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An amazing photo here - http://BANNED/#!/FinalSector/status/201795408366804992/photo/1
 
5 place grid penalty for msc that's good to see such a harsh penalty by the stewards good job
 
Jimmy_Lemon said:
An amazing photo here - http://BANNED/#!/FinalSector/status/201795408366804992/photo/1
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...its also got the AP attribution cropped-off - naughty naughty :D (Sky also used it that way in internal PR)

Found a slightly bigger version on the Waily Fail


...Running joke is he'll get a top op award for bravery and sacked for dropping his camera...
 
flossie said:
...its also got the AP attribution cropped-off - naughty naughty :D (Sky also used it that way in internal PR)

Found a slightly bigger version on the Waily Fail


...Running joke is he'll get a top op award for bravery and sacked for dropping his camera...
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looking at that sky vid (insidentally why the phone camera recording a TV DM.. got permission for that from sky?) where are the officials getting the moronic crowd with their camera phones out back.. one fuel fire ball later and that be a whole load worse with those rubberneckers.
 
joker2006 said:
5 place grid penalty for msc that's good to see such a harsh penalty by the stewards good job
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Not really that harsh - same penalty as changing a gearbox. Hamilton had a 23 place penalty for not having enough fuel!
 
f1charlie said:
Not really that harsh - same penalty as changing a gearbox. Hamilton had a 23 place penalty for not having enough fuel!
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There is no excuse for not providing a fuel sample, nor for not getting back to the pits, the teams know they have to put enough fuel in to get the car back to the pits and have enough left for the sample. It's in the rules and is completely clear cut. They failed to do so, absolute offence, nothing to argue. The penalty is only unjust if the stewards do not apply the same penalty to the next team that does it, but it was what I was expecting as soon as I saw the car stop at the end of Q3.

Collisions in the race are different as they are down to driver judgment at 200mph. If the stewards had felt it was deliberate and malicious, rather than a mis-timed attempted overtake, I think Schumacher would have received a much harsher penalty.

Anyway, I'm really happy to see Williams back on the top step of the podium, and on pace rather than due to unusual circumstances leading to a fluke result.
 
onomatopoeia said:
Collisions in the race are different as they are down to driver judgment at 200mph. If the stewards had felt it was deliberate and malicious,
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So you think the fueling error was a deliberate & malicious attempt to cheat to get poll?

Why would they do that when Hamilton pretty much had it in the bag due to being the only driver with fresh tyres left in Q3?

I think it was an honest mistake in a rushed moment. Mclaren are known for such pressure mistakes.. Just look at their recent pit stop record...
 
onomatopoeia said:
There is no excuse for not providing a fuel sample, nor for not getting back to the pits, the teams know they have to put enough fuel in to get the car back to the pits and have enough left for the sample. It's in the rules and is completely clear cut. They failed to do so, absolute offence, nothing to argue. The penalty is only unjust if the stewards do not apply the same penalty to the next team that does it, but it was what I was expecting as soon as I saw the car stop at the end of Q3.
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except according to MW after investigating they would have had more than enough to provide the sample but the levels that were coming back via diags were wrong and so they stopped the car.

i think they were penalised for stopping the car rather than failing to provide a sample?
 
H2O said:
So you think the fueling error was a deliberate & malicious attempt to cheat to get poll?

Why would they do that when Hamilton pretty much had it in the bag due to being the only driver with fresh tyres left in Q3?

I think it was an honest mistake in a rushed moment. Mclaren are known for such pressure mistakes.. Just look at their recent pit stop record...
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I don't think the current crop in the McLaren set-up are clever enough to 'cheat', judging by the number of cock-up's they're making at the moment.

It is emotive and again appears that McLaren are being dealt with unduly harshly, perhaps, but thems is the rools! Fortunately Hamilton's ability, although not overcoming the problem, saved them from total embarrassment.

It wasn't a total disaster as Maldonado's win helped in the limitation stakes - and the boring German didn't win.

I hope, as an avid Hamilton/Brit fan, that Lewis is the next different winner this year :thumbs:
 
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It is emotive and again appears that McLaren are being dealt with unduly harshly, perhaps, but thems is the rools!
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The rules state that the car must return under it's own power. So a penalty was applicable, no question about that, but that penalty is down to, shall we say, "local discretion" :suspect: I think it was very harsh, unprecedented actually.

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The penalty is only unjust if the stewards do not apply the same penalty to the next team that does it,
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I agree, it'll be very interesting to see what happens next time. I hope it's Alonso at Monza :D
 
Comfortably Numb said:
The rules state that the car must return under it's own power. So a penalty was applicable, no question about that, but that penalty is down to, shall we say, "local discretion" :suspect: I think it was very harsh, unprecedented actually.



I agree, it'll be very interesting to see what happens next time. I hope it's Alonso at Monza :D
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"Local discretion"? Let's not forget that the driver steward at that race was not only English, but also manager of a McLaren driver :bonk:

This talk of the LH penalty is getting boring now. The stewards are NOT Lewis Hamilton's greatest enemy this year, his team is.

Also Charlie Whiting's view on the matter makes sense to me:

“We had no room to move,” Whiting, the FIA’s race director, responded to Germany’s Auto Motor und Sport when told that Hamilton’s penalty seemed too severe.

