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It manifests as a slight blurring or even a slight double image. If it happens and you look for it you'll see it.
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That'll be good as I already have a spare from my LX100 days.
@Nod above mentioned Sony RX100 .. it's really very cool camera, almost ideal for streetfoto ... small, discreet, with pop-up viewfinder, with zoom range 24-70 (35mm equiv) .. I had one (mk.4) and later swapped it for fuji x100f (which I still have) and honestly - I am regretting that a bit but pfff, I cannot justify to buy another camera that I will be really using only very rarely (I have 10 digital camera bodies and my wife is already crazy about that 
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I have revisited the Olympus Em10 and found a couple of second hand ones that don't look too bad but now I'm looking at lenses for it and I have a question: Are Panasonic and Olympus lenses interchangeable? Several videos I've watched seem to compare the two makes as if either will fit, is this true? If so, is one make at all better then the other?
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Yes.
Only caveat, Olympus bodies tend to have image stabilisation, so the lenses don't, whereas Panasonic bodies tend not to, so the many of the lenses do.
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It's an Olympus body I'm looking at, specifically Olympus OM-D E-M10 Mark III for £285
It has a shutter count of 10,000 but I'm presuming that's not too bad.
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I don't know anything about that camera but DPReview have an article that may help:
Olympus OM-D E-M10 Mark III Review
The Olympus OM-D E-M10 III is a gentle refresh of its predecessor. It's still a 16MP Micro Four Thirds mirrorless camera, still keenly priced and still devastatingly pretty. A revision of the user interface to make it more beginner friendly and the addition of 4K video sound good, but how much...
www.dpreview.com
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I don't know anything about that camera but DPReview have an article that may help:
Olympus OM-D E-M10 Mark III Review
The Olympus OM-D E-M10 III is a gentle refresh of its predecessor. It's still a 16MP Micro Four Thirds mirrorless camera, still keenly priced and still devastatingly pretty. A revision of the user interface to make it more beginner friendly and the addition of 4K video sound good, but how much...
Yes, I've read that. I think I'll go for it, it's only for a throw-it-in-the-car, lightweight, B&W, street camera and for when my D850 is just too big, heavy and obvious.
I don't think so.
The smaller primes and zooms were originally cheap compared with a lot of modern modern lenses. They're not bad lenses - and quite usable - but there are design compromises. - the 45mm F1.8 is well regarded but actually has quite a bit of field curvature (which maybe actually works in its favour for some owners ).
The little Panasonic 12-32 doesn't have a focus ring - and AFAIA only the Panasonic bodies provide a manual focus option for it.
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I'm buying it with the Panasonic 20mm f1.7 so as to keep the size down.
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Lenses from both can be used on the other, but sometimes with loss of features.
Some people say the focus speed of the 20mm 1,7 lens worries them, it is not virtually instant like most of the Panasonic lenses, but it is still only a fraction of a second, and much faster than most dSLR lenses, and in the areas I normally use the lens, makes no difference to me, it is a very nice lens, you have made a good choice and I'm sure will enjoy it.
For me one the biggest differences is the menu systems. I found on Olympus I was always trying to find things.
I couldn't get on with the Olympus menu, no with control layout.
Obviously these things don't worry the Olympus owners
A feature I often use on the Panasonic is the custom settings for quick changes between common setting combinations.
On the GX7 (and the GX9 and G9s) in P mode I have sharpening and noise reduction turned to minimum and saturation 0, on C1 they are the defaults, on C2 the cameras are set for a 5X1 exposure bracket, and C3 to B&W. (of course most menu settings can be stored in the C positions)
All set from the main mode dial.
It's interesting that the Olympus OM-D E-M10 Mark III is almost the same size as the GX7 (and the GX9), though a different shape.
Features between it and the GX7 are very similar too.
Didn't realise that until this thread, it's been interesting to compare !
Look forward to hearing how well it suits you
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E-m10 is fantastic for a tiny bit of kit, and pairs well with a range of tiny lenses - great choice!
I really rate the Panasonic 20mm 1.7. It has a slow autofocus (makes me think of the old screw drives!) but it's fine for street, tiny, sharp, weighs nothing and feels great. The olympus 17mm is supposed to be excellent too. I have an epl7 with the 20mm basically glued on, a perfect point and click but the epl7 doesn't have an evf.
