Switching systems....Question 2 :)

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So, my D750 and 24-70 got a bit wet :(:oops: :$

Can't be repaired so I'm getting £2,500 from insurance.

I'm looking at Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark II.

Quick question. Is the lens that comes with this linky the same as this lens linky

More questions may follow :)

Cheers.
 
Same lens

Olympus also do a 12-100/4 and 40-150/2.8

Also worth looking at the Panasonic 35-100/2.8
 
Looking at your kit... have a look at the Olympus 60/2.8 macro

Like all the Oly primes, esp. the little 17/1.8, but wish the 45 had closer focus.
 
The 12-40 is a blinder of a lens, I've barely used my 17 or 45mm 1.8 since getting it. I use it on my EM5ii all the time.
 
Hi Andy, I've got an EM 5 II and it's a cracking little camera, some of my stuff in the "52" is shot with it but ...
  1. I find the buttons small and I am prone to pressing the wrong thing
  2. the smaller sensor means that there is more noise at higher ISO, just a fact of physics
  3. DoF - you need to half the aperture to get the same DoF, so F2 on MFT is F4 on FF. OTOH the reverse is true you can shoot sharp throughout at lower f-stops, f8 MFT is f16 on FF
I would suggest getting your hands on one for a day and see how you like it. All that said it is so nice to go out with a camera in you pocket or a small bag and come back with great shots
 
posiview said:
So, my research continues.

Your thoughts are appreciated.

Which is preferable (I shoot 99% landscapes)

This: Linky @ £2,399

or

This linky and this £2,700.

Cheers.
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The Olympus 7-14 is difficult to fit filters to (there is some adapter available from someone), might be worth looking at other Wide Angle Alternatives

The 12-40 as mentioned above is excellent

I've had an OM-D EM1 Mkii for a couple of weeks, and the nifty features for landscape were (I don't know if other Olympus cameras support these):-

  • 50M mode, uses IBIS to sub pixel shift to create a massive very detailed (assuming its in focus!) raw file, 10.3K x 7.7K pixels
  • Long Exposure Preview, where you can specify time intervals to get a preview image on rear screen.
Its a great camera and very fast.
 
sirch said:
Hi Andy, I've got an EM 5 II and it's a cracking little camera, some of my stuff in the "52" is shot with it but ...
  1. I find the buttons small and I am prone to pressing the wrong thing
  2. the smaller sensor means that there is more noise at higher ISO, just a fact of physics
  3. DoF - you need to half the aperture to get the same DoF, so F2 on MFT is F4 on FF. OTOH the reverse is true you can shoot sharp throughout at lower f-stops, f8 MFT is f16 on FF
I would suggest getting your hands on one for a day and see how you like it. All that said it is so nice to go out with a camera in you pocket or a small bag and come back with great shots
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Cheers, Chris, some good points.

BTW, we need to arrange another Lakes wild camp :thumbs:
 
Mr Perceptive said:
The Olympus 7-14 is difficult to fit filters to (there is some adapter available from someone), might be worth looking at other Wide Angle Alternatives

The 12-40 as mentioned above is excellent

I've had an OM-D EM1 Mkii for a couple of weeks, and the nifty features for landscape were (I don't know if other Olympus cameras support these):-

  • 50M mode, uses IBIS to sub pixel shift to create a massive very detailed (assuming its in focus!) raw file, 10.3K x 7.7K pixels
  • Long Exposure Preview, where you can specify time intervals to get a preview image on rear screen.
Its a great camera and very fast.
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Cheers, David, so many reviews, one mentioned the 50m mode isn't that good if there is movement in the frame as it effects the final image. Yeah, the long exposure preview is something that, as a ling exposure geek, really appeals to me :)
 
posiview said:
BTW, we need to arrange another Lakes wild camp (y)
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Yes we do, I've been thinking about Loughrigg or High Dam. You'd be welcome to borrow my EM-5 II if we were a bit nearer. We are going away for a couple of weeks from the weekend so might be a bit out of touch for a while.
 
Mr Perceptive said:
The Olympus 7-14 is difficult to fit filters to (there is some adapter available from someone), might be worth looking at other Wide Angle Alternatives

The 12-40 as mentioned above is excellent

I've had an OM-D EM1 Mkii for a couple of weeks, and the nifty features for landscape were (I don't know if other Olympus cameras support these):-

  • 50M mode, uses IBIS to sub pixel shift to create a massive very detailed (assuming its in focus!) raw file, 10.3K x 7.7K pixels
  • Long Exposure Preview, where you can specify time intervals to get a preview image on rear screen.
Its a great camera and very fast.
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The EM5-II has similar features, although I think the high res mode is 40mp rather than 50mp.

OP I missed part 1, why are you looking at Olympus rather than getting another D750?

I'm lucky enough to have both the D750 and EM1 (and previously EM5-II) and if landscapes are what you shoot 99% of the time the D750 is the better choice for two main reasons. Firstly the shadow and highlight recovery is much better with the D750, a very useful performance advantage when shooting landscapes. Secondly the Olympus has visible noise at base ISO. OK it's mild and easy to get rid of, but it's there nonetheless.

