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Sack the flippin' lot of 'em!!!

BA made a loss of £342m in the last 9 months, so anyone with a brain cell should realise they need to make some cutbacks.

There is also the civil service on strike, and the trains too. Why are unions hell bent on less hours and more pay? Do they not realise that companies are struggling and having to lay off people. Makes me mad! :annoyed:
 
On the contrary, with idiots like Willie Walsh in charge it doesn't need the unions to wreck BA. Besides as far as I know slavery isn't allowed anymore... so the workers have a total right to withdraw their labour.
 
Good on em I say, standing for what they believe in.

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There's two sides to every story, the fact that staff voted 81% in favour of the strike says there's something seriously wrong. Add to that (I read) that unions in other countries are supporting the strike as well.

I don't recall BA management offering to take massive paycuts and I doubt that any of BAs shareholders lost money last year despite the 'losses' BA claim.
 
I don't believe BA are asking staff to take pay cuts at all. There is a pay freeze (something I and many other workers have had to face during the current recession) and a realignment of grades and pay for new joiners and people promoted. Interestingly, one of the terms is to pay people 10% over market rate - sounds a pretty good deal to me.

Oh, and the CEO worked for free in July, an effective pay cut of about 8.5%
 
Evidently Walsh only earned £743,000 last year. Oh... and another £40,000 in deferred shares. Poor b****r.
 
fabs said:
Erm, how much do you think BA cabin crew earn?
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The point I'm making fabs is exactly that... they do earn (the amount is irrelevant to this argument). Therefore they are not slaves and have a perfect right to withdraw their labour.

But to answer your question, including allowances, everything I can see shows it as just short of £30k (more than Virgin or easyjet).
 
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Bill Roberts said:
On the contrary, with idiots like Willie Walsh in charge it doesn't need the unions to wreck BA. Besides as far as I know slavery isn't allowed anymore... so the workers have a total right to withdraw their labour.
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that is the most pathetic comment. You are fully armed with willie walsh's salary, but havent mentioned BA cabin crew

The average salary for BA’s 14,000 cabin crew, including bonuses and allowances, is £29,900, compared with £14,400 at Virgin Atlantic and £20,200 at easyJet.
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near on 30k a year they earn with perks. :eek: and they strike? Do me a favour! they are lucky to have jobs in an industry that is on its arse - the country has been in recession but these greedy ***** are going to screw up the jobs they have. If they dont like it, they can leave. :bang:

they are ruining other peoples hard earned holidays with their actions, which is disgusting.
 
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BA are on their knees as it is and this industrial action will make things even worse. Some of these unions seem to forget there is recession on and sacrifices have to be made otherwise their jobs will disappear altogether.

I really do not understand this mentality.
 
Bill Roberts said:
The point I'm making fabs is exactly that... they do earn (the amount is irrelevant to this argument). Therefore they are not slaves and have a perfect right to withdraw their labour.

But to answer your question, including allowances, everything I can see shows it as just short of £30k (more than Virgin or easyjet).
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What gives them the right to withdraw their labour?
 
And why I ask is the country in recession? Is it the workers fault? Or did the bankers just get a bit too greedy gambling with our money?
And who bailed them out?

We're obviously never going to agree on this one. Let's just leave it.
 
Bill Roberts said:
And why I ask is the country in recession? Is it the workers fault? Or did the bankers just get a bit too greedy gambling with our money?
And who bailed them out?

We're obviously never going to agree on this one. Let's just leave it.
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I see. So as it isn't their fault the country is in recession then they are perfectly justified in making things worse?
 
Bill Roberts said:
And why I ask is the country in recession? Is it the workers fault? Or did the bankers just get a bit too greedy gambling with our money?
And who bailed them out?

We're obviously never going to agree on this one. Let's just leave it.
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the unions are just as greedy, the only difference is that the unions will cost more members their jobs. the money BA loses in these strikes, where is that going to come from?

I dont agree with striking like this, the workers are being led a merry dance by power crazy union fools. The possible upcoming rail strikes is about safety, THAT I would agree with as it is in the interest of passengers, not already bulging wallets.
 
Bill Roberts said:
Are you seriously suggesting that they don't have the right?
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why should they? They choose to work for BA, if they dont like having to earn the same amount of money next year, they can work elsewhere.
 
You are wasting your time Bill. You will never educate the internet mongs. Unite need a Bob Crowe in charge to scare the **** out of the employers.
 
The employers are already scared. BA is going to the dogs, losing money and saddled with a major pension issue. The fact the employees want to help that state amazes me. Perhaps when the P45s arrive, they will look back and think, "Yeah, we showed them!"
 
lofcuk said:
You are wasting your time Bill. You will never educate the internet mongs. Unite need a Bob Crowe in charge to scare the **** out of the employers.
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I fear you're right.

But I love a good argument, as long as it doesn't get personal.
 
I think calling people internet mongs is offensive. Strikes didnt do any goodin the 70s and they wont now.
 
BA are ready to go to the wall, the staff are the best paid in the industry and they're on strike.

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Welcome to the 1970s
 
lofcuk said:
You are wasting your time Bill. You will never educate the internet mongs. Unite need a Bob Crowe in charge to scare the **** out of the employers.
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So because I don't agree with your point of view I'm a mong? Firstly can you enlighten me as to what exactly a mong is? I have a fair idea but I'd just like you to confirm it for me. Secondly, I might think that because you don't agree with me with that you are a ****, but I would not post it as I have a bit more courtesy.

I await your response.
 
lofcuk said:
You are wasting your time Bill. You will never educate the internet mongs. Unite need a Bob Crowe in charge to scare the **** out of the employers.
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Well we've brought our insights and opinions to this debate. You've brought a personal insult based on a term used for insulting disabled people.

Not doing too well really are you.
 
Oh... don't just jump on a single comment. Matty called my comments pathetic in post #11 but I didn't take umbridge about it. We're bigger than that surely, all of us.
 
your comments, not you. world of difference.
 
Bill Roberts said:
The point I'm making fabs is exactly that... they do earn (the amount is irrelevant to this argument). Therefore they are not slaves and have a perfect right to withdraw their labour.
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But at the same time the employers don't have a right to say we want more productivity? That's the bit about the unions that gets me.

Same as the PO, they've just had a settlement which is going to kill them and they're treating it as a great victory :shrug:
 
thead is going nowhere, tempers getting raised, so locking.
 
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