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I live in a small blockend (I hate the term cul-de-sac) road, parking is sometimes difficult with many families owning more than 1 car. It's got to the point that 3 or 4 houses now put their bin in the road outside their house if they go out reserving their parking space, I have in the past moved a neighbours bin to allow me to park, but today I found a spot outside another house as another neighbour had parked outside my house, anyway I got back to my car to find the bin was now on the pavement pushed up against the door of my car. I knocked the door to ask why that had done that, but lo and behold they 'know nothing about it'. There was no damage to my car, I just wanted to know why someone felt the need to do that. I mean, if you want your own parking space, buy a house with a drive or garage.
 
I live on an estate, its a through road and does get used as a rat run.
Most houses have a drive capable of holding 2 cars, and yet some of those park outside their house with one of their cars. I can only assume its to stop others
parking outside their house. ( which obviously it does happen if others have visitors or more than 2 cars)
 
A long whinge.

I have three cars but I never leave them on the road, one is in the garage and two are in the drive. Other people with identical properties with the same ability to perhaps fit one car in their garage and perhaps another three in their drives always leave their one car on the road. The family next door on one side never put a car in their garage but thankfully only leave one of their three cars on the road, the neighbours on the other side have two cars but never use their garage, one car goes in the drive and the other is left on the road. Not using a garage seems to be a thing here. The people opposite have two cars and never use their garage. Her car will be in the drive and his is parked on the road directly opposite our drive. Garages might be full of stuff or maybe opening and shutting garages is just too much bother for them.

A few yards down the road there's a school with a long boundary fence and pavement. Residents and visitors could park their cars along this stretch but never do. It's as if they're frightened of being picked off by snipers on this exposed stretch of road. This annoys me as with so many cars parked on the road it's sometimes difficult for me to get out as there'll be a car bang opposite and a car on the road to both the left and right of our drive and I have to do a shuffle backwards and forwards to turn to get out and pointed the right way.

Further down the road there's a T junction and when coming home it's often impossible to drive on the correct side of the road because of all the parked cars. This means that if anything at all is coming up the road when I'm waiting to turn onto it I have to wait. At school kicking out time it's absolute bedlam and parents will not park on the specially created lane on the nearby main road. It's normal to see zero cars there. Politely complaining to parents who block our drive when I want to be in or out long before school closing time (there's competition for spaces so they start turning up long before) isn't fun and one told me if I didn't like it I should move. I'm much more forceful now, very forceful in fact. I don't ask nicely as I've learned my lesson, I now just yank open the drivers door and tell the shocked driver to move and to move now, and this works.
 
I remember the days when even one car in the street was rare and no-one even had a drive/garage. Now neighbour one side has four and the other side have two - all parked on the street!
 
Al1944 said:
I remember the days when even one car in the street was rare and no-one even had a drive/garage. Now neighbour one side has four and the other side have two - all parked on the street!
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We used to play in the street and if we saw a car coming the chances were it'd turn off before getting to us. In those days if you had a push bike you were well off.
 
A thought I had. This problem will only get worse as youngsters can't afford their own houses so they stay at home but buy a car. I imagine newly-married couples sometimes have to stay with parents/in-laws for a while,too This situation has now been made worse because I'm hearing on radio phone-ins that mortgages that have ended their fixed term have,in some cases, doubled. What folly of the lenders to allow seven and eight times loan with interest rates at 1-2%..as was. Instead of saying "an accident waiting to happen" it was "a financial disaster waiting to happen"
 
Two things:
1. thankfully along our road, a fairly main one, most houses have parking for upto 3 or 4 on the front where a garden might once hav been, plus a grass verge which is increasingly used to park another one or two cars. So no road parking generally, however it's sad to see veritable car parks in front of houses instead of lawns and flower borders.
2. Excessive mortgage lending has created a monster, over-priced houses and over-indebted people. However, I would be so cheesed off if the govt did what some are asking for and give financial help to people who are struggling with increased mortgage payments. Where were those calls for support when we were paying 9 to 15% back in the 1980's? People need the reality check and stop paying for high-end cars on PCP instead of paying down mortgages. Around here, I see plenty of people still out shopping big time, in Land/RangeRover cars and similar, usually at least 2 cars obviously on PCP, parked in front of very modest houses in need of improvement or maintenance. Peoples priorities have become warped because money was cheap and available for too long.
 
