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Anna Marie, you haven't actually told us what is worrying about pictures of your children appearing on this woman's website. Are they doing anything wrong in the photo? Are they indecent photos? Or is it purely because they are your children and you didn't give permission?

If it's the latter then I'd recommend you just drop it because the woman has done nothing illegal.
 
Seems no matter what advice is offered from forum members the OP doesn't hear what she wants to so keeps trying until she does?!
From what I read there was nothing illegal. Unless of course as others have already said there is some dubious use of the photos.
Bored with the thread now :(
 
if she wasnt doing anything wrong why hide the fact she owned a camera?? my kids were playing together doing nothing wrong,the fact is they my kids, shes posted my kids without me knowing on a public website for every one to see with there names.is'nt that worring for any parent??? like i sed i was just wanting to know some laws thats it why should i drop it? would you if it was your kids???? if shes got them on one site that i know of how do i know if shes putting them any where else? how would i know if shes got any more?
 
anna_marie09 said:
if she wasnt doing anything wrong why hide the fact she owned a camera?? my kids were playing together doing nothing wrong,the fact is they my kids, shes posted my kids without me knowing on a public website for every one to see with there names.is'nt that worring for any parent??? like i sed i was just wanting to know some laws thats it why should i drop it? would you if it was your kids???? if shes got them on one site that i know of how do i know if shes putting them any where else? how would i know if shes got any more?
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She's done absolutely nothing wrong at all so just drop it.
 
right end of im flipping sorry for asking for advise now

thank you anyway for the help
 
If she's posting them on a site with things like saying she wants to kill them or whatever, then I think it needs looking at...but for the comments. As people said, she's not doing anything wrong technically.
 
If she's posting them on a site with their names, then that falls under Data Protection regulation, and there is a course of action.

However, the act of taking photos of them in an area that is viewable clearly from the public, and posting them on a website (just the act of that) is perfectly legal.

That was your question. :)
To be fair, you're asking a group of photographers who at their very heart are defensive of their right to take photographs, so will be defensive of this act (of taking photos in public) to an extent.

I think your problem is bigger than just photos, you clearly have issues with this neighbour that need to be resolved, and just fighting back over pics of your children isn't going to get you anywhere except a bit of oneupmanship for a while. :)
 
anna_marie09 said:
right end of im flipping sorry for asking for advise now

thank you anyway for the help
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There was nothing wrong with asking for the advice. However if you'd clicked the link in the 3rd post and read what the website said then you wouldn't have needed the other 14 posts you made looking for a different answer.
 
-Rob- said:
There was nothing wrong with asking for the advice. However if you'd clicked the link in the 3rd post and read what the website said then you wouldn't have needed the other 14 posts you made looking for a different answer.
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rudeness isn't an attractive character trait. :rules:
 
Marcel said:
However, the act of taking photos of them in an area that is viewable clearly from the public, and posting them on a website (just the act of that) is perfectly legal.
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This is what i was trying to say. If the photos aren't taken from somewhere public like the street but taken from the persons house then surely that makes them illegal.
 
sarcasms not good either. Think before your next reply.
 
IQ?
 
benx123 said:
This is what i was trying to say. If the photos aren't taken from somewhere public like the street but taken from the persons house then surely that makes them illegal.
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Not even slightly, not sure how you draw that conclusion
 
Marcel said:
To be fair, you're asking a group of photographers who at their very heart are defensive of their right to take photographs, so will be defensive of this act (of taking photos in public) to an extent.
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Looking at a positive angle here then this is probably the best place for her to ask advice in a backwards sense, if you know what I mean!

I think ultimately if the police have been informed and if laws have been broken then the police will take the appropriate action otherwise nothing can be done. Anything further here will be speculation :)
 
benx123 said:
This is what i was trying to say. If the photos aren't taken from somewhere public like the street but taken from the persons house then surely that makes them illegal.
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I'm not sure I follow the logic of that. Why would it be legal to take photos from a public place but illegal to take them from your own private property.

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oops sorry Richard you beat me to it.
 
Dod... I don't think Rob was being rude at all there... why do you think he was?

As far as I can tell, Marcel is spot on here, and no law has been broken unless the children have been identified... even then this is a grey area.

I suggest to Anne Marie:

This is an excellent online resource for photographers, but that doesn't mean it is an excellent resource for lawyers, solicitors or legal matters. If you seek legal advice, it is best to look for this via your solicitor or local Citizens Advice Bureau, because this is where you will get the correct advice. Of course there are experts on here, and you may very well get good advice from members on here, but you might also not know it is correct... or that it might be wrong.

If you are really worried about this situation with your children, please seek professional advice. This is the best advice I can offer I'm afraid.

Good luck.
 
Marcel said:
If she's posting them on a site with their names, then that falls under Data Protection regulation, and there is a course of action.

However, the act of taking photos of them in an area that is viewable clearly from the public, and posting them on a website (just the act of that) is perfectly legal.

That was your question. :)
To be fair, you're asking a group of photographers who at their very heart are defensive of their right to take photographs, so will be defensive of this act (of taking photos in public) to an extent.

I think your problem is bigger than just photos, you clearly have issues with this neighbour that need to be resolved, and just fighting back over pics of your children isn't going to get you anywhere except a bit of oneupmanship for a while. :)
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i dont have a problem with my neighbour,i dont know her,she only lived there since july last year and i keep myself to myself....i only thought about asking here because you are photographers and you know the rules about taking photos of children never ment to cause any upset or world war 3 lol just wanting some advise thats all but seems like ive p***ed a few people of and im sorry.
 
Given the extent to which this is a really live issue for photographers at the moment, I'm a bit curious that the OP, who has been on the site for 3 years seems surprised at the response.

