Talking Gigs Again - this time not from the crowd !

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Ok so I got a great response and some really helpful info last time I posted about gig shooting

Now I'm back and I'd like to know how would you go about shooting if you were in the press area but you had very mobile targets and very variable lighting ?
Varying (very quickly ) From pitch black to multicoloured flashing lights ...

I'm going to be photographing some industrial / cyber metal bands

(for inspiration search noiusf-x, suicide commando,combichrist)

and may be getting a press pass to get out of the crowd and the danger of my kit getting smooched (yay)

Flash will probably be allowed,but depending on where/how high the stage is it might not reach the subject, especially those in the background ie drummer, and obviously it's not all about the singer !

Any pointers would be greatly appreciated :-)
 
When shooting gigs I use a Nikon D3 with an average ISO of 2000/2500 and a 24-70mm 2.8.

For faster subjects where i need a faster shutter speed i will use a prime and shoot f2/2.2.

Usual rules for the pit is first 3 no flash.
 
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What Ian said really. Flash isn't ideal for gig photography because it loses the atmosphere and casts hard shadows/give daylight colours. You may also want to use manual mode to control exposure (depending on how the scene is lit) because light levels are likely to be changing constantly and patchily, and the camera meter will be fooled by hotspots and shadows.

Probably worth doing a hunt on youtube for gig photography tips or similar.

Go take a look at Ian's excellent gig photography, linked in his sig - I think he's got a track record to offer advice on this! :thumbs:
 
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Definitely avoid flash if you can. Depending on the venue/promotor rules it may be disallowed anyway. As Ian says, assume you will get to shoot the first three songs and no flash allowed. Even if flash is allowed, unless there is genuinely not enough light, use it sparingly.
 
My honest advice:

Learn to shoot in manual. In camera metering can't cope with light changes very well.

Only use flash if it is definitely allowed and make sure you underexposed it by a stop from ambient as this is one of the best ways to use flash on live shots. A lot of people will say it ruins the atmosphere and if used badly that is definitely the case. If you are not comfortable with flash don't use it.

If you are allowed to use flash then use sparingly. You will upset the band if you go OTT.

remember the crowd. They paid to be there, don't be a dick to them as some will remind you with a punch.

Be nice to security

Take a breath and shoot. Don't machine gun your way through the first 3. Taking your time usually makes better shots.

Understand that some gigs you can't get amazing shots due to things beyond your control. If this is the case don't beat yourself up. Example the band I shot this week their lighting had periods where I could not focus and iso6400 at f2.8 still gave a completely black image.

Try to enjoy it.
 
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Have you shot many gigs before? before i got close to getting my first press pass I spent a year around local pubs and clubs learning my craft so to speak. there i developed the skill of shooting in all sorts of light situations and still producing good quality images. also knowing my camera inside out and the ability to change setting with a turn of the dial without taking the camera away from my eye. If you asking how you would deal with typical gig lighting are you really ready for a press pass and the expectation that come with it. Who ever gives you the pass will expect a high level of images in return! if your comfortable with that expectation then cool but if your not you could easily scupper any can you have in getting one again in the future if you don't deliver
 
Have you shot many gigs before? before i got close to getting my first press pass I spent a year around local pubs and clubs learning my craft so to speak. there i developed the skill of shooting in all sorts of light situations and still producing good quality images. also knowing my camera inside out and the ability to change setting with a turn of the dial without taking the camera away from my eye. If you asking how you would deal with typical gig lighting are you really ready for a press pass and the expectation that come with it. Who ever gives you the pass will expect a high level of images in return! if your comfortable with that expectation then cool but if your not you could easily scupper any can you have in getting one again in the future if you don't deliver

No I haven't, everyone has to start somewhere and I am hoping this gig will be it, but who knows
for the safety of my kit I need the press pass, it will be very active to say the least!
I'm considering getting a storm cover to protect my camera and lens from the flying beer and god knows what else
 
you really don't need a press pass just for your kit safety, get down you local pub or club with your camera and a 50mm 1.8 and learn your craft instead of expecting to learn it from a press pit, you have to earn the right to shoot from the press pit having establish a strong portfolio of images not because its easier and more comfortable for you.
 
If the venue are willing to give / sell me a press pass, surely that's their decision?

