Suicidal Cyclist

Wow there’s been a lot of mileage in this thread and it has all been very entertaining especially Marc’s little rant
I think what would make the majority of people happy is if cyclists had to register their vehicle, display a number plate of some description and take out compulsory insurance.
I’m sure I’m not the only person to have suffered a loss by an arsey cyclist
 
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I'm suggesting you should take some responsibility for your own safety. If I was cycling along a shared path with my bell ringing away I've got no way of telling how well you can hear.

Doesn't make the cyclists the arrogant arse...

So be prepared to stop then!

Yes it does, what extra rights do cyclists think they have?
 
Even a V8 engine only has just over 200 moving parts.
I never knew that, well TBH I never thought about it, but an interesting fact nonetheless (y)
Another interesting fact, it only takes one nut behind the wheel to disassemble it all :D

Back to the topic,
What I'll never understand, here in MK, most of the roads ( apart from the local estate roads) are either 60 or 70MPH limits.
Mostly they are straight roads too, and "Fast" ;)
The council spent a fortune on building redways, these are for cyclists and pedestrians.
And you can get to most places without crossing a road, by staying on these.

Why is it that cyclists rarely if ever use these, and much prefer the duel [sic] or indeed single carriageways?
I can only assume that they prefer to dodge cars than pedestrians ..
I'd be interested to hear from a cyclist ....
 
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I would be more inclined to debate this with you if you would climb down off your high horse for a while and read/ respond to the salient points offered instead of just cherry picking the points that offend you!
 
I would be more inclined to debate this with you if you would climb down off your high horse for a while and read/ respond to the salient points offered instead of just cherry picking the points that offend you!

High horse? Points that offend me?

I haven't a clue what you're on about but I have no desire to debate with you if you're going to make things personal right from the off.
 
Nothing personal from me Marc I can assure you :eek:
But some of your reply’s have been should we say suspect
 
What I'll never understand, here in MK, most of the roads ( apart from the local estate roads) are either 60 or 7MPH limits.

The council spent a fortune on building redways, these are for cyclists and pedestrians.
And you can get to most places without crossing a road, by staying on these.
Is the 7mph limit for cyclists or pedestrians?
 
Yes. Read the last line and then pretend it doesn't mean that.
It just means a cyclist might get caught in a bit of overspray. Nothing there to suggest anything different.
 
Serious question to all you cyclist haters (And my word aren't there a lot of you.)
What is your attitude towards those on horseback, do you regard them with the same contempt or is it just cyclists. And what about other vehicles which impede your important journey, tractors for example.

Tractor drivers are especially ignorant, at least around Kent's roads.
They're supposed to pull over if they're holding up a significant amount of other vehicles (generally agreed to be 6). Do they? I can honestly say I've never seen one do so.
 
So be prepared to stop then!

Yes it does, what extra rights do cyclists think they have?

From what I know of Neil's character from TP, he almost certainly does either stop or ride carefully around those who don't respond to an audible warning of approach. However I would agree with him, that if you are using a path shared between bikes and pedestrians and you KNOW that you cannot hear an approaching cyclist ring a bell (or holler at you) then the onus is on the one hard of hearing to make sure they are aware of what is going on around them. That doesn't give a cyclist or pedestrian a right to bump into you because you could not hear or chose to walk in disregard of circumstances, but it does mean that you're the one deliberately being difficult.

I've no sympathy for bad cyclists, but ditto for deliberately difficult peds.
 
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On @Cobra s question, the Highway Code suggests shared cycle paths are good to around 12mph...on my road bike I average 18 to 22...and can push to 28 at times on the flat.

Also in Oxfordshire many of the rural cycle paths have got rough regular bumps (most are 10 to 15 years Since last being resurfaced) that shake your wrists on a road bike, so I take to the lovely smooth road instead.

On my mountain bike commute I use the cycle paths as the slower speeds mean it safe and comfortable.
 
