Tax Credits. Do I understand this correctly?

[OldCarlos]

Currently choosing to have children without worrying about money is only an option for the poor and the rich. For most 'normal' people money is a big part of the decision.

So the poor and the rich (above £40k) are not `normal`?

Now if you'd put something like;

Currently choosing to have children without worrying about money is only an option for the poor and the rich. For most average people, money is a big part of the decision.

 

[Phil V]

So the poor and the rich (above £40k) are not `normal`?

Now if you'd put something like;

Well you clearly knew what I meant

 

[OldCarlos]

BTW, I do agree with your post

 

[onomatopoeia]

Whilst I'm probably as soft a leftie as you're likely to meet...
People on average salaries are making hard choices about having children, from just above the tax credit threshold to 40k a year, we have to budget to have children.

Currently choosing to have children without worrying about money is only an option for the poor and the rich. For most 'normal' people money is a big part of the decision.

It's one thing for the state to catch people when they hit hard times, it's something else entirely for the state to just keep picking up the tab for people who want to breed like rabbits. It's a tough one to break through after all these years, but it has to be done at some point.

I find myself entirely in agreement with you.

I don't know what the solution is. I do know that as a single, childless, employed person I am not any politician's priority, other than as a cash cow to be milked by HMRC.

 

[big soft moose]

some people could afford children and then lost their jobs and couldn't find a similar paid job. what then?

sell the kids on gumtree...

 

[POAH]

Currently choosing to have children without worrying about money is only an option for the poor and the rich. For most 'normal' people money is a big part of the decision.
It's one thing for the state to catch people when they hit hard times, it's something else entirely for the state to just keep picking up the tab for people who want to breed like rabbits. It's a tough one to break through after all these years, but it has to be done at some point.

sorry but when you are poor money is a worry when you want kids. I know this as we are poor. I find that commet pretty offensive TBH

 

[Phil V]

sorry but when you are poor money is a worry when you want kids. I know this as we are poor. I find that commet pretty offensive TBH

Feel free to be offended. I've worked on a low wage, been on benefit, worked with a lot of people on benefit and lived on a reasonable wage too.
It's a fact that the current welfare system picks up the bill for benefit claimants children. I'm not judging, just stating facts.

Surely it shouldn't be an easier decision for a benefit claimant to have children than a worker on average salary or higher?
Even rich people might have to sacrifice Tarquins private education when Fifi comes along unexpectedly.

I'm neither well off or the remotest bit right wing, but the current system has been taken advantage of by a lot of people for s long time, and the only way to address that is by putting financial limits in place.

If we decided to have another child tomorrow, our household income would drop, not rise, and our outgoings would rise too.

That is 'real life', we'd have to take responsibility for that decision.

If you'd chatted to 15 year old girls who were considering 'single mum' as a career prospect as an alternative to A levels and a job, you'd be as disappointed as I am with the status quo*.

I'm glad there's a safety net, but it has to be proportional to the needs of society as well as individual families.

* the child in question was the daughter of a mother who'd chosen the same path. She had complained that someone had grassed on her for having her boyfriend living with her, despite the fact shed given her second child his surname and was claiming to not be in a relationship.

 

[Cobra]

She had complained that someone had grassed on her for having her boyfriend living with her, despite the fact shed given her second child his surname and was claiming to not be in a relationship.

You would have thought if she was going to abuse the system, she would have at least considered the best way of doing it

/sarcasm

 

[POAH]

our income went down when Sophie was born

 

[Phil V]

our income went down when Sophie was born

That's to be expected, so why don't you feel the same as I about people relying on their income increasing when they have children

 

[POAH]

That's to be expected, so why don't you feel the same as I about people relying on their income increasing when they have children

I do, but thats not bit I was bitching about

 

[Phil V]

I do, but thats not bit I was bitching about

Then you'd have to explain

 

[border_all]

Then you'd have to explain

I think maybe breeding like rabbits perhaps not all people on low income do that for reference I do think the tax credit system has gone a bit far