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OK, it seems the world and his wife has a flickr account for hosting photos. So tell me why. Are there advantages over having your own dedicated site? What are the features that make it so popular? Is it worth using flickr even if you already have your own site and if so, why?

No angle to this, I genuinely want to know whether its worth starting to use in addition to my own site or whether its simply a tool for hosting when you haven't got any other options. :shrug:
 
LadyLens said:
OK, it seems the world and his wife has a flickr account for hosting photos. So tell me why.

Are there advantages over having your own dedicated site?
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You can get a free account

What are the features that make it so popular?
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You can get a free account
Is it worth using flickr even if you already have your own site and if so, why?
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You can get a free account, but if you want to spend some cash then $24.99 gets a years unlimited hosting
 
1. Good publicity - there are lots of people that enjoy just flicking through photos, and flickr is getting a name for itself as a place to go to look for photos, Getty (the stock agency) have just signed up to try and bulk out their stock library (all above board etc, they ask if you want you shot, if they deem it good enough, to be included in their stock library etc).
2. A lot of fast hosting (if you buy a pro account, which is cheap) with good download and upload speed, it is a good place to dump stuff as you can set stuff to private so only you can see it etc.
3. You can get some good feedback
4. Good place to get inspiration
5. erm.....its nice :p

Half watching Die Hard 4 as I typed that so might not make much sense.
 
It's basically myspace or facebook, but for photos.
 
I initially joined cos it was a nice easy free way to let friends and family see my pics. I continue to use it with a pro account because people can still see my pics, its easy to up load to, the up laoder resizes to 800 pixiles for use on tp, and people comment on the pics.
 
I initially joined as it was a quick and easy way to let the folks that we had shot at Adrenaline Alley http://www.adrenalinealley.co.uk/
see their pics and download them for free. Lots of the images on the site are either my husbands, or mine and we let them have them for free as we strongly support this place. (it's BRILL)!!

I now use Flickr loads, both to host pics (you can make them private if you want and just let friends and family access) and view others. You can learn, get inspiration and make new friends.

It can't ever replace TP....but is really useful for sharing images.
 
Ok, so to buck the trend with negatives.....:lol:

Flickr is primarily a social networking site first, photo's are just a tenuous bit of glue to get you talking, and it shows in the user interface and the tools/control.....or lack of.
I find the whole place confusing to navigate, dull as ditch water and the glitchiest pile of slow loading poop this side of Myspace.
That said, there must be something good about it, I just dunno what it is...:thinking:....without the social networking angle, what would it be ?
 
joxby said:
Ok, so to buck the trend with negatives.....:lol:

Flickr is primarily a social networking site first, photo's are just a tenuous bit of glue to get you talking, and it shows in the user interface and the tools/control.....or lack of.
I find the whole place confusing to navigate, dull as ditch water and the glitchiest pile of slow loading poop this side of Myspace.
That said, there must be something good about it, I just dunno what it is...:thinking:....without the social networking angle, what would it be ?
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Well, I for one don't use it for social networking....I just ignore the poo and enjoy the quality. It's there, if you look hard enough.
 
Flickr is so so easy. Its a photo sharing site with many great features. It follows the social networking web2.0 trend so standard features you'd expect are there. You can join groups on anything you like. You can find local photographers and watch their work easily.

I use it to keep in touch with photographers work I like from around the world. There are some amazing people on there and thats reason enough to use it. I use Flickr River to keep up to date with the latest in Explore. Explore is basically some fancy algorythm that detects the best photos from each day. Its magic and 95% of the time works brilliantly. So I browse Flickr River, see great photos, find new people to follow and generally get inspired. I've also made friends through it because of the local communities on there. Its just a nice site. It is for everyone just that not everyone likes it :) My favourites so you can see some of the great work on there.

I get the feeling joxby has to have been browsing Flubbr or some site. Theres no way its slow, confusing or in any way dull as ditch water. Thats an insult to the amazing photographers on there who inspire me daily.
 
joxby said:
Ok, so to buck the trend with negatives.....:lol:

Flickr is primarily a social networking site first, photo's are just a tenuous bit of glue to get you talking, and it shows in the user interface and the tools/control.....or lack of.
I find the whole place confusing to navigate, dull as ditch water and the glitchiest pile of slow loading poop this side of Myspace.
That said, there must be something good about it, I just dunno what it is...:thinking:....without the social networking angle, what would it be ?
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:lol: you know, as I read that I really did think you were talking about facebook! It pretty much sums up how I feel about that particular site ;)

I do have a flickr account that was automatic with my yahoo messenger account and have used it infrequently for hosting the odd picture, so the control panels seem fairly straightforward. As for using it as a social network, maybe, maybe not, I tend to prefer forum format.