I used to have the olympus powerzoom 14-42mm. It's a cheap, tiny, collapsible kit lens that was shockingly very excellent! Sharp, instant autofocus but did need powerzoom which was a bit annoying. The Panasonic 12-32 is equally small, and I'm sure will be every bit as sharp.
Finally if you did want to get a second lens to partner with the 20mm, the olympus 45mm 1.8 is a wonderful portrait lens that fits in your pocket. It's sharp as heck. It does have some purple/green fringing but otherwise it's another real winner that's available shockingly affordable.
I really rate the Panasonic 20mm 1.7. It has a slow autofocus (makes me think of the old screw drives!) but it's fine for street, tiny, sharp, weighs nothing and feels great. The olympus 17mm is supposed to be excellent too. I have an epl7 with the 20mm basically glued on, a perfect point and click but the epl7 doesn't have an evf.
I used to have the olympus powerzoom 14-42mm. It's a cheap, tiny, collapsible kit lens that was shockingly very excellent! Sharp, instant autofocus but did need powerzoom which was a bit annoying. The Panasonic 12-32 is equally small, and I'm sure will be every bit as sharp.
Finally if you did want to get a second lens to partner with the 20mm, the olympus 45mm 1.8 is a wonderful portrait lens that fits in your pocket. It's sharp as heck. It does have some purple/green fringing but otherwise it's another real winner that's available shockingly affordable.
e-m10 with lens will be bigger and heavier than fuji x100 .. I don't understand now .. if you want a cool streetphoto camera I was thinking that you're looking for some compact or alike .. I would recommend to reconsider sony rx100
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Sometimes one has to go with the gut and I changed my mind. It won't be much bigger, if at all, but I think it will suit me better, especially if it works. Perhaps I was very unlucky with the X100Vs that I had, but that sticky EVF curtain fault seems to be thing on X100s and for a camera that [now] costs over thirteen hundred quid I don't regret getting rid of it. Because of the price rise and present rarity of the X100V, I lost hardly any money on it and with this new [to me] camera being second hand and less than a third of that price, I can cope if it's a little bigger than I'd originally planned. Reading through the replies here and doing research on various models, it seems there are very few cameras that fully fit the criteria that I put in my original post. I was looking favourably on the GRiii for quite some time but the lack of viewfinder was a deal-breaker as the compact I'm using at the moment (my wife's old Panasonic TZ8) only has an LCD screen and I didn't use it much as I couldn't see it very well, especially in the sunlight, I didn't expect the GRiii to fare any better. I decided early on that the Sony RX100 was too expensive, at the top end of my proposed budget, and with too many features that I wouldn't use, so ruled it out almost immediately; second-hand models didn't seem very good value for the large amount of money required, no matter how good the camera. I dialled back my expectations and went used with the E-m10 and a pancake lens, we'll see how it fairs; you never know I might be a convert to MFT but in any event, the D850 stays with me, no compact camera can hope to compete with that.
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It's a shame it has to be digital and pocket size.
The best cameras I found for street photography (and I've never done much of it) are medium format with waist level finders.
People don't twig that they are going to be in a picture if you are looking downward.
My vote would have been a Yashicamat 124 G.
Just sayin!
The best cameras I found for street photography (and I've never done much of it) are medium format with waist level finders.
People don't twig that they are going to be in a picture if you are looking downward.
My vote would have been a Yashicamat 124 G.
Just sayin!
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The punter did say he wanted a viewfinder not an lcd screen.With a tilting LCD you can do just that
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Yes, agreed, I took it that the Yashicamat had a ground glass screen.The punter did say he wanted a viewfinder not an lcd screen.
Also. the GX7 has a viewfinder that you can face upwards as well
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You are correct, it does have a ground glass screen.Yes, agreed, I took it that the Yashicamat had a ground glass screen.
Also. the GX7 has a viewfinder that you can face upwards as well
It also has a pop up magnifying lens for people who have less than perfect eyesight.
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Nikon's twisty Coolpix digital cameras (two examples being the 990 and the S10) were at least as good, in that respect and the tiny S10 even better. It's a pity the market went off in a different direction and Nikon abandoned the design.
I found I could stand in the middle of the street taking pictures with the S10 and no-one noticed me...
