Thank you wedding cards Image charge?

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I have been asked by the couple from last week's wedding for a price of an image cropped to 100mm x 70mm to be e-mailed to them for using with a company called Bonus Print to make thank you cards.

The image is really small and I was thinking of charging between £15 & £20 which will enable the couple to send to Bonus Print for at least 150 thank you cards, as well as free to print out as many as they want at a later stage.

Is this reasonable or am I charging too much/little?

I value your thoughts - thanks.
 
I charge £25 per hi-res wedding image.
 
WeddingHack said:
I charge £25 per hi-res wedding image.
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Ah, that's interesting Duncan. So am I correct in understanding that you charge £25.00 per image not cropped at all, and therefore hi-res jpg.

Hmmm, I was going to crop it to the size the couple require for forwarding to Bonus Print. If that is the case, then my charges are way over the top :thinking: Perhaps I should just ask for £10.00 then.
 
Same size that it comes from the camera.

You shouldn't charge less because it's smaller - you're not charging by the pixel ... you're charging for an image.
 
fabs said:
When you say "Crop" are you talking about reducing the file size or cropping the image?
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Not reducing the file size - just cropping the image using the crop tool in photoshop CS3 to measure exactly 100mm x 70mm and then save it as the best quality jpg. Although, the file size has automatically been reduced to 725kb. So I guess the answer is Yes.

WeddingHack said:
Same size that it comes from the camera.

You shouldn't charge less because it's smaller - you're not charging by the pixel ... you're charging for an image.
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Hadn't really thought of it like that. Very good point. Thanks Guys for giving me food for thought and guidance. :thumbs:
 
Gilly B said:
Not reducing the file size - just cropping the image using the crop tool in photoshop CS3 to measure exactly 100mm x 70mm and then save it as the best quality jpg. Although, the file size has automatically been reduced to 725kb. So I guess the answer is Yes.
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I'm confused. When I crop an image, I crop to a ratio rather than to a size in millimetres. Is it just part of the image that the client wants then? How do they know the size they want you to crop to?
 
fabs said:
I'm confused. When I crop an image, I crop to a ratio rather than to a size in millimetres. Is it just part of the image that the client wants then? How do they know the size they want you to crop to?
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Firstly, I have only ever used the crop tool and the typed in the exact sizes the customer has asked for, eg. 8x10, 7x5 etc. However, not quite understanding your last comment, I got out the Scott Kelby Photoshop CS2 book and read up on the different crop methods. Yikes! have I really been using the wrong method all this time. I have just carried out 3 examples of cropping and realise that using aspect ratio to crop the 'size' of the file remains the same as the original uncropped image, whereas the crop method I usually use has reduced the file size to 725kb.

Gosh thanks fabs for pointing that out. I think I am going to have to change the way I work from now on.

Your last point - The couple have sent me an e-mail asking me to crop the image to 100mm x 70mm to fit in a template on a thank you card for a company called Bonus Print.

So finally, what you are saying is, if I put the above measurements into the crop line (above workspace) and then use aspect ratio method to crop it, then when I e-mail the image to the client, they should be able to drop it into the template - albeit several megabytes large. Or, should I send this large version and a reduced file cropped to their requirements?

I think I have confused myself now:thinking:
 
Ok, I think I'm with you now. I use Elements 5 rather than CS3 so I'm not sure if cropping works the same. It sounds to me like you only need to crop to get the correct ratio (In this case 10 x 7). I would have thought that Bonus print would automatically resize the image to fit the card. I know that when I want an 8 x 10 print from Photobox, I upload the full hi res image to keep the highest quality, the they resize for the final print.
 
If you provide a 1200x840 pixel image, it'll print 100x70mm at 300dpi and should be fine.
 
Thanks Photon. I will have a go at that now.

Can I please ask you if you crop to specific sizes or use aspect ratio?

This whole cropping issue has confused the hell out of me. How do you know how many pixels you require for a particular size image? I don't mind reading up on it or finding a chart etc. Would really appreciate a pointer in the right direction?

What do others do? or maybe I should start another thread.
 
Are you sure they don't just want the whole image resized to 100x70?
 
So all this time you've been cropping and removing parts of your images instead of resizing????

Well at least you can rectify that for future images. :)
 
photon said:
If you provide a 1200x840 pixel image, it'll print 100x70mm at 300dpi and should be fine.
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I have tried to do the above and it defaults to 240dpi. If I change it to 300dpi, then the other sizes automatically change to 1050x1576 ? All 3 boxes are checked (Scale Styles, Constrain Proportions & Resample Image) and the other box is set at Bicubic (best for smooth gradients). To be honest, I have never changed these settings, so I don't know what is correct or not. :shrug:
 
ThisPhotoGuy said:
So all this time you've been cropping and removing parts of your images instead of resizing????

Well at least you can rectify that for future images. :)
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Yup! However, what if someone asks for an 8x10 and it doesn't fit the aspect ratio which is more like 8x12?
 
Dave Scanlon said:
Hi Gilly

I use peak imaging for my prints, their web site gives file sizes for optimum prints
http://www.peak-imaging.co.uk/

click on prints from digital / film,
they're all at 254 dpi though, or 100 dots/ cm if you're metricated :thumbs:
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Thanks, I have just printed the information out. Very useful :thumbs:
 
Gilly B said:
Yup! However, what if someone asks for an 8x10 and it doesn't fit the aspect ratio which is more like 8x12?
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Which is often the issue with printing. Most cameras use a 3:2 ratio whoch will print in entirety for 6x4 and 12x8, but if you want 7x5 or 8x10 you will have to crop part of the image to achieve that ratio. that's why its often a good idea to take this into account when composing an image and leave enough space around the subject.
 
Gilly

Untick resample before you make any changes, Then all you need do is set the dpi and the size of the print
 
Gilly B said:
How do you know how many pixels you require for a particular size image?
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100x70mm is required, and that's near enough 4x2.8inches.

The maximum dpi (dots per inch) you're likely to find for a colour print is 300, so multiplying the width-x-height size in inches by 300 will give you the size in dots. And dots means pixels.

There's a resolution chart for BonusPrint linked from http://www.bonusprint.co.uk/pages/digital_prints_help_images.htm?level=0&sub=6&topic=Images
and you should be OK with 250-300dpi.
 
Chappers said:
Gilly

Untick resample before you make any changes, Then all you need do is set the dpi and the size of the print
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Aha, I have learnt something else tonight. Thanks.

photon said:
100x70mm is required, and that's near enough 4x2.8inches.

The maximum dpi (dots per inch) you're likely to find for a colour print is 300, so multiplying the width-x-height size in inches by 300 will give you the size in dots. And dots means pixels.

There's a resolution chart for BonusPrint linked from http://www.bonusprint.co.uk/pages/digital_prints_help_images.htm?level=0&sub=6&topic=Images
and you should be OK with 250-300dpi.
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I will have to read this again tomorrow when my brain is fresh :eek::thinking: Thanks for the link. Gillian:thumbs:
 
Gilly,

I'd be tempted to get a cost from Sim 2000 for their wedding cards (you can include more than one photo as all faces are printable IIRC and you can also include your logo and contact details on the back). Offer to create one for them using your skills as a photographic artist. Clearly charging them a suitable markup - you should make more than £25 by doing that and someone else pays for promoting you.
 
chewyuk said:
Gilly - Is it too late to include it as part of the overall price, or will this be a one off? I would be tempted if you are charging to offer a freebie - perhaps?
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Neil, I had thought of this as well. Maybe to say my usual charge is £25.00 per image, however on this occasion waive the charge.:thinking:

SimonTALM said:
Gilly,

I'd be tempted to get a cost from Sim 2000 for their wedding cards (you can include more than one photo as all faces are printable IIRC and you can also include your logo and contact details on the back). Offer to create one for them using your skills as a photographic artist. Clearly charging them a suitable markup - you should make more than £25 by doing that and someone else pays for promoting you.
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Good idea, but as my Schools fundraising events start this Saturday through 'til November, I really don't need extra work - but certainly an idea to think about for the next year's weddings. I could make up some samples and include it as part of a package. Good idea! thanks Simon
 
And just what will that gesture of goodwill bring you? Are you going ot do another wedding for them next year then?

When you go to a shop to buy something do you feel bad when they ask you to pay for it? Or do you expect them to give you 4 mars bars so you'll go back and buy a 4 pack of beer next week?

You provide a service and goods - charge for it. You should be charging EXTRA because you have to resize the image and email it to a 3rd party. You are doing extra work and if you don't charge you are doing that extra work for nothing, PLUS giving them an extra service.

Try and get the painter and decorator to do the downstairs toilet fo rnothing because they did three upstairs bedrooms. Doesn't happen does it.

You don't have to charge the earth, but £25 is not over the top. When you go to the pub, make friends. When you go to work - make money and don't give it away to clients.
 
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