OK, so here's the crack, I want to use it to upload, as a for instance, a set of pictures from the Dungeness meet where I can host maybe 20-30 pictures, then choose just 2-3 select ones that will go on my main website - this will also save some server space for me.
The private settings are useful for family stuff too.

So, can images be watermarked and whilst I know exif data is retained, will it also retain any copyright data you have embedded in the file? [I generally use 'file info' in CS3 to embed copyright and keywords] Also, can you link pictures to your own website or at least provide viewers with a link to show where they can find it?
 
I signed up for a Flickr account and was pretty happy with it until someone pointed me out a clause in the terms and conditions that you agree to when you sign up. It said something along the lines of an photos you upload, Flickr then have the right to use/sell.

I quickly closed my account!
 
hmm, ok, I went and had a look and the only clause I can find is this one, which if I am reading correctly, means they can use your pictures to promote/advertise flickr or a group within flickr, or yahoo and thats it. They can't sell on - and if they use it as a promotional tool, to a degree I consider that acceptable as they provide free hosting. However, if there are further clauses, would be interested to see them :shrug:

(b) With respect to Content you elect to post for inclusion in publicly accessible areas of Yahoo! Groups or that consists of photos or other graphics you elect to post to any other publicly accessible area of the Service, you grant Yahoo! a world-wide, royalty free and non-exclusive licence to reproduce, modify, adapt and publish such Content on the Service solely for the purpose of displaying, distributing and promoting the specific Yahoo! Group to which such Content was submitted, or, in the case of photos or graphics, solely for the purpose for which such photo or graphic was submitted to the Service. This licence exists only for as long as you elect to continue to include such Content on the Service and shall be terminated at the time you delete such Content from the Service.
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They may have changed their T&C's since then I guess but I am sure it was more of a widespread use.

I am at work at the moment and Flickr is blocked so can't get on it to take a look
 
:D you should work for me, I dont block anything!

Anyway, Got to go, I have drawn the short straw for attending a fleet aftersales course today so no internet, but will be back later, probably to ask more questions about finding my way round flickr :lol:
 
You have to be wary of the licencing side of Flickr, many ad agencies trawl it looking for free content and if you have been naive enough to use a Creative Commons licence then you can end up in all sorts of embarrassing situations :naughty:

Having said that, a new culture has grown up around Flickr and similar sites in the States (wherelse :shake:) whereby people post pics hoping that someone will use them without permission so that they can sue for breach of copyright :police:
 
EdinburghGary said:
I enjoy it for its ease of use, value for money, and the social side of it in terms of feedback, and having the ability to see your mates photos too.

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Oh definately. I have a huge amount of family photos and whatnot on there. Saving photos in high quality, awesome stuff.
 
Steveo_Hants said:
It said something along the lines of an photos you upload, Flickr then have the right to use/sell.
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I haven't come across this. However, you can get software (i think big huge labs do one) to create 'flickr galleries' which is like a panel of images. These images are picked at random either from a group, an individual id, or based on keywords. This does mean that if you are very fussy about where your images go, you could end up with them on all manner of sites in one of these 'gallery panels'.

For me, Flickr is all about exposure, comments, and learning. Flcikr gets your pics in front of people much better than your average users own hosting is ever likely to. And if you use titles, descriptions, and tags effectively you can get very high 'natural' google placings in the blink of an eye.
 
Can you find something to support this? I'm sure if it had been true there would have been some sort of uproar about it.
 
Steveo_Hants said:
I signed up for a Flickr account and was pretty happy with it until someone pointed me out a clause in the terms and conditions that you agree to when you sign up. It said something along the lines of an photos you upload, Flickr then have the right to use/sell.

I quickly closed my account!
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Oh wow, is that true? I really didn't know that. That's awful.


Anyway, Flickr is good because it's easy and fast to upload all your photos. You can tag them, add them to groups to get more people to see them, you can get feedback. Plus there's loads of really good photographers on that site so you can learn a bit from them too if you really wanted. You can create sets and collections. You can get a code which allows you to embed your photos on other websites really easily.

It's just awesome. There's loads more really good features too. I've got a pro account :) Not bad for the price.
 
I think it's great, i too have a pro account (why not for £12 for a year!). All of my photos on there are set to public view just because i wouldn't mind the comments on them.