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Well, my Olympus E-10 arrived today with the Panasonic 20mm f1.7 and I am very pleased with my purchase. I think it is a little fatter (with lens on), front to back, than the X100V, but I'm sure it is a little smaller side to side. It's really rather dinky but has enough heft to feel like a much larger camera. To think that it is also a system camera and I could buy lenses that could take me to the 35mm equivalent of 800mm for just a grand is amazing. When the weather gets a little less wet, I shall take it out and see how it performs in the real world but so far, I'm impressed. Thank you to those who recommended it.
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Hope it works out for you Martin.
I used to love using the Nikon D700 for candid street shots (mainly for the colours and AF) but it had the loudest shutter slap in the world and the whole neighbourhood could hear it.
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Two totally different designs fom Nikon.
The S10 is a fraction of the size of the D700 and virtually silent. I always used it at waist level and nobody ever seemed to notice me...
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Personally I'm not convinced a small camera is the best for street photography (not that I do much of it) it strikes me as someone holding a tiny camera almost hiding it is likely to look more suspicious that someone with a socking great DSLR being obvious.. Even better a phone on a selfie stick, I see people walking around with these even in my sleepy quiet town, they must be common in a busy big city, they are ignored even where I live.
That said I'm no serious street photographer, so take what I say with a pinch os salt.
That said I'm no serious street photographer, so take what I say with a pinch os salt.
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I don’t think it’s a case of looking suspicious or otherwise. For me it’s more a case of convenience. My little Ricoh GRiii is operated one-handed (even with a suitable flash attached) and can be instantly available to shoot. This is something I could never do even with my little m43 that I used before.
Interestingly I recently went out with a FED film camera and 50mm lens and was surprised how much more negative attention it got!
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I agree.
As in wild life photography, it's about not being intrusive and not disturbing the subject. People who walk up to strangers and fire a flash in their face are, in my opinion, on some form of ego trip.
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I'd far rather be up front in holding a camera, albeit not a DSLR sized one, than creeping about with a long lens; close to voyeurism.
The Pen F is great, although it is interesting how time and improvements in other cameras make it feel slower and in need of an upgrade.
The Pen F is great, although it is interesting how time and improvements in other cameras make it feel slower and in need of an upgrade.
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So you're suggesting that all wild life photographers are voyeurists?
Or is it that you think that real men / women/ small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri must prove that taking photographs is a macho occupation?
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The title of this thread is "Street photography camera suggestions"
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@AndrewFlannigan Don't lay bait. Stick to the topic. @Pound Coin Horatio, time to put that telescope to the blind eye - ie don't fall for the bait.
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In my defence, and you know I never argue with the management, I wasn't laying any bait. I was simply following through the line that Tony started with his mention of TLRs.
I admit that I shouldn't have been so pointed about other styles of working, so point taken.
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I didn't say anything.
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Took the Olympus out this morning while walking the dogs and am just looking at the results. I took just a few pictures with one hand (holding dog leads with other) and in B&W. First impressions are that the pictures are sharp and easily taken [with that one hand]. The camera is not quite silent but compared to my big DSLR it's like a whisper in a city street and the IS seems to work really well, but as is oft mentioned here and in Youtube videos, the focusing on the 20mm f1.7 Panasonic lens is a little on the sluggish side but really not a problem worth giving more than a passing note. Taking the pictures in monochrome, of course, turned out to be pointless as both Faststone and LR immediately displayed the pictures in colour, so the only use in using B&W in the camera is to see what it would look like when turned back into monochrome at post processing; it was interesting to see though but I probably won't bother again. The Olympus OM-D E-M10 Mkiii is a lovely little camera to use as a go-anywhere-quickly job, one of the only downsides being the ridiculously long name. I envisage using this for some considerable time but I don't think MFT would be my sole format of choice, mostly due to cropping limitations caused by the small sensor, but also because I am a masochist and like hauling 3kg of D850 and Sigma lenses around with me (makes me look like I know what I'm doing ).
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Good first outing by the sound of it. I actually have a Mk 1 with a 14mm pancake lens, and a Mk3 that I normally keep a 14-42mm on, and I think they are terrific value for money. I have been wont to sit the camera on a cafe table and flip out the screen a bit, just pressing the shutter occasionally whilst pretending to move the camera.