'Stops'

EOS_JD said:
3 clicks of ss (in one direction) from any SS value is a stop of light

3 clicks of aperture (in one direction) from any aperture value is a stop of light

3 clicks of ISO (in one direction) from ANY ISO value is a stop of light.

What is confusing?
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As others have said, it is not always 3 clicks. And I even if shutter and aperture are set at 3 clicks ISO is not is it? Pretty sure my cameras have always gone 100,200,400 etc,. and not 100, 133, 166, 200, 266 etc,.?
 
EOS_JD said:
In those situations you switch to Bulb more where you can control the shutter speed to any value you wish. You are not limited to 30 seconds in Bulb mode
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:lol: I know. I was just making the point in reply to sk66 that if an exposure would be longer that 30 seconds, by using a 10 Stop filter in the example I gave, the camera is not going to work that out for you. :shake:

And how long do you use the Bulb setting for, if you don't know how Stops and Exposure works? :shrug:

No need to answer that btw. ;)

Thanks for your input though. :)
 
Steve Smith said:
People's palms are usually of the same reflectance regardless of skin colour. This would only be correct for the back of the hand.


Steve.
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We'll have to agree to disagree :)
I know what works for me and I'm sure that you know what works for you :D
 
EOS_JD said:
3 clicks of ss (in one direction) from any SS value is a stop of light

3 clicks of aperture (in one direction) from any aperture value is a stop of light

3 clicks of ISO (in one direction) from ANY ISO value is a stop of light.

What is confusing?
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Okay, let me get my Minolta SR-1 35mm SLR camera with the Vivitar 28-50mm zoom lens out of my camera bag...

I'm going to test your theory...

I've turned the shutter speed dial to say 1/60, ok, so I'm going to turn the dial 3 clicks up, okay so what have I got? It says 1/500, well would you believe it? That's actually 3 stops of a light!

Okay, I'm setting the aperture to say f16, I'm going to carefully turn the aperture ring slowly so I could feel 3 clicks... there, I felt three clicks, okay so what do it say, actually it's there's nothing marked there, well it's between f8 and f11, er, that's gotta be what? one and a half stop of a light right?

And please don't make me test your theory of 3 clicks = 1 stop with my Nikon D200, because I know mine is set to full stop setting so for me 1 click = 1 stop.

Your 3 clicks is 1 stop of a light for you and your camera, and also for anyone else using digital cameras set to use 1/3 settings, but...

For other people who use manual cameras or digital cameras which had been set to either full stop or 1/2 stops, it is a different numbers of clicks for different numbers of stops.

3 clicks = 1 stop is confusing because like I said, when I tried 3 clicks, mine turns out to be either 3 stops or one and half stop.

The correct thing is to state that "depending on your camera's settings or model, sometimes 3 clicks = 1 stop" not "3 clicks is 1 stop"
 
Uneducated_Rick said:
it is only 3 clicks if your camera is set to 1/3 stops increment - some people have it set to 1/2 or whole stop increments
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The default for dSLRs these days is third stops and you would likely only change if you knew what you were doing. You get the meaning I'm sure
 
Major Eazy said:
Okay, let me get my Minolta SR-1 35mm SLR camera with the Vivitar 28-50mm zoom lens out of my camera bag...

I'm going to test your theory...

I've turned the shutter speed dial to say 1/60, ok, so I'm going to turn the dial 3 clicks up, okay so what have I got? It says 1/500, well would you believe it? That's actually 3 stops of a light!

Okay, I'm setting the aperture to say f16, I'm going to carefully turn the aperture ring slowly so I could feel 3 clicks... there, I felt three clicks, okay so what do it say, actually it's there's nothing marked there, well it's between f8 and f11, er, that's gotta be what? one and a half stop of a light right?

And please don't make me test your theory of 3 clicks = 1 stop with my Nikon D200, because I know mine is set to full stop setting so for me 1 click = 1 stop.

Your 3 clicks is 1 stop of a light for you and your camera, and also for anyone else using digital cameras set to use 1/3 settings, but...

For other people who use manual cameras or digital cameras which had been set to either full stop or 1/2 stops, it is a different numbers of clicks for different numbers of stops.

3 clicks = 1 stop is confusing because like I said, when I tried 3 clicks, mine turns out to be either 3 stops or one and half stop.

The correct thing is to state that "depending on your camera's settings or model, sometimes 3 clicks = 1 stop" not "3 clicks is 1 stop"
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As stated above the default for pretty much all dSLR cameras these days is one third stops for SS, Aperture and ISO. Lets not get into an argument over nothing. Easier and more polite to say yes correct as long as the camera is set to third stops and yes I shjould have stated so long as you have not changed the default.

3 clicks is not confusing.

For you to use the D200 with full stops you had to KNOW that you were changing it and why. So you understand one click is a stop of light - that is not confusing at all although personallyt I don't understand why anyone would shoot in full stops - especially with digital (but that is another argument).

