stick with canon or change to Nikon?

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Chatting to a friend who has a 650d and he's become a pretty good photographer i have to say. He wants to upgrade but cant afford FF at the moment, he's tried my 60d but doesn't feel its an upgrade enough, i suggested the 7d but like me the older cf cards put him off and the 70d not quite convinced about so there seems little options canon wise unless you go FF so i said i'd ask on here about nikon alternatives so any suggestions appreciated
 
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I "upgraded" to a 7D from a 550D, all I can say is that it was a huge mistake. I now have a Nikon D7000 and, for me, it is leagues better than than the Canon 7D, faster to aquire focus in difficult circumstances and much cleaner images.
 
mr bill said:
i suggested the 7d but like me the older cf cards put him off
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Seems like such an inconsequential thing to put you off a camera. What's the issue with CF cards? Had one in my old body and it did what it said on the tin. No difference between them and sd cards in my eyes (maybe a bit tougher, easier not to lose)
 
was looking myself the at d7000, you really think its its better than the 7d? if that's the case might change myself
not an issue with cf just more used to sd (and have loads of sd cards)
 
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mr bill said:
Chatting to a friend who has a 650d and he's become a pretty good photographer i have to say. He wants to upgrade but cant afford FF at the moment, he's tried my 60d but doesn't feel its an upgrade enough, i suggested the 7d but like me the older cf cards put him off and the 70d not quite convinced about so there seems little options canon wise unless you go FF so i said i'd ask on here about nikon alternatives so any suggestions appreciated
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Literally WTF, the use of the larger more robust CF cards has put him off a camera:cuckoo:

You will have to forgive me, that's just completely nuts. At some point he might want to upgrade again, and he'll not find another 'pro' camera that doesn't take CF cards, they're just starting to introduce SD slots for the 2nd card, it'll be a long time before CF cards are redundant.
 
I've found lenses have more to do with auto focus speed than the camera. The 7d focussed very very well, as does the 1dx.

And as for older cf cards, well lets just say I don't agree with that. CF cards are fine. The nikon d4 uses that and a xqd card. Tell him to look at the newer flashier xqd cards price and see if he really wants the newer technology. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lexar-Profe...rs&ie=UTF8&qid=1380578013&sr=1-8&keywords=xqd

Why not suggest to him a 5d mk 1. Cheaper than most newer crop cameras, and from photos on here capable of giving stonking results.
 
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Phil V said:
Literally WTF, the use of the larger more robust CF cards has put him off a camera:cuckoo:

You will have to forgive me, that's just completely nuts. At some point he might want to upgrade again, and he'll not find another 'pro' camera that doesn't take CF cards, they're just starting to introduce SD slots for the 2nd card, it'll be a long time before CF cards are redundant.
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Please this is not about what cards the camera takes can we stick to the subject/original question,forget about cards thank you, i'm sure we'd both swap cards if the camera was right, its not an issue
 
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mr bill said:
Please this is not about what cards the camera takes can we stick to the subject/original question,forget about cards thank you
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So he has lenses and experience with Canon, what about the 60d does he not like? And what does he not get from his current camera? What does he think the Nikon offers over Canon? Why has he ruled out all other makes?

Those are questions he should ask himself before deciding to change.
 
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So he has lenses and experience with Canon, what about the 60d does he not like? And what does he not get from his current camera? What does he think the Nikon offers over Canon? Why has he ruled out all other makes?

Those are questions he should ask himself before deciding to change.
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he does a lot of wildlife doesn't think the 60d has the speed or colour rendition he would like ????, i find it ok but he................he's not ruled out other makes if you know something we dont feel free
 
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he was looking at the nikon d7000/7100 and the 7d and wondering how they compare as canon dont seem to be bringing out the 7d upgrade out for another year or so and it will be expensive
 
Well the D7100 is the preferred choice for wildlife because of it's crop plus high megapixels, D7100 seems the obvious choice here
 
D800, it has two card slots.One Sd and one CF, such a choice.........:)
 
mr bill said:
Please this is not about what cards the camera takes can we stick to the subject/original question,forget about cards thank you, i'm sure we'd both swap cards if the camera was right, its not an issue
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Sorry.
I have no idea what gave me that idea? :thinking:
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mr bill said:
Chatting to a friend who has a 650d and he's become a pretty good photographer i have to say. He wants to upgrade but cant afford FF at the moment, he's tried my 60d but doesn't feel its an upgrade enough, i suggested the 7d but like me the older cf cards put him off and the 70d not quite convinced about so there seems little options canon wise unless you go FF so i said i'd ask on here about nikon alternatives so any suggestions appreciated
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Now if you feel it's irrelevant, why did you give it as the only reason to dismiss the obvious choice :bang: :bang: :bang:
 
mr bill said:
Chatting to a friend who has a 650d and he's become a pretty good photographer i have to say. He wants to upgrade but cant afford FF at the moment, he's tried my 60d but doesn't feel its an upgrade enough, i suggested the 7d but like me the older cf cards put him off and the 70d not quite convinced about so there seems little options canon wise unless you go FF so i said i'd ask on here about nikon alternatives so any suggestions appreciated
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Your friend should try and get to a camera store and try a 7D, 70D and D7100 to see which they prefer the handling of. The reviews and owner opinions are all well and good, but how the camera handles is more important.

I'm a happy Canon owner but would be looking to see what I thought of the D7100 if I was buying a new high end aps-c camera tomorrow.
 
Phil V said:
Sorry.
I have no idea what gave me that idea? :thinking:
Ooh maybe it was...

Now if you feel it's irrelevant, why did you give it as the only reason to dismiss the obvious choice :bang: :bang: :bang:
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But the actual question the OP asked was,

''so i said i'd ask on here about nikon alternatives so any suggestions appreciated''

So no, not relevant, why don't people read opening post's and understand the question at hand?:bang:
 
Ivan S said:
But the actual question the OP asked was,

''so i said i'd ask on here about nikon alternatives so any suggestions appreciated''

So no, not relevant, why don't people read opening post's and understand the question at hand?:bang:
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You're kidding right? (you must be)

It's just if I said: "I can no lo longer live in France because everyone speaks German, where should I move to?" it'd be wrong for someone to point out that France is mostly full of French speakers?

Really?? :nuts:

The guy thought the 7d would be perfect, but didn't want to use CF cards FFS:cuckoo: the worlds gone mad and people are happy to watch and smile.
 
Well he gave his reason and asked what Nikon to go for, are we here to pick him to pieces or give him the advice he asked for?
 
Ivan S said:
Well he gave his reason and asked what Nikon to go for, are we here to pick him to pieces or give him the advice he asked for?
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No, we are here to give advice based on experience. Almost anyone will tell you that switching systems can lose you a serious amount of wonga.


As for the original question...

The first thing that I'd do is try to get hold of a copy of last week's Amateur Photographer which has a decent review of the 70D comparing it quite favourably against the 7D.

If he's determined to switch sides, then the D7100 is pretty much a no brainer parallel.
 
Sorry if I've misread the thread, but while the d7000 is a great camera(I've had one and it's awesome in a lot of ways) I reckon if he is wanting FF, could he not just grab a 5DC? similar if not better noise performance.

What is it he's wanting it for specifically? the d7100 has a useless buffer, something like 1 second if that.
