Switch off the Street Lights

All street lights off after midnight


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I'm a firm believer that all street lights should be turned off at Midnight for multiple reasons from saving money...the environment from the pollution generating the power for said lights but mainly the level of light pollution they emit

If they were off we would all be able to see so much more of the universe above us, amazingly last night even in the highly light polluted area I live the Milky Way was JUST about visible


Milky Way over Home
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Of course if all the street lights were off, we would be able to see so much more of it

Who else world like to see all street lights off after midnight?
 
When I first moved to Canterbury in 1974, the street lights in the city did go out at midnight, somewhat surprised me at first coming as I did from Middlesbrough where it never got dark because of all the flare stacks and steel works belching light into the sky, where I live now has no street lights except for a couple down in the village, the darkness is beautiful.
 
When I first moved to Canterbury in 1974, the street lights in the city did go out at midnight, somewhat surprised me at first coming as I did from Middlesbrough where it never got dark because of all the flare stacks and steel works belching light into the sky, where I live now has no street lights except for a couple down in the village, the darkness is beautiful.

Oh I'd love that, I live in a small village but right outside the front of my house is one of the 5 street lights on our little lane, because of that and some older neighbours across the road having a love for million terrawatt floodlights I have to have black out curtains on my window honestly there floodlights would make Wembley Statium look under illuminated as the each fire up as a fox or cat crosses the front gardens :eek:
 
We now have white LED street lamps all over Bath and NE Somerset.

Big energy savers but instead of flood lights we have spotlights so for 12 feet of spot we have 50 yards of blackness. Awful driving the country lanes as they affect night vision

Better switched off.
 
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Unfortunately in many larger towns and cities, the lack of street lighting would lead to many residents living in even more fear and terror ... and that's before you consider road safety!
 
Unfortunately in many larger towns and cities, the lack of street lighting would lead to many residents living in even more fear and terror ... and that's before you consider road safety!

Sad but true
 
I actually LOVE the darkness, I like being able to view the heavens without loads of light pollution. However, there are very practical reasons why such a thing shouldn't happen, or not entirely. I have very immediate experience of people with very limited vision, where turning off all the street lights would effectively put them on a curfew. The next issue is security of course, especially in cites and towns, we all feel a bit safer when out late if we can actually see and that leads onto actual safety of course, as in actually seeing each other, being seen by passing traffic, etc. They are just immediate reasons, there are myriad more I am sure. However, I do think we could be far more clever about how we light, purely from a power use point of view which would have the knock on effect of improving that view of the skies at night. Obviously more energy efficient lighting for a start, plus a better design on street lights so that most if not all their light output is cast downwards where it is needed. I know many towns and cities have already invested in such ideas in some areas of their towns, but it is going to take time, financial investment and a lot of will for such lighting to be installed in place of every current street lamp across the country and for it to be good effective lighting - and that doesn't even take the rest of the world into account. However, with more clever lighting, you could also make an argument for needing less of them too, again improving things.
I would also like to see more businesses take it upon themselves to have their lighting [internal and external] using auto switch off methods when not needed. No, I don't want to see such ideas made law, we have enough bloody laws, rules and regulations to strangle business as it is, but I do sometimes wonder when I drive along a high street at 1am and see how many lights are still on in and/or above shops for example. Very few people are window shopping at that time and are unlikely to be paying much attention to your fancy signs either, so why not save yourself a few quid and a bit more of the earths resources by putting the whole lot on a timer and switching off for a few hours. Same thing goes for office blocks, on a far larger scale, why is it, especially in city centres, they have the lights on, on every floor, all night it seems sometimes. I understand about cleaners, night staff, etc, but I can't believe that every light needs to be on - I mean apart from when we are doing those lovely night time shots of course, then you need them all on to look really cool as part of that cityscape! ;)
 
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They tried it in swindon, then turned on every third light, but it was lethal as you went from bright patch to dark patch. Taxi drivers hated it, more house burglaries, vehicle accidents rose. in the end they gave up. Apparently it cost them £50,000 everytime they made a change so never saved any money.
 