JohnC6 said:
A thought I had. This problem will only get worse as youngsters can't afford their own houses so they stay at home but buy a car. I imagine newly-married couples sometimes have to stay with parents/in-laws for a while,too This situation has now been made worse because I'm hearing on radio phone-ins that mortgages that have ended their fixed term have,in some cases, doubled. What folly of the lenders to allow seven and eight times loan with interest rates at 1-2%..as was. Instead of saying "an accident waiting to happen" it was "a financial disaster waiting to happen"
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The affordability criteria are much stricter now than they were before the 2008 crash and designed to ensure people can afford it when rates rise. In the last few years I've read so many "I'm already paying this much in rent, why can't I get a mortgage that would be cheaper?" whinges, and interest rates starting to nudge toward (but still short of) historically normal levels like is happening now is the reason they couldn't borrow then - they'd be in a huge financial hole.

We don't know how the people complaining about increases now got their mortgages - maybe they had more income then, maybe they though money would always be cheap and borrowed on loans / cards as well limiting their resilience to financial shocks, or maybe they were unlucky as this definitely does happen.

I've always remained on a tracker rather than paying for a fix and as a consequence mine has gone up by £102/mo from when the base rate was at its lowest to today.


Al1944 said:
I remember the days when even one car in the street was rare and no-one even had a drive/garage.
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90 years ago my grandparents bought an end-terrace house in Perivale (west London) straight after their marriage which had both a drive and a garage. They couldn't afford a car though, grandad would cycle to Slough to work. When they did eventually get a car grandad and his brother paid half each and they shared it!
 
lindsay said:
Peoples priorities have become warped because money was cheap and available for too long.
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I think some people have lost any ability to budget or to even consider the impact their spending has over time but I think this has been going on and building for a long time. Decades ago I had a GF who just couldn't and wouldn't stop spending and of course it was all on her credit card and she struggled to meet the minimum payments. These days I think this is much more common and it is easy for everything to be on what we used to call the never never and apart from the stress of it all which doesn't seem to hit some people until much later in the debt build up process what are the consequences? Well, pretty mild maybe until things get epic. When things got too stressful for that ex GF of mine I paid her debts but the experience made zero difference to her lifestyle and spending habits.
 
lindsay said:
Two things:
1. thankfully along our road, a fairly main one, most houses have parking for upto 3 or 4 on the front where a garden might once hav been, plus a grass verge which is increasingly used to park another one or two cars. So no road parking generally, however it's sad to see veritable car parks in front of houses instead of lawns and flower borders.
2. Excessive mortgage lending has created a monster, over-priced houses and over-indebted people. However, I would be so cheesed off if the govt did what some are asking for and give financial help to people who are struggling with increased mortgage payments. Where were those calls for support when we were paying 9 to 15% back in the 1980's? People need the reality check and stop paying for high-end cars on PCP instead of paying down mortgages. Around here, I see plenty of people still out shopping big time, in Land/RangeRover cars and similar, usually at least 2 cars obviously on PCP, parked in front of very modest houses in need of improvement or maintenance. Peoples priorities have become warped because money was cheap and available for too long.
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In general I agree.........

Too little concern about the roof over their heads than the "materialism" of their lives.

Where during this period of ridiculously low interest rates have people not realised that rates would inevitably go up...........so where are all the sensible folk who have saved (granted with "squat" savings rates!) for that 'now arrived' rainy day!!!!
 
We have neighbours who have a drive enough for one car. Have now started parking opposite side for both their cars. Then on top he bought a little vw camper van which they park... . Outside the drive. Then next door have 3-4 cars depending who is home but park with enough space either side to NEARLY get a car in. I live on my own and even bought a smaller car to squeeze in between. 108. Still can't park... its the spaces they leave inbetween as if they are learner drivers that makes me mad
 
The road that I used to live on had 2 schools just round the corner. I came home one day and found a strange car parked in my drive. I had an idea why it was there so I parked across it to stop the owner sneaking back and buggering off. Went in the house.

Ten minutes later a woman came to my door and asked me who the car behind hers belonged to (yes, she was blondish). I told her it was mine and asked for £5 or I'd call the police.

She refused and got in her car and reversed back towards mine almost touching the door. Locked herself in along with her child and refused to speak to me. Eventually, 30 minutes later, I let her go. She never did it again.
 
Meant to add that when I asked her why she had parked on my drive she said that she couldn't find a parking space and thought that because I was at work it wouldn't hurt for a few minutes.

I was on shifts at the time on an early.
 
Harriers9 said:
I told her it was mine and asked for £5 or I'd call the police.
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I think Chris's idea would be better, especially as she'd spend a lot of time looking for "the other mum". :naughty:
 
Harriers9 said:
The road that I used to live on had 2 schools just round the corner. I came home one day and found a strange car parked in my drive. I had an idea why it was there so I parked across it to stop the owner sneaking back and buggering off. Went in the house.