Yip my fault for not stating the obvious. But the process is not confusing.
 
redhed17 said:
:lol: I know. I was just making the point in reply to sk66 that if an exposure would be longer that 30 seconds, by using a 10 Stop filter in the example I gave, the camera is not going to work that out for you. :shake:

And how long do you use the Bulb setting for, if you don't know how Stops and Exposure works? :shrug:

No need to answer that btw. ;)

Thanks for your input though. :)
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Use a 10 stopper guide lol
 
EOS_JD said:
The default for dSLRs these days is third stops and you would likely only change if you knew what you were doing. You get the meaning I'm sure
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Agree, apart from ISO which is usually in full stops - 100,200,400 etc,. of course.
 
ernesto said:
Agree, apart from ISO which is usually in full stops - 100,200,400 etc,. of course.
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In all my cameras, past and present, the ISO was/is changed in 3rd Stop steps, and that includes my Canon S95 and previous compacts, not just DSLRs.

It's easy enough to check what one click is equal to on the camera you have. Does one click = 1 Stop, half Stop or 3rd Stop? How many clicks does it take to get 1/125th to 1/250th, from f4 to f5.6, from ISO 200 to 400? If it's one click, it's whole stops. Two clicks, half a Stop. Three clicks, third Stops. :shrug: Simple. ;)

If it is a Digital camera it is most likely set to 3rds by default, but you need to check. I would say 3rd's is the most useful, giving finer control, but it's up to the individual to decide how they want it set up.

Does that finish the number of clicks debate now? :shrug: ;) :lol:
 
No it doesn't finish it I'm afraid. In all the cameras I have owned (10+) ISO is always 100,200,400. Shutter and Aperture are usually in 3rds but never ISO.

Are you saying that when you change ISO it goes from 100, 133, 166 etc,. ?
 
ernesto said:
Shutter and Aperture are usually in 3rds but never ISO.
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My last camera (650D) was full stops, current (5D3) is in thirds. If the purpose of this exercise was to illustrate that it's best to check... mission accomplished!!
 
redhed17 said:
In all my cameras, past and present, the ISO was/is changed in 3rd Stop steps, and that includes my Canon S95 and previous compacts, not just DSLRs.

It's easy enough to check what one click is equal to on the camera you have. Does one click = 1 Stop, half Stop or 3rd Stop? How many clicks does it take to get 1/125th to 1/250th, from f4 to f5.6, from ISO 200 to 400? If it's one click, it's whole stops. Two clicks, half a Stop. Three clicks, third Stops. :shrug: Simple. ;)

If it is a Digital camera it is most likely set to 3rds by default, but you need to check. I would say 3rd's is the most useful, giving finer control, but it's up to the individual to decide how they want it set up.

Does that finish the number of clicks debate now? :shrug: ;) :lol:
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Let's hope so.
 
HoppyUK said:
Let's hope so.
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Sadly not it seems. ;) :lol:

ernesto said:
No it doesn't finish it I'm afraid. In all the cameras I have owned (10+) ISO is always 100,200,400. Shutter and Aperture are usually in 3rds but never ISO.

Are you saying that when you change ISO it goes from 100, 133, 166 etc,. ?
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No, I'm saying it goes from 100-125-160-200, which is the 3rd Stops.

We must be buying different cameras. ;)

Because of work, I see a lot of cameras, and I don't think I've seen any camera apart from the most basic compact camera not change ISO in 3rd Stops. And I have never seen any camera change Stop in half increments for each click. Must just be the cameras I'm owning/seeing. :shrug:
 
ernesto said:
Agree, apart from ISO which is usually in full stops - 100,200,400 etc,. of course.
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Actually iso default is in thirds although perhaps again that too is dependant on the camera. I remember my old 20D being full stops but all since then the default was thirds
 
ISO thirds on mine by default is 100, 125, 160, 200, 250, 320, 400 and so on.
 
Number45 said:
My last camera (650D) was full stops, current (5D3) is in thirds. If the purpose of this exercise was to illustrate that it's best to check... mission accomplished!!
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Looks like many are indeed different. Lol
 
EOS_JD said:
As stated above the default for pretty much all dSLR cameras these days is one third stops for SS, Aperture and ISO. Lets not get into an argument over nothing. Easier and more polite to say yes correct as long as the camera is set to third stops and yes I shjould have stated so long as you have not changed the default.

3 clicks is not confusing.
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3 clicks is still confusing if a newbie bought a second hand camera that had been changed from default setting and such newbie did not know about this, and that the newbie comes here and was told 3 clicks = 1 stop.
 
Sorry, all. On further checking many of my cameras jump from 100 - 200 but then go in thirds after that.
ISO is not something I change that much and usually use auto up to the level I am happy with for the camera.
 
ernesto said:
Sorry, all. On further checking many of my cameras jump from 100 - 200 but then go in thirds after that.
ISO is not something I change that much and usually use auto up to the level I am happy with for the camera.
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That is normal for Nikon cameras I think. The base ISO is 200 and the 100 is an extended ISO - where the software in the camera effectively pulls ISO200 to make it ISO100. You lose dynamic range when doing that so best to limit the use of it.

The ISO levels beyond 200 should work fine till you reach the max native ISO then it will push to a level or two beyond that. Again best to be avoided if you can.
 
Major Eazy said:
3 clicks is still confusing if a newbie bought a second hand camera that had been changed from default setting and such newbie did not know about this, and that the newbie comes here and was told 3 clicks = 1 stop.
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lol - that is all.
 
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