Tractor drivers are especially ignorant, at least around Kent's roads.
They're supposed to pull over if they're holding up a significant amount of other vehicles (generally agreed to be 6). Do they? I can honestly say I've never seen one do so.

They *sometimes* pull over in Oxfordshire, but more often than not, don't.
 
Serious question to all you cyclist haters (And my word aren't there a lot of you.)
What is your attitude towards those on horseback, do you regard them with the same contempt or is it just cyclists. And what about other vehicles which impede your important journey, tractors for example.

Living in a rural area, tractors are a fact of life, I get held up by them daily, but I can easily see them, either in front or coming towards me, same with horses,
most if the riders have bright coloured tabards.
It's not that I'm a cyclist hater, those that make them selves visable, no problem, it's this latest fad of wearing dark clothing that annoys me
 
From what I know of Neil's character from TP, he almost certainly does either stop or ride carefully around those who don't respond to an audible warning of approach. However I would agree with him, that if you are using a path shared between bikes and pedestrians and you KNOW that you cannot hear an approaching cyclist ring a bell (or holler at you) then the onus is on the one hard of hearing to make sure they are aware of what is going on around them. That doesn't give a cyclist or pedestrian a right to bump into you because you could not hear or chose to walk in disregard of circumstances, but it does mean that you're the one deliberately being difficult.

I've no sympathy for bad cyclists, but ditto for deliberately difficult peds.
And how on earth does someone that’s hard of hearing be aware that someone is coming up behind them . This would in fact dictate that such a person should not indeed be walking on a public shared with cyclists footpath / cycle track .
and b.t.w we have had this discussion on here before and if irc the shared cycle tracks in my neck of the woods do not comply with the rules regarding width .the local council have put up signs to ask cyclists to slow down most have been broken or vandalised ,the council put up a steel gate on a fast downhill stretch to stop the speeding bikers ,it lasted two weeks and is now in retirement on the marsh .
 
And how on earth does someone that’s hard of hearing be aware that someone is coming up behind them . This would in fact dictate that such a person should not indeed be walking on a public shared with cyclists footpath / cycle track .
and b.t.w we have had this discussion on here before and if irc the shared cycle tracks in my neck of the woods do not comply with the rules regarding width .the local council have put up signs to ask cyclists to slow down most have been broken or vandalised ,the council put up a steel gate on a fast downhill stretch to stop the speeding bikers ,it lasted two weeks and is now in retirement on the marsh .

I feel for you. If I were in that situation, and it's a real possibility eventually, then I'd wear hi vis and make sure I stuck to one side of the shared track so that there was always space for bikes to pass beside me. I would probably also glance behind if a group of cyclists approached in case there were others coming in the opposite direction at the same time. If you already do this and still get abuse or worse then it's possibly time to wear a video camera and carry a large version of Mr Spokestick as a discouragement.
 
Hi vis is hardly appropiate wear when out taking wildlife pics ? And yes I am usually aware of what’s going on around me I seldom venture out alone on that particular stretch of track ,,but the arrogant cyclists think you should jump out of there way fast because there going flat out ,and as I said before they tend to shout abuse as they hurry away ..karma will come my way one day as they tend to gather in one spot to refresh themselves ...
 
Is the 7mph limit for cyclists or pedestrians?
b****r! :D

On @Cobra s question, the Highway Code suggests shared cycle paths are good to around 12mph...
There doesn't seem to be any speed limits in place or mentioned locally at least

Also in Oxfordshire many of the rural cycle paths have got rough regular bumps
These are smooth as a baby's bum. well the ones I walk are anyway.

The main problem is the "walkers" think they are for their exclusive use, as do the cyclists..
When they were designed to keep both separated from fast moving traffic.
Seems you can't please any of the people any of the time ;)
 
For christ sake here we go again!!!

Lets be serious here for a minute......