Haggis makes a good point above
 
I love the way everyone thinks the police will know the ins and outs of the laws regarding photography. How quickly people forget:lol::lol::lol:
 
Anne Marie: no need to apologise... there are lots of experts on here, but experts in photography not necessarily in law or legal matters.

You did the right thing perhaps in posting here first, but you seem to have more serious concerns or issues and as such I'd suggest, as I did a few posts up ^^, obtaining professional legal advice.

This is a very delicate and sensitive matter, especially for photographers for the reasons Marcel already pointed out, but of course we will help as much as we can.

Thanks for asking on here... sorry we were unable to help as much as you wished.
 
benx123 said:
I came to that conclusion because public photography laws do not apply if you aren't in a public place.
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Proof please.

Because you have gone from drawing conclusions that seem rather inaccurate to stating solid fact. That is a fact that needs verification.

(BTW, there are no specific public photography laws, the laws in question here relate to privacy of individuals not restrictions on photography - fine line there I know but still very important)
 
the police didnt know they wasnt to sure,thats why i came on here to ask yous about it
 
anna_marie09 said:
the police didnt know they wasnt to sure,thats why i came on here to ask yous about it
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Fortunatly the police should have someone the can contact who can find out. Unfortunatly as many a photographer has found, and youtti would seem too, they rarely do :|
 
anna_marie09 said:
i dont have a problem with my neighbour,i dont know her,she only lived there since july last year and i keep myself to myself....
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Have you approached your neighbour to ask her about the pictures? If so, what did she say?
 
i was going to but then whats the point,if she lied about having a camera in the first place to the police,she can just lie again.
 
Hi Anna Marie

I doubt that the legalities are the issue? You are obviously bothered by this lady taking photos of your kids and putting them on the Internet for all to see and understandardly so! So even if it's legal it does not make it right for you!
I would suggest confronting her about why she is doing it? and then tell her how uncomfortable you are about it and ask her to take them off the web site.
If she refuses contact the web site and tell them you are unhappy about the photos and that they were taken without your permission!

Anyway HTH
 
My advice would be to live and let live. As far as I can tell, nothing happened, then you called the police on your neighbour. So, I'd just leave the woman alone, and get on with my life if I were you.


anna_marie09 said:
if she wasnt doing anything wrong why hide the fact she owned a camera??
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Probably because it's none of anyone's business whether she does or not. Why should she have the police called round to question her if she's abiding by the law?
 
anna_marie09 said:
i was going to but then whats the point,if she lied about having a camera in the first place to the police,she can just lie again.
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Ah well now, that's where you have to be a bit canny with the way you approach it and think carefully about what you want out of the meeting, what information you want and how you phrase your questions to give the best chance of getting the truth.



When did you stop beating your wife?
 
anna_marie09 said:
i was going to but then whats the point,if she lied about having a camera in the first place to the police,she can just lie again.
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So you sent the police round before going to speak to her yourself? Seems a bit harsh if she has broken no laws. I admit you didn't know at the time she was breaking no laws but you should have either found out before calling the police or at least made the effort to speak to your neighbour and ask her politely to remove the photos. The chances are, if you were reasonable to her then she would do the reasonable thing and remove them immediately.
 
Just thought I would mention that as much as I defend the right to our freedom as photographers to take photographs if I ever catch any of you hiding behind curtains, behind bushes,up trees or in any way trying to hide yourselves whilst taking secret photographs of my children then I will walk upto you and ask why.

Have a reasonable answer ready guys!
 
Jayst84 said:
Did we not come to the conclusion that she doesn't need permission?
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Irrelavent... The OP is uncomfortable with the pics on the site so I suggested telling the web site owners so! It may get the pics taken down and could therefore help with th OP's problem :)
 
Anna
Why don' t you try speaking to your neighbour - not to wind them up or to get into fight - for all you know she may be part of a neighbourhood watch and some other kids (not yours) had being a pain....
She may have some medical problems (learning difficulties), and she maybe completely harmless. Befriending her and understanding what she is doing and why (and then asking her to stop) may be far quicker and better then trying to stop her when she has done little (legally) wrong. She may have some really nice photos of your kids - without speaking to her you will never find out.
 
artona said:
Just thought I would mention that as much as I defend the right to our freedom as photographers to take photographs if I ever catch any of you hiding behind curtains, behind bushes,up trees or in any way trying to hide yourselves whilst taking secret photographs of my children then I will walk upto you and ask why.

Have a reasonable answer ready guys!
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Erm, because we can and it's not illegal?:shrug: Seriously why does everyone assume that a photo of a child is going to be used for something sinister? What a sad, sad country we live in.
 
anna_marie09 said:
shes posted my kids without me knowing on a public website for every one to see with there names.is'nt that worring for any parent???
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I wondered where you had disappeared to Michael.... Are these your kids? :lol:

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In all seriousness, the advice has been given but I can't see what the difference is of someone watching your kids walk past in the park, or someone seeing a pic of your kids on an innocent (ie: not pervy) website... That seems a little overprotective to me, and yes, I have 2 young kids. I'd not object to someone catching them in a photo unless it's an invasion of our privacy (ie: they are up a tree shooting into my back yard)... :suspect:
 
well ive went to the police but they havent gone round yet for me...they are doing some checks and stuff first but i know the police have been round there about one of the other neighbours that have complained about another website about horriable things she was putting about her child and photos but that doesnt conceren me ive kept out of that i only no she told the police she doesnt own a camera as the neighbour told me in the passing.i searched the net myself and fount my kids on it
 
Splog said:
Irrelavent... The OP is uncomfortable with the pics on the site so I suggested telling the web site owners so! It may get the pics taken down and could therefore help with th OP's problem :)
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Censorship without due cause or proof?!
 
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