All that being said, I really rate the Olympus system. For me it's the perfect compromise between IQ and portability. Taking comparison shots between the Nikon D750 with the excellent 18-35mm and Olly with 12-40mm f2.8 there is very little difference when it comes to landscapes (after PP).
 
posiview said:
So, my research continues.

Your thoughts are appreciated.

Which is preferable (I shoot 99% landscapes)

This: Linky @ £2,399

or

This linky and this £2,700.

Cheers.
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Tough choice, I own both cameras and in truth if I only shot landscape I would be happy with the EM5ii. That's also what I actually use for (nearly) all my travel photography which is most of my 'proper' photography.

On the other hand, if you're looking for a D750 replacement then it has to be the EM1ii.

One nice thing is that both can meter through a 10 stop filter so it takes out a whole load of guesswork, the live composite has to be seen to be believed and the live bulb is very handy too. On that, the 12-40 pro and a 62mm firecrest filter is all I will ever need for long exposure (not that I do much).
 
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snerkler said:
The EM5-II has similar features, although I think the high res mode is 40mp rather than 50mp.

OP I missed part 1, why are you looking at Olympus rather than getting another D750?

I'm lucky enough to have both the D750 and EM1 (and previously EM5-II) and if landscapes are what you shoot 99% of the time the D750 is the better choice for two main reasons. Firstly the shadow and highlight recovery is much better with the D750, a very useful performance advantage when shooting landscapes. Secondly the Olympus has visible noise at base ISO. OK it's mild and easy to get rid of, but it's there nonetheless.

All that being said, I really rate the Olympus system. For me it's the perfect compromise between IQ and portability. Taking comparison shots between the Nikon D750 with the excellent 18-35mm and Olly with 12-40mm f2.8 there is very little difference when it comes to landscapes (after PP).
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Main reason, weight. My packed bag with D750 was 2 stone. I have to take everything...I know, I know, I don't have to take everything. I just always have.

Appreciate the feedback :thumbs:
 
Nawty said:
Tough choice, I own both cameras and in truth if I only shot landscape I would be happy with the EM5ii. That's also what I actually use for (nearly) all my travel photography which is most of my 'proper' photography.

On the other hand, if you're looking for a D750 replacement then it has to be the EM1ii.

One nice thing is that both can meter through a 10 stop filter so it takes out a whole load of guesswork, the live composite has to be seen to be believed and the live bulb is very handy too. On that, the 12-40 pro and a 62mm firecrest filter is all I will ever need for long exposure (not that I do much).
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Yeah, what I wouldn't to happen is buying a replacement camera that doesn't match(ish) my Fd750.

Live bulb mode looks decent.

Cheers.
 
posiview said:
Cheers, David, so many reviews, one mentioned the 50m mode isn't that good if there is movement in the frame as it effects the final image. Yeah, the long exposure preview is something that, as a ling exposure geek, really appeals to me :)
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Yes half a pixel movement on your tripod will knacker the image, that's about 1.5microns, you need a still day to use it!!!
 
posiview said:
Main reason, weight. My packed bag with D750 was 2 stone. I have to take everything...I know, I know, I don't have to take everything. I just always have.

Appreciate the feedback (y)
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2 stone??????? :eek:

My bag consists of:-
D750 840g approx
18-35mm 385g
Tripod 1.8kg
Filters, shutter release etc etc maybe another 600g

So about 3.6kg plus the weight of the bag itself. I'd guess 5kg max, less than 1 stone, what else do you take? :eek: ;)
 
snerkler said:
2 stone??????? :eek:

My bag consists of:-
D750 840g approx
18-35mm 385g
Tripod 1.8kg
Filters, shutter release etc etc maybe another 600g

So about 3.6kg plus the weight of the bag itself. I'd guess 5kg max, less than 1 stone, what else do you take? :eek: ;)
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D750+24-70+105+14mm+full filter set, tripod, and other stuff I rearlly used :)
 
posiview said:
Yeah, what I wouldn't to happen is buying a replacement camera that doesn't match(ish) my Fd750.
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Well, in terms of absolute IQ in dark conditions, or CAF for BIF then the D750 will always win.

In good light I struggled to distinguish an EM10 from my D610, having to look hard at 100% to pick out the differences so I sold my D610 and all my Nikon kit, now I am 100% Oly and really appreciate the weight savings for minimal (in my eyes) loss in IQ. The amazing Oly lenses really help here too. Still, YMMV.

The EM1ii has a better sensor than the EM10 and EM5ii (which are basically the same as the EM10), it has better low ISO noise (an issue with the 16mp sensors if you are picky), more latitude in pushing shadows, better highlight recovery and better detail retention at high ISO. Not massively better but good enough to be worth having. Something else of note is that if you get the 12-100 lens with sync IS then on the EM1ii it is quite easily feasible to shoot 6s exposure handheld at 12mm (24mm FFE) which is just insane and negates the need for a tripod in all but the most extreme situations.