I, too, am a fan of proper night time darkness even though I do live in a built up area, that way I can get to see more stars, the milky way, meteorites, the noctilucent clouds, northern lights, etc. All of those I rarely get to see but only the most brightest displays what with me living in the middle of a town. However, I also like the way the winter night time sky takes on that orange hue as the sodium lighting shows up the heavy snowfall. Having said all that, I can get some proper night time darkness simply by heading down to the beach just around the corner from my house, but then I get to see artificial lighting from the French side.
Of course, there is the safely aspect if night time street lighting are left switched off, especially in terms of crime - of which, sadly, it is an all too common thing around here. I do have a security light in the back yard but I have recently replaced the 500 watts light bulb with a 10 watts LED one (you can get those with the same fitting) and it actually works just as well.
For some reason, I quite like the LED street lighting. There are only a couple of streets in this town that has those and they do look quite "tidy", so I hope my road will have those as currently it is a mis-mash of different light fittings from different eras (some are of the originals when the street was first built in the '50's, others were fitted in the 70's, 80's and 90's).
 
Unfortunately in many larger towns and cities, the lack of street lighting would lead to many residents living in even more fear and terror ... and that's before you consider road safety!

A lot of the properties where I live, do have lights on to stop undesirables from sneaking about at night. Residents and local groups have even taken advice, from Police on how to light up the area better.

The housing even fitted a light in our car park, and this is brightly lit all night. So no way would the lights go out around here. Most of the residents around here are complaining there needs to be even more lights.
 
I voted yes but purely from a selfish PoV - I like the dark skies! However, I can see the problems that unlit streets could cause in some areas. Where we're staying in Crete next holiday (for a couple of nights) is unlit after dark and has a view to the West with no light pollution. In fact, most of the places we stay are very near the coast (as in 100m at most) and have light free horizons.
 
Ours are turned off at 1am.
 
They tried it in swindon... more house burglaries...

Sorry to selectively quote but do you know much more about this specific part?

Around us in the Beds/Herts border a lot of towns and villages have the street lights turned off at night - 'official' stats and surveys unanimously say that whilst the perception and fear of crime has increased (and may get the decision reversed) the numbers have decreased, theory being that with no street light and burglars/car thieves must carry a torch or other illuminating device which actually deters the would be criminals.
 
Sorry to selectively quote but do you know much more about this specific part?

Around us in the Beds/Herts border a lot of towns and villages have the street lights turned off at night - 'official' stats and surveys unanimously say that whilst the perception and fear of crime has increased (and may get the decision reversed) the numbers have decreased, theory being that with no street light and burglars/car thieves must carry a torch or other illuminating device which actually deters the would be criminals.

Exactly the same has been found to be that case from the report locally to me where trails have been done that I linked to a few posts up :thumbs:

In fact the only real negative was a slight increase in RTC and one additional road death though the reality is the sample was rare to small to draw a conclusion that negative would be reproduced across the country or if it was nearly a sad statistical blip
 
i say no,

thieves like the dark
 
Sorry to selectively quote but do you know much more about this specific part?

Around us in the Beds/Herts border a lot of towns and villages have the street lights turned off at night - 'official' stats and surveys unanimously say that whilst the perception and fear of crime has increased (and may get the decision reversed) the numbers have decreased, theory being that with no street light and burglars/car thieves must carry a torch or other illuminating device which actually deters the would be criminals.

Sorry had a quick look, can't find the story right now. I know a cyclist got knocked off due to the lighting being off. It was supposed to save just over £14000, but cost them £30000 to take the fuses out of 433 lights, then put them back in again apparently.

Mind you, we've had a 7% reduction in accidents since the speed cameras were turned off.

There was one study that reported a 29% reduction in crime due to street lighting and the social knockon.

http://www.crim.cam.ac.uk/people/academic_research/david_farrington/lightsw.pdf
 
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I'm intrugued as to how they came to blame the lack of streetlights for the ejected cyclist.
if he/she was appropriately dressed & the bike appropriately lit; and if the car was also using the correct lighting, then surely it can simply be be put down to another unfortunate accident.
Cyclists taz around unlit areas all the time and as far as I'm aware, they're not getting scattered like skittles.
I say turn 'em off. Darkness is much more pleasant that that sickly orange glow.
 
:plus1: turn em off, if you need light to see where you are walking use a torch.
most mobile phones have a torch built in these days. LOL
 
I'm intrugued as to how they came to blame the lack of streetlights for the ejected cyclist.
if he/she was appropriately dressed & the bike appropriately lit; and if the car was also using the correct lighting, then surely it can simply be be put down to another unfortunate accident.
Cyclists taz around unlit areas all the time and as far as I'm aware, they're not getting scattered like skittles.
I say turn 'em off. Darkness is much more pleasant that that sickly orange glow.