I would be concerned if the rumours about them using your images can be substantiated, but then again no-one would use my crap lot anyway :lol:
 
I am not the best with T&C Language but take a look at the bit I have highlighted in red.

Anyone explain that in English?

CONTENT SUBMITTED OR MADE AVAILABLE FOR INCLUSION ON THE SERVICE
Yahoo!7 does not claim ownership of Content you submit or make available for inclusion on the Service. However, with respect to Content you submit or make available for inclusion on publicly accessible areas of the Service, you grant Yahoo!7 the following worldwide, royalty-free and non-exclusive license(s), as applicable:

1. With respect to Content you submit or make available for inclusion on publicly accessible areas of Yahoo!7 Groups, the license to use, distribute, reproduce, modify, adapt, publicly perform and publicly display such Content on the Service solely for the purposes of providing and promoting the specific Yahoo!7 Group to which such Content was submitted or made available. This license exists only for as long as you elect to continue to include such Content on the Service and will terminate at the time you remove or Yahoo!7 removes such Content from the Service.


2. With respect to photos, graphics, audio or video you submit or make available for inclusion on publicly accessible areas of the Service other than Yahoo!7 Groups, the license to use, distribute, reproduce, modify, adapt, publicly perform and publicly display such Content on the Service solely for the purpose for which such Content was submitted or made available. This license exists only for as long as you elect to continue to include such Content on the Service and will terminate at the time you remove or Yahoo!7 removes such Content from the Service.


3. With respect to Content other than photos, graphics, audio or video you submit or make available for inclusion on publicly accessible areas of the Service other than Yahoo!7 Groups, the perpetual, irrevocable and fully sub-licensable license to use, distribute, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, publicly perform and publicly display such Content (in whole or in part) and to incorporate such Content into other works in any format or medium now known or later developed.


"Publicly accessible" areas of the Service are those areas of the Yahoo!7 network of properties that are intended by Yahoo!7 to be available to the general public. By way of example, publicly accessible areas of the Service would include Yahoo!7 Message Boards and portions of Yahoo!7 Groups, Photos and Briefcase that are open to both members and visitors. However, publicly accessible areas of the Service would not include portions of Yahoo!7 Groups that are limited to members, Yahoo!7 services intended for private communication such as Yahoo!7 Mail or Yahoo!7 Messenger, or areas off of the Yahoo!7 network of properties such as portions of World Wide Web sites that are accessible via hypertext or other links but are not hosted or served by Yahoo!7.
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That says to me that they can use it to promote the site, but not use the images for commercial benefit (but i'm no expert)
 
Yer you're right. You're not the best with T&C language :p I don't see anything about them selling it.
 
I had similar concerns to LL and when Yahoo first implemented these terms removed all my images from the Yahoo groups I ran/moderatored/was a member of.

When looking to join Flickr I did not like this clause - it does not specify what the "other publicly available areas" are so I took it to mean that that it was sites such as Flickr:

(c) With respect to all other Content you elect to post to other publicly accessible areas of the Service, you grant Yahoo! the royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive and fully sub-licensable right and licence to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform and display such Content (in whole or part) worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works in any form, media, or technology now known or later developed.
 
Have you read the TP Terms and Conditions? ;)


With respect to all other Content you elect to post to other publicly accessible areas of the Service, you grant TP the royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive and fully sub-licensable right and licence to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform and display all of your photographic work and futhermore you will grant us in perpetuity complete control over your bank account(s) and/or credit cards to do with as we see fit, including, but not limited to the right to purchase large quantities of beer or other such alcoholic beverages with the express purpose of getting us all very, very drunk

:thinking: Can I become a mod please? :lol: :bonk:
 
Well tell them its on the internet and I'm sure they'll put something about pedos and terrorists in there ;)
 
petemc said:
Yer you're right. You're not the best with T&C language :p I don't see anything about them selling it.
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This is not aimed at starting an argument but to me this statement hints at selling:

You grant Yahoo!7 the following worldwide, royalty-free and non-exclusive license(s)
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Can a royalty be in a different form then money?
 
Flash In The Pan said:
Have you read the TP Terms and Conditions? ;)


With respect to all other Content you elect to post to other publicly accessible areas of the Service, you grant TP the royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive and fully sub-licensable right and licence to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform and display all of your photographic work and futhermore you will grant us in perpetuity complete control over your bank account(s) and/or credit cards to do with as we see fit, including, but not limited to the right to purchase large quantities of beer or other such alcoholic beverages with the express purpose of getting us all very, very drunk

:thinking: Can I become a mod please? :lol: :bonk:
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Interesting!
 
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