But again, if absolute IQ is your thing then you want FF, if you want mirrorless then a Sony A7 of some sort may suit but the lenses are still FF size so you lose some of the weight advantage so you may as well get another D750 IMHO.

My view is that if you can forego a smidgen of IQ and PP latitude then the power of the EM1ii (ideally with the 12-100) simply can not be matched by any other camera.
 
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Nawty said:
Well, in terms of absolute IQ in dark conditions, or CAF for BIF then the D750 will always win.

In good light I struggled to distinguish an EM10 from my D610, having to look hard at 100% to pick out the differences so I sold my D610 and all my Nikon kit, now I am 100% Oly and really appreciate the weight savings for minimal (in my eyes) loss in IQ. The amazing Oly lenses really help here too. Still, YMMV.

The EM1ii has a better sensor than the EM10 and EM5ii (which are basically the same as the EM10), it has better low ISO noise (an issue with the 16mp sensors if you are picky), more latitude in pushing shadows, better highlight recovery and better detail retention at high ISO. Not massively better but good enough to be worth having. Something else of note is that if you get the 12-100 lens with sync IS then on the EM1ii it is quite easily feasible to shoot 6s exposure handheld at 12mm (24mm FFE) which is just insane and negates the need for a tripod in all but the most extreme situations.

But again, if absolute IQ is your thing then you want FF, if you want mirrorless then a Sony A7 of some sort may suit but the lenses are still FF size so you lose some of the weight advantage so you may as well get another D750 IMHO.

My view is that if you can forego a smidgen of IQ and PP latitude then the power of the EM1ii simply can not be matched by any other camera.
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Cheers, rarely shoot low light or BIF so another supportive response for the EM1 ii :)
 
posiview said:
Is the last one a single image or stitch?

Cheers.
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A stitch of around 5 shots IIRC, it is suuuuper easy to do with an EVF and Lightroom, all I did was take the photos handheld using the inbuilt level gauge in the EVF (took about 3 seconds), import and select the photos and tell LR to stitch them, nothing else involved.

Somewhat important was that the images were taken with the 12-40 pro (at 40mm) because as all vignetting and distortions are corrected in camera (even with raw images) then there are no blending issues in LR.

edit: same is true of the the Grand Canyon shot, the Hope sunset and the bluebells. I've given up on UWA except for some very specific circumstances, panos are so easy in LR now and I prefer the look so I just do that.
 
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I haven't actually used my EM1ii that much but here's a dark jpg SOOC at ISO6400, it's better than the 16mp sensors and into the realms of good enough for me not to worry about. Also cool is that it was taken at 300mm FFE and 1/25s without even trying to brace or reduce shaking.

edit: it also shows that you can get shallow DoF with m43 if you want to. Not wafer thin or at wide focal lengths but you can get 'a look'.

Stress testing the EM1ii by Ned Awty, on Flickr
 
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posiview said:
I am now a former Nikon user.........
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You will REALLY need those shades when
leaving the dark zone…

signed: for ever Nikon! …I think!
 
posiview said:
Thanks, all, I am now a former Nikon user.........

Button pressed.

Delivery tomorrow.

Appreciate everyones input (y)

Cheers.
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Nice one. Will be interested to hear your views, especially regarding noise and PP malleability (y)
 
snerkler said:
Nice one. Will be interested to hear your views, especially regarding noise and PP malleability (y)
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Cheers.

Just pricing up accessories.

Just can't spend £20 on an L bracket to put on a M1 and I do like my L bracket, but can I justify over £100 on one. Then there's a much needed remote control.

I will NOT start looking at Lee filters....need to see my current set first :eek:

I'm in that very, very giddy, anticipatory mood :D

Cheers.
 
posiview said:
Cheers.

Just pricing up accessories.

Just can't spend £20 on an L bracket to put on a M1 and I do like my L bracket, but can I justify over £100 on one. Then there's a much needed remote control.

I will NOT start looking at Lee filters....need to see my current set first :eek:

I'm in that very, very giddy, anticipatory mood :D

Cheers.
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I believe the Canon remote release and its cheap Yongnuo equivalent will work with the EM1ii (a quick google will tell you which one exactly) and it won't be long before the Chinese L brackets are on ebay (maybe they already are), I've got one for my EM1 mk1 and it is great quality.
 
acs said:
Looking at your kit... have a look at the Olympus 60/2.8 macro

Like all the Oly primes, esp. the little 17/1.8, but wish the 45 had closer focus.
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The focus distance of the 45mm can be reduced by using the MCON-P01 or MCON-P02. The latter reduces the minimum focus distance from 50cm to 24cm, I can't find figures for the P01, I do own it, but have never had cause to try it on my 45mm lens. I paid buttons for my MCON in a Currys clearance sale but they appear secondhand at relatively low cost.
 
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