Yes you get idiotic cyclists but you also get idiotic pedestrians and idiotic drivers so can people get off their moral high horse and not tar all cyclists with the one brush when we are not all like that. There are issues on all accounts of interaction between pedestrains/bicycles/vehicles.
 
Is the 7mph limit for cyclists or pedestrians?


I know this was in jest but FWIW, pedal cycles aren't subject to speed limits... And have appalling braking from any speed in an emergency situation!
 
For christ sake here we go again!!!

Lets be serious here for a minute......

Yes you get idiotic cyclists but you also get idiotic pedestrians and idiotic drivers so can people get off their moral high horse and not tar all cyclists with the one brush when we are not all like that. There are issues on all accounts of interaction between pedestrains/bicycles/vehicles.
Feel better? :ROFLMAO:
 
I've enjoyed reading this thread as it reminded me that the WWI western front mentality is alive and well. Take up an entrenched position, defend it to the last and never, ever consider that your opponent may have a valid reason, or experience, which motivates them.
 
Most of the cyclists i come across are complete muppets which give a bad name to other cyclists. They go through red lights, mount pavements, weave in and out of traffic with no care what so ever. They speed down between buses and kerbs, jesture at other road users and put pedestrians at risk of being knocked over!

I do believe that all cyclists should have road insurance, have registration plates on their bikes and be made to adhere to the highway code!
 
I do believe that all cyclists should have road insurance, have registration plates on their bikes and be made to adhere to the highway code!

Cyclists are as bound to follow the highway code as any other road user (including horse riders, but I won't get sarted on them).
 
Wow, Road Rage in text form!

Really - this is what the thread has descended to !!!

Words fail me...

Pretty much the only two messages in the whole thread that aren't either abusive to some form of road user or trolling / argumentative.

the fact that a moderator and a staff member are carrying it on beggars belief. Can this not simply be closed? I simply can't believe the level of abuse and insinuation being hurled about by members of this forum.
 
Doesn't make the cyclists the arrogant arse...


Guy who spat at me yesterday was.

Seriously though some cyclists are mobs as are some motorists and some pedestrians. Sadly that’s the way of things
 
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When cyclists have an MOT on their machines, take out insurance and pay road tax, then they are classed (by me) to have equal share on what I pay for.
Until then, I often find that overtaking them is a good time to check out the washer/wipe system on the BMW...


Club cyclists very often have insurance. There is no such thing as "road tax" so you need to read a bit more. Many cars pay zero VED nowadays, so I propose that you complain to the government, because they cause far more damage to the road surface than a bicycle. You sad attitude makes you way more confrontational than most cyclists IMO.
 
Club cyclists very often have insurance. There is no such thing as "road tax" so you need to read a bit more. Many cars pay zero VED nowadays, so I propose that you complain to the government, because they cause far more damage to the road surface than a bicycle. You sad attitude makes you way more confrontational than most cyclists IMO.
Seems to be the "someone is getting the use of something and I don't think they are paying for it" attitude and subsequently the jumping up and down tantrum response.
 
I know this was in jest but FWIW, pedal cycles aren't subject to speed limits... And have appalling braking from any speed in an emergency situation!


Back in the early eighties, my mate and I got stopped and were given a bit of a talking to by a policeman in a squad car, because he had followed us on a descent of Linton Hill in Kent, and he said we should be a bit more careful because we were doing over 40MPH and the limit was 30MPH. He could have charged us with "riding furiously" but he just warned us.
I think that shared cycle/pedestrian paths are a recipe for disaster for so many reasons. I think that proper cycle paths on roads are a very good idea, and it frustrates me when cyclists ignore them and ride on the main carriageway. I think it is selfish for cyclists to travel two abreast when the roads are narrow and when there is a lot of traffic around.
I think many motorists do not give cyclists enough room when passing them, and would it really hurt to indicate when passing, rather than suddenly swerve around the cyclist without warning the following vehicle?
I never, ever wore dark clothing when cycling, and I always used lights and wore high viz belt or top at night.
 