“If there is a violation, it applies to the whole session, not just part of it,” he insisted. “Qualifying begins with Q1.”

Whiting explained that if Hamilton had only lost his Q3 time, a precedent would have been set tempting teams to risk not being checked for the mandatory 1 litre fuel sample in post-qualifying scrutineering.

Auto Motor und Sport said only one or two fuel samples are actually checked after qualifying at grands prix.

Competitors could, therefore, genuinely “run the risk” of using less fuel than is allowed in Q3, if the penalty for being caught is relatively light, Whiting argued.

He recalled last year’s German grand prix, when Sebastien Buemi was sent to the back of the grid because his fuel sample showed irregularities.

As it was not possible to check if the illegal fuel had also been used in Q1 and Q2, the Toro Rosso driver had to be disqualified from qualifying, Whiting argued.
 
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Highlight of the F1 calendar for me today.....despite the safety car coming out (like clockwork) on the first lap!! :)
 
love this race, i think rosberg could win it.
 
Webber for the win, think he deserves a championship at some point just for his consistancy
 
Monaco GP yawn yawn, how bloody boring is this. About time they pick a new venue, f 1 has outgrown this place . It's a traffic jam .

I mean, other circuits have spent millions on making their track safer ,these cars weren't designed for this type of track ,plus I'd taketh bet that the drivers aren't on it 100%.

The guy on tv just said that redbull are monitoring mark Webbers slip angel to see if he's stressing his tyres, I mean come on! !! I love f 1 have done for 30 odd yrs, drivers today have it way! !! Too easy compared to the Mansel &Senna era.
 
mxfun said:
Monaco GP yawn yawn, how bloody boring is this. About time they pick a new venue, f 1 has outgrown this place . It's a traffic jam .

I mean, other circuits have spent millions on making their track safer ,these cars weren't designed for this type of track ,plus I'd taketh bet that the drivers aren't on it 100%.

The guy on tv just said that redbull are monitoring mark Webbers slip angel to see if he's stressing his tyres, I mean come on! !! I love f 1 have done for 30 odd yrs, drivers today have it way! !! Too easy compared to the Mansel &Senna era.
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Yawn yawn!! :p
 
Slimbert said:
Yawn yawn!! :p
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How many passing moves.... Big fat zero! !!!

How many attempts at overtaking.... Big fat zero! !!!

Their all waiting for the pit stops = BORING

Yawn yawn :-)
 
Rain in 4 to 12 min.... Bring it on!!!! :-D
 
mxfun said:
How many passing moves.... Big fat zero! !!!

How many attempts at overtaking.... Big fat zero! !!!

Their all waiting for the pit stops = BORING

Yawn yawn :-)
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Why are you watching it?
 
Slimbert said:
And do you think less of Senna and Mansell because they had it "way too easy" compared to Ascari and Fangio?! :thinking:
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No comparison in my opinion on the car front I'm afraid ,however I think Ascari & Fangio had more skill and balls considering the cars they drove compared to the cars Senna and Mansel had.
 
mxfun said:
No comparison in my opinion on the car front I'm afraid ,however I think Ascari & Fangio had more skill and balls considering the cars they drove compared to the cars Senna and Mansel had.
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I'm struggling to read exactly what you mean, but it looks like you're contradicting yourself tbh!! :shrug:
 
Not the greatest Monaco race.

Shame the rain came too late, that would have meant a fantastic last few laps.
 
mxfun said:
Monaco GP yawn yawn, how bloody boring is this. About time they pick a new venue, f 1 has outgrown this place . It's a traffic jam .

I mean, other circuits have spent millions on making their track safer ,these cars weren't designed for this type of track ,plus I'd taketh bet that the drivers aren't on it 100%.
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Actually those cars today were designed and developed specifically for that one track.

mxfun said:
How many passing moves.... Big fat zero! !!!

How many attempts at overtaking.... Big fat zero! !!!

Their all waiting for the pit stops = BORING

Yawn yawn :-)
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I saw several overtaking attempts.
 
By stark contrast there was a record amount of overtaking in the Indy 500 and for the 2nd year in a row a hugely exciting finish. It's just a pity the DW12 is so pig ugly.
 
Comfortably Numb said:
Not the greatest Monaco race.
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Have to agree with the sentiment :shake:

F1 without Monaco - can't really see it as of all the races it appears to be the one they all want to win. Probably because of the history. Also it has to be the biggest PR exercise of the year.

And there have been some bloody exciting races there over the years.

Well done Webber - yet another winner this season, for keeping up the interest:thumbs:

So lets get on to Canada and hope for another interesting race like last year.:D
 
Yaaaaaaaaawwwwwwnnnnnnn.

78 laps of wide cars on a narrow track driving slowly enough so their tyres don't wear out.

Remind me what F1 is supposed to be about again.
 
Stratman said:
Remind me what F1 is supposed to be about again.
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Crossing the finishing line first. Fairly sure someone did that yesterday.

Canada in a fortnight, should be plenty of overtaking there and maybe rain as well given recent history.
 
Anyone have any thoughts on this w/ends penalties, compared to Barcelona?

Hamilton gets sent to the back of the grid for, through no fault of his own, not having enough fuel...
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Maldonado getting 10 place penalty for driving into Perez, on purpose, described as "using his car as a weapon", for which he has previous form...

Doesn't seem entirely coherent to me. :shrug:
 
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