Ten minutes later a woman came to my door and asked me who the car behind hers belonged to (yes, she was blondish). I told her it was mine and asked for £5 or I'd call the police.

She refused and got in her car and reversed back towards mine almost touching the door. Locked herself in along with her child and refused to speak to me. Eventually, 30 minutes later, I let her go. She never did it again.
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It beggars belief what some people will do. I'd have made her wait an hour. Btw..you say it was a "strange car" that on your drive..what was strange about it ?
 
Box Brownie said:
so where are all the sensible folk who have saved (granted with "squat" savings rates!) for that 'now arrived' rainy day!!!!
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We paid our Mortgage off about 10 years ago, I kept suggesting to the Mrs that we should "get somewhere a bit nicer" but she refused and said that we could easily afford the £500 mortgage. Before I left London some of my colleagues were paying £2,500 a month on their mortgage...... I'm glad I listened to the Mrs, it allowed us to pay it off early and I stopped full time work at 56, sold up and moved to the country.....
 
Harriers9 said:
The road that I used to live on had 2 schools just round the corner. I came home one day and found a strange car parked in my drive. I had an idea why it was there so I parked across it to stop the owner sneaking back and buggering off. Went in the house.

Ten minutes later a woman came to my door and asked me who the car behind hers belonged to (yes, she was blondish). I told her it was mine and asked for £5 or I'd call the police.

She refused and got in her car and reversed back towards mine almost touching the door. Locked herself in along with her child and refused to speak to me. Eventually, 30 minutes later, I let her go. She never did it again.
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My mum used to live on a really busy red route in London. It was a pain to park near the house whenever we visited so eventually I persuaded her to have the front garden concreted over. A few weeks after the work was finished I had mum on the phone complaining.

Firstly a workman had parked his van on the drive and was just about to walk off with his tools and kit when she challenged him and got “oh I’m just working down the road, I won’t be long missus!” He got told to move on in no uncertain times.

A few days later a car parked on her drive and a load of Chinese people got out. Mum thought at first they’d made a mistake with the address but the driver said they were going to a wedding celebration at a park further along the road and there was nowhere left to park, so she “took a chance and used your drive”. Mum told them it was private property and to b*gger off before she got the police got involved.

It seems some people have no respect or shame. I had to put in lockable posts shortly afterwards. Unbelievable.
 
boogie man said:
My mum used to live on a really busy red route in London. It was a pain to park near the house whenever we visited so eventually I persuaded her to have the front garden concreted over. A few weeks after the work was finished I had mum on the phone complaining.

Firstly a workman had parked his van on the drive and was just about to walk off with his tools and kit when she challenged him and got “oh I’m just working down the road, I won’t be long missus!” He got told to move on in no uncertain times.

A few days later a car parked on her drive and a load of Chinese people got out. Mum thought at first they’d made a mistake with the address but the driver said they were going to a wedding celebration at a park further along the road and there was nowhere left to park, so she “took a chance and used your drive”. Mum told them it was private property and to b*gger off before she got the police got involved.

It seems some people have no respect or shame. I had to put in lockable posts shortly afterwards. Unbelievable.
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I had a guy in a van park on my drive in front of my car once! Had no idea where he was so I just kept my hand on my horn until he turned up. "I thought you were at work so I used your drive". I started parking at the end of the drive after that....
 
Just an update, the neighbour who used the bin as her bollard now has a printed sign in her window with "parking for number XX only",.......there's lovely.
 
Many years ago, our landlady kept a car under her bedroom window purely to stop other people parking there. The car was used once a year - I say "used" but mean "moved"; to be MOTed. A friend of hers would clean the car every month or so.
 
House builders rarely accommodate parking, if they do they will calculate for the minimum, so with that in mind it stands to reason that if you own more than one car and live in a place where you have parking for only one car then find somewhere else to park your other cars and stop thinking you are J Leno, simples.
 
Usernameuser said:
House builders rarely accommodate parking, if they do they will calculate for the minimum, so with that in mind it stands to reason that if you own more than one car and live in a place where you have parking for only one car then find somewhere else to park your other cars and stop thinking you are J Leno, simples.
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This makes me wonder if you're on planet reality or not.
 
woof woof said:
This makes me wonder if you're on planet reality or not.
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I think he is on planet reality.

If your house lacks integral parking or has parking for too few of your cars, you have to resign yourself to the difficulties of sharing the parking with your neighbours and visitors. Any other approach is just plain daft.
 
AndrewFlannigan said:
I think he is on planet reality.