When they turned them off they turned off two out of every three lights. Trouble was the three lights were spaced a fair distance apart so you had darkness lit with sudden bright areas.
I too thought it a good idea until you drove through these areas and you had parts you couldn't see as your eyes adjusted back to darkness. Would have been better if they'd turned of all light except say roundabouts or specific busy junctions.
 
Ah OK, fair enough. So caused by the lighting being partially off. Getcha.
 
They are trialling it in my area at the moment. I am just outside Southend, Essex.
I personally think it is a good idea. Every light is out with the exception of junctions, crossings and accident black spot. Driving is no problem at all, headlights work surprisingly well. And as for pedestrians, There are enough peoples porch lights on to still be able to get around without a problem, and there I see no reason why you can't just carry a torch.

There have been a lot of grumblings from some people ranginf from fear of crime to the "we pay out taxes" gang.
Yes we may pay our taxes, so what if that isn't spent on lighting up empty streets, spend it on something else I say.

As for increase in crime, I really didn't expect there to be. Even with street lights on, there are enough dark and secluded corners and allyways that muggers have been using for years. It simply isn't the case that there will be a mugger in every dark spot! In fact crime figures have dropped since the switch off here, though even the police commisioner admits that its too early to make a call on it, they certainly haven't gone up!

Besides, take a train into town and someone will gladly pull a knife on you at two in the afternoon and rob you for your phone in front of a dozen witnesses. Light or dark, these people are still around.
 
Off off off off please. The sky is beautiful. It is relatively dark where I live, however the pollution is obvious from looking in the distances.

Regarding thieves; doesn't everyone take responsibility for their property and have security floor lights enabled themselves instead of paying towards the council to do it for you?

Our last burglary was during broad daylight.....much less people about....
 
I don't like cycling along unlit roads too much, although if I *had* to then I'd get much brighter lights. I would prefer lighting in urban areas, but villages probably don't need so much light.
 
I don't like cycling along unlit roads too much, although if I *had* to then I'd get much brighter lights. I would prefer lighting in urban areas, but villages probably don't need so much light.

Said it yourself. ...better lights :-)
 
Ours used to go out midnight and come back on at 5AM in Llanwddyn, don't know if they still do. Not sure where my nearest streetlight is now.
 
Like Bass Junkie I live in Essex and the lights go out at midnight . They can ben switched on at some times such as midnight walk for the local hospice, also there have been a couple of murders in the town so lights have been switched on to reassure people. (One of the murders was at 10am in the morning so the lack of street lighting had nothing to do with that :confused:)

I would like to see the lights out so the stars could be seen. I remember staying in a cottage just outside Grosmont on the North York moors and the stars from there were stunning.
 
It was supposed to save just over £14000, but cost them £30000 to take the fuses out of 433 lights, then put them back in again apparently.

I don't understand this point at all, why would they take the fuses out of individual lights? By doing that, the lights would never work as they would not have an electricity supply anymore.

Surely they would adjust the timers on the grid, or if using the newer radio controlled lights just change the times for on/off in the program?
 
I don't understand this point at all, why would they take the fuses out of individual lights? By doing that, the lights would never work as they would not have an electricity supply anymore.

Surely they would adjust the timers on the grid, or if using the newer radio controlled lights just change the times for on/off in the program?

LOL, this is local councillors we are talking about! :sneaky:
enough said.
 
I don't understand this point at all, why would they take the fuses out of individual lights? By doing that, the lights would never work as they would not have an electricity supply anymore.

Surely they would adjust the timers on the grid, or if using the newer radio controlled lights just change the times for on/off in the program?

£1.2 million to upgrade the lighting to the new controllable led ones. They've insisted they are put into all the new build areas now and these are dimmable, controlable etc. I think taking the fuses out was the easiest way to turn off the old lights?
 
I think taking the fuses out was the easiest way to turn off the old lights?

So how do they turn them back on the following evening?

The topic is lights off after midnight, are the lights you are referring to being turned off altogether? It would then still be quicker/easier/cheaper to just switch the power off to that specific grid of lights from their control room or even at the junction box feeding that part of the lighting system.
 
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