Everyone has to start somewhere, and If I had any pubs that played cyber/goth around me, I would happily frequent them, as I live on the moors, its not exactly possible.

I appreciate everyone who takes the time to reply, but I didn't start the thread to ask whether or not I should be, or have the right to be, in the press pit

I started this thread because I wanted people's opinions / experiences so that I can make my time there (if I get there) worthwhile and produce more usable images for myself and the venue
 
you have to earn the right to shoot from the press pit

Says who? I've been in music professionally for 16 years and I've seen all kinds of people in press pits, even on arena and stadium gigs, from actual press to friends of the band or promotor and all kind of others. As a performer or sound engineer with another band even I've dived in there with my AAA pass to grab a few shots of other people. Who are you to say it has to be "earned"? If someone can get a press pass or otherwise legitimately have access to the pit then they have every right to be there as long as they comply with whatever restrictions the band/tour manager may stipulate, regardless of who they are. It's that simple.

@gothgirl, if you can get a press pass or otherwise get access to the gig then use it and enjoy it! It's up to the band/tour manager, promotor or venue manager (or a combination of all three) who shoots the gig and where from, if they're happy for you to be there then that's all that matters. Having to 'earn' it is nonsense. Have a great night. :)
 
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I have looked through this thread and your thread on Talk Business and have offered advice on what you have asked so far, but I honestly think it is time for a reality check.

Paying for a press pass is wrong. Not because of the reasons you think I am going to say (which are valid) but due to other reasons too.

I can see the temptation, you want to combine your passions, have no need to make money from photography and this is the perfect thing. You can brag to your friends that you shot all these cool bands and they are using your photos. I am well aware how powerful this ego stroke can be. The problem is so are the promoters and they are taking advantage of it.

I'll bust your first myth first. You will more than likely not end up rubbing shoulders with the bands, become their tour photographer and live happily ever after. Yes it is a dream of many who start out in music photography, but honestly it doesn't happen and having met some of my heroes, I wish I hadn’t as some were simply assholes. The bands will probably not be impressed that you have had to pay to take photos of them, as they would have let you do it for free.

You said in your other thread, these bands don’t have money etc. Maybe, but I am sure they have thousands of pounds worth of equipment. This is the same as the broke photographer with his 5D3 and 50 f/1.2 While they may claim poverty, they have a lot of money invested in merch, CD’s etc. Many bands just don’t see photography as something worth investing in.

PMN is answering his own question really. He was a sound engineer who by doing that earned the privilege to use his AAA. Friends of bands, managers etc. have always had this privilege. Is it right? Who is to say, but it stresses the importance of creating a network. It is not what you know, it is who. Making relationships with PR etc. is hugely important and delivering on what you say is also important, which leads me to my next point.

Cutting your teeth in s***ty bars, with s***ty bands and s***ty lighting is not simply earning your right to be in the pit. As I said no on handing out the passes cares about you having shot bands in pubs and there is no requirements to show you’re ready for the big leagues. What it does mean is that you have experience working your camera and making the mistakes when it isn’t important.

You are giving these pics to the promoters, great. They will love that (free stuff, who doesn’t?) but are you able to deliver decent shots? The problem is, even though you are paying for a press pass, they will be expecting quality as you have a professional camera and we all know that is the key to good photos. Now if your photos don’t turn out well and, in your situation there is a large chance they won’t, then what favours are you really doing? The promoters will be upset with the photos, the bands won’t use them as they are not that great and you don’t capture the images you want to, so spend time beating yourself up over it. This means your first network attempt fails miserably, leaves you depressed and makes the next time harder. Don’t get me wrong, I hope you get lots of great shots, but the key is knowing why you got a good shot and repeatability in varied conditions, not just shooting thousands of picks and getting a few good ones.

As a music photographer, extra people in the pit makes my job harder, simple as that. People not knowing what they are doing in any situation makes it harder for those around them. Does it bother me? not really, I see it more that people are being taken advantage of, which makes me sad. Seeing people being exploited is not fun (I await the responses that it isn’t etc.) and that people are so blinded that they can shoot some famous people, that those who know what they are talking about and giving honest advice are simply ignored, or worse, told they are wrong.

I am sure you will shoot this show, but I am not sure you will get what you want out of it.
 
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