And how on earth does someone that’s hard of hearing be aware that someone is coming up behind them . This would in fact dictate that such a person should not indeed be walking on a public shared with cyclists footpath / cycle track .
and b.t.w we have had this discussion on here before and if irc the shared cycle tracks in my neck of the woods do not comply with the rules regarding width .the local council have put up signs to ask cyclists to slow down most have been broken or vandalised ,the council put up a steel gate on a fast downhill stretch to stop the speeding bikers ,it lasted two weeks and is now in retirement on the marsh .
You could turn you head and look behind your more often, you know, like cyclists do when riding on the road and are unable to hear what may be coming up behind them due to wind noise.

For christ sake here we go again!!!

Lets be serious here for a minute......

Yes you get idiotic cyclists but you also get idiotic pedestrians and idiotic drivers so can people get off their moral high horse and not tar all cyclists with the one brush when we are not all like that. There are issues on all accounts of interaction between pedestrains/bicycles/vehicles.
I really don't understand this logic either, painting people with the same brush because of the actions of the few. How is this any different to racism, sexism, or any other prejudice?
I ride a bike, I also drive, walk, take the train, and once even had a go on a pogo stick. Sometimes i'm an idiot wast of skin that needs to 'get off our roads' and sometimes I am a welcome member of society, all depending on what mode of transport I am using at the time. Really? It's no surprise that there are studies showing a correlation between low intelligence and the holding of prejudicial views.

Most of the cyclists i come across are complete muppets which give a bad name to other cyclists. They go through red lights, mount pavements, weave in and out of traffic with no care what so ever. They speed down between buses and kerbs, jesture at other road users and put pedestrians at risk of being knocked over!

I do believe that all cyclists should have road insurance, have registration plates on their bikes and be made to adhere to the highway code!
Where on earth do you live that most cyclists jump red lights, what kind of lawless town do you live in?! I hear this a lot but have never experience it myself. I ride through central London every day where the number of cyclists is huge, and although I regularly see cyclists jumping read or mounting pavements, it is certainly not the majority, may be 2% if I had to put a figure on it.


It is sad to see such a large group of people within a community being so intolerant, but I suppose at least threads like this serve to group those people and highlight who they are. Maybe they could be given a special badge so they can be easily identified and avoided throughout the rest of the forum?
 
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The British car driver hates cyclists. No idea why it's just some horrible attitude issue that doesn't exist in the EU and most of Europe. I think it's because we won't see cycling as a proper sport so all cyclists ate just wannabees or people that can't afford cars hence deserve all they get. In Europe cycling is massive as a sport and held in high regards. Its just the same awful attitude to pedestrians, we just see them as scum that cant afford to be in a car etc.
 
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The British car driver hates cyclists. No idea why it's just some horrible attitude issue that doesn't exist in the EU and most of Europe. I think it's because we won't see cycling as a proper sport so all cyclists ate just wannabees or people that can't afford cars hence deserve all they get. In Europe cycling is massive as a sport and held in high regards. Its just the same awful attitude to pedestrians, we just see them as scum that cant afford to be in a car etc.
I think attitudes vary massively within the UK too, I have noticed a difference between large towns and more rural areas. My daily commute sees me riding from home through a village and small town on way to the station, and through central London on the other side, and return in the evening. Five days a week for four years I have had no abuse, encountered no road rage or anything like the attitudes displayed here from any motorists. One minor accident (not my fault) which can be put down to how busy the roads are and the driver was most apologetic. But there cycling is so common I think it is just seen as just another mode of transport and just as valid as any other.

If only I could say the same for my home area. I get abuse shouted at me from passing cars a couple of times a week, occasional deliberate close passes and on a few occasion having been forcibly pushed into the kerb. This sort of thing happens even at 6:00am when there are only a handful of cars on the road and people are able to pass easily without any delay. The only conclusion I can come to is that there is a much higher proportion small minded knuckle draggers in rural areas.
 
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