If your house lacks integral parking or has parking for too few of your cars, you have to resign yourself to the difficulties of sharing the parking with your neighbours and visitors. Any other approach is just plain daft.
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You don't have to think you're J Leno to be a more than one car household but if you are a multi car household annoying your neighbours is not only plain daft it's annoying and selfish. Believing that people or households with more than one car are in any way deluded or selfish is simplistic and daft and likely to be wrong.

Not everyone can manage without a car. Many have to live and work in areas not well served (if served at all) by public transport. For these reasons housing and infrastructure should be built around reality not some unachievable 15 minute city fantasy.
 
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woof woof said:
Believing that people or households with more than one car are in any way deluded or selfish is simplistic and daft and likely to be wrong.
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Neither he nor I wrote anything like that.

We both made the same point: if you need to park on the street, as many of us do, you have to be tolerant of other people's foibles.
 
No. He made a silly and vagally insulting point and you seemed well on the road to agreeing in your previous post.

We should all park responsibly and avoid conflicts but equally planners should accept the reality that exists for many households who need more than one car for very real and practical reasons.
 
woof woof said:
No. He made a silly and vagally insulting point and you seemed well on the road to agreeing in your previous post.
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I have to disagree with you.

His post didn't appear silly or insulting to me. I admit the "J. Leno" reference confused me but I gather that said person has several cars,
 
woof woof said:
You don't have to think you're J Leno to be a more than one car household but if you are a multi car household annoying your neighbours is not only plain daft it's annoying and selfish. Believing that people or households with more than one car are in any way deluded or selfish is simplistic and daft and likely to be wrong.

Not everyone can manage without a car. Many have to live and work in areas not well served (if served at all) by public transport. For these reasons housing and infrastructure should be built around reality not some unachievable 15 minute city fantasy.
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Thats not what I meant, I meant if you live somewhere where parking is an issue and confined to one car per household then park your extra cars somewhere else, s walking to a car parked a street or two away really isnt the end of the world, the 'I live here so I can park here' thing going on, it doesnt work like that.
 
Usernameuser said:
House builders rarely accommodate parking, if they do they will calculate for the minimum, so with that in mind it stands to reason that if you own more than one car and live in a place where you have parking for only one car then find somewhere else to park your other cars and stop thinking you are J Leno, simples.
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I have absolutely no idea who J Leno is, and even less of an idea as to what he/she has to do with street parking.
 
Massive car collector who treats his cars as things to be used more than as investments. Worth seeking out his u-choob channel if you're any sort of petrolhead.
 
Usernameuser said:
House builders rarely accommodate parking, if they do they will calculate for the minimum, so with that in mind it stands to reason that if you own more than one car and live in a place where you have parking for only one car then find somewhere else to park your other cars and stop thinking you are J Leno, simples.
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Leaving parking spaces means less room for houses, less profit, totally against house builder rules.
 
Nod said:
Massive car collector who treats his cars as things to be used more than as investments. Worth seeking out his u-choob channel if you're any sort of petrolhead.
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If you are any sort of petrol head and dont know who he is then you are not any sort of petrol head.

People are lazy and selfish. They will park as close as possible to where they need to be and do not care about anyone else or have the forethought to park or stop with any consideration to causing the least inconvenience to other users.
 
My opposite neighbour was the worse, for double parking with me.
(at the time I had to park one on the road, usually the firms vehicle)

One evening, I saw blue lights outside, obviously curious I looked out to see a stationary fire engine,
yep he'd done it again, as one of the guys got out to find the owner of
one of the cars, I saw the class one t***t, turn his downstairs house lights off!!!

Some evenings we would get home roughly the same time, I've even had him follow me though the estate, ( its rather twisty with plenty of blind bends )
And at any opportunity would overtake me to get "home" first. I'm surprised he is still alive TBH, boy racers ( not so much now) used it a fun track, due to the tight bends,
It would only have taken one coming around a bend at speed...

Thankfully he's long gone.
 
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Cobra said:
My opposite neighbour was the worse, for double parking with me.
(at the time I had to park one on the road, usually the firms vehicle)

One evening, I saw blue lights outside, obviously curious I looked out to see a stationary fire engine,
yep he'd done it again, as one of the guys got out to find the owner of
one of the cars, I saw the class one t***t, turn his downstairs house lights off!!!
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We live on a service road with enough width to park a car on the road and a large 7.5toner get past. You then get some tit have visitors who park on the pavement - its against the by-laws in our borough so finable so people cant walk down the pavement - it will be the only car out of about 40 others that parks like it. I dont get why the driver does it when no one else is.
Alternatively they park on the non-house side between 2 parked cars so anyone coming down has to slalom around them. The best is the nurse that visits the elderly lady 3 doors down that could park across the shared drive that isnt used by the neighbours as they park both cars on the front garden or park in the elderly ladies paved front garden.
 
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