermanGP #F1
 
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Well OK ... that's what they've tweeted and there was that puff of smoke in the replay after the session but that really isn't what it looked like to me on screen at the time!

Team tweets are like those famous historical press releases. Ferrari for example. "Retired due to alternator failure". Of course the alternator failed - the bloody con-rod knocked it off the side of the crank case as it came out!! ;)
 
OK, maybe I'll stay here and watch the BBC repeat rather than go into town later! Sounds like he was a lucky boy to walk away from it. Pretty sure he can do well even from back there but we won't know until tomorrow.
 
Go to town! Apart from incident x, ultimately there's more excitement here on TP then out near Heidelberg! ;)
 
Yves Geza said:
Well OK ... that's what they've tweeted and there was that puff of smoke in the replay after the session but that really isn't what it looked like to me on screen at the time!

Team tweets are like those famous historical press releases. Ferrari for example. "Retired due to alternator failure". Of course the alternator failed - the bloody con-rod knocked it off the side of the crank case as it came out!! ;)
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According to their technical director who is being interviewed, sounds like a catastrophic failure of the right hand brake disk, completely shattered :wideyed:.
 
I apologise unreservedly for ever doubting them! :oops: :$

I had switched over to watch the cricket from Lords. Apart from all else, that's the sport where I sometimes chat with their Executive Director of Engineering [or far more frequently with other assorted disgruntled ex-employees of theirs!]. Funny how many motor racing people love cricket! So I have just switched back to see their technical director's interview where he answered some fairly simplistic questions about brake-rotor lifing and then said "there's a lot of work to do the car - we haven't seen it yet!" :)

I think I'll switch over again to watch the GP2 race. Often far more entertaining and exciting than Sunday's Grand Prix and I'm very impressed how the championship leader has improved in the last year or so as a young British driver! Being with DAMS does no harm of course!! ;)
 
I'm liking virgin/sky sports swap over of channels. I now have extra channels plus sky f1 hd
 
If you look at the right front wheel during the crash it reverses direction as soon as the car rotates, clearly no braking effort being applied. There was mention of changing to a different make of disc, but that this would incur a parc ferme violation and result in a pit lane start... Hopefully common sense will prevail..
 
Bad to worse for Hamilton, grid penalty due to a gearbox change.
 
Barso said:
Bad to worse for Hamilton, grid penalty due to a gearbox change.
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Not that serious IMO, those 5 extra cars shouldn't really take long to get passed (unless one of the banzai drivers at the back take him out at the start).
 
The most exciting GP this year!
 
Hamilton did amazing. Great racing all through the field, lots of overtaking.. How many did Hamilton do, about 25?
 
I see Ferrari and Red Bull were considering protesting LH's change of disks. Well, I know Ferrari want to win however possible but thought Red Bull were less litigious.

Enjoyed the highlights show - more so since I knew the roller was unhurt before I saw it happen. Having watched a lot of grand Prix just before the race brought home just how safe F1 is now compared to the '60s! After this morning's news about James Garner, the final scene brought a tear, I don't mind admitting.
 
F1 boring nah
I am fed up with ferrari and co trying to change the rules so a slow thirsty down force lacking car can win
How Alonso makes it look something like is nothing but stunning


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I see Ferrari and Red Bull were considering protesting LH's change of disks. Well, I know Ferrari want to win however possible but thought Red Bull were less litigious..
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Aparently the FIA allowed the change
But the FIA allowed a change of brake material on the basis that it considered the part to be "similar in mass, inertia and function to the original", as specified in the sporting regulations
Mercedes also argued it was on safety grounds
Hopefully this protest will just fade away

Does anyone know the offical reason frics was THOUGHT to be illegle
Ive seen lots of guesses
 
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Dave1 said:
Not that serious IMO, those 5 extra cars shouldn't really take long to get passed (unless one of the banzai drivers at the back take him out at the start).
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Maybe those 5 places might have been a help to Lewis after all, nobody knows.
 
I too was hugely impressed by Lewis Hamilton's straight line speed today! No wonder people think he's so good!

What really struck me though was watching Ricciardo's racecraft! I had no idea he was so instinctively brilliant! It was an eye-opening joy!
 
Barso said:
Maybe those 5 places might have been a help to Lewis after all, nobody knows.
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I think the bump with Button was the biggest mistake he made (along with the subsequent early pit stop), he might have easily managed second but for that.
 
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I think the bump with Button was the biggest mistake he made (along with the subsequent early pit stop), he might have easily managed second but for that.
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Split second decision, button went late into the corner on worn tyres, just one of those things, but if you don't take those opportunities then you'll get nowhere as you'll lose lots of time being held up.

I'm not sure he would have made it past bott as. The Williams always has very good straight line speed, it's set up for it.
 
fuzzyedges said:
F1 boring nah
I am fed up with ferrari and co trying to change the rules so a slow thirsty down force lacking car can win
How Alonso makes it look something like is nothing but stunning



Aparently the FIA allowed the change
But the FIA allowed a change of brake material on the basis that it considered the part to be "similar in mass, inertia and function to the original", as specified in the sporting regulations
Mercedes also argued it was on safety grounds
Hopefully this protest will just fade away

Does anyone know the offical reason frics was THOUGHT to be illegle
Ive seen lots of guesses
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9 brembo disks have apparently shattered on cars this year, that's enough of a reason to allow the change and it wouldn't surprise me to see them not used in a while. Embarrassing for brembo.

Frics? Blatantly an aerodynamic aid. Look at the red bull scraping it's wing along the straights at speed, the lotus looked very unbalanced also.
 
Byker28i said:
Frics? Blatantly an aerodynamic aid. Look at the red bull scraping it's wing along the straights at speed, the lotus looked very unbalanced also.
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The question is what has changed Frics is legal and has been for a long time the thoughts of Charlie dont make it ilegal
What has charlie seen ? Unless there is an offical reason the reason of "spicing up" the racing by handicapping mercedes will stand and I dont want to watch artifically racing
So its great to see mercedes shoving it down their throats with the best cars, best drivers and not the best luck


The two teams that asked for a ruling on frics so that they may carry on developing it were Ferrari and Red Bull
The alternative to frics for keeping the aero was flexable noses of which Red Bull have made a considerable expense in layered carbon fibre that passes the test but bends on the track allegadly and Ferrari is said to have this skill as well You only have to look at previous years and the change of tests for front wings to see this
Draw your own conclusions
Lotus, as the pioner of frics probably has the most advanced system so would be compramised on the track with its removal
Seb beat ric and Red bull were sparking i.e very low to the ground
 
I think it's the complexity of the frics system that has now been deemed to be movable parts havign an aero advantage. Very strange to change mid season and so quickly, so I suspect it was an attempt to limit the mercedes team that didn't work
 
Ferrari and Red Bull have in the past tried and sometimes succeeded in achieving progress through protest. Hasn't worked this time and Ferrari's poor car has only served to show just how good Alonso is. The guy's back must be nearly breaking under the strain..
 
Purely for interest, I have worked out the MPG that LH was getting during the GP last weekend. I think I found the fuel usage on pitpass or autosport and it's 1.93 litres per lap and a lap is apparently 5.574 km. Works out to 8.17 MPG. I reckon I could get Mrs Nod's car down to that if I tried!
 
Nod said:
Purely for interest, I have worked out the MPG that LH was getting during the GP last weekend. I think I found the fuel usage on pitpass or autosport and it's 1.93 litres per lap and a lap is apparently 5.574 km. Works out to 8.17 MPG. I reckon I could get Mrs Nod's car down to that if I tried!
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Pretty sure you used to get that mpg from the rs turbo escort if you tuned them beyond 200bhp...
 
Mrs Nod's car has (or had, when new!) 290bhp. In normal use (including too much slow, town mileage) she gets mid to high teens. :( Sounds good when given a hoofing though. :)
 
I average about 6mpg at castle Coombe, but then I've a bigger engine than Lewis...
 
Nod said:
Purely for interest, I have worked out the MPG that LH was getting during the GP last weekend. I think I found the fuel usage on pitpass or autosport and it's 1.93 litres per lap and a lap is apparently 5.574 km. Works out to 8.17 MPG. I reckon I could get Mrs Nod's car down to that if I tried!
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My Davrian did about 6mpg at full chat, but that's with 998cc of Hillman Imp engine. That was on sidedraught Webers, it might use a bit less with the Mikuni flat slides but I haven't competed it since I swapped the new engine with them on into the car (still Imp, but 1040cc and even more ridiculous camshaft / valves / combustion chamber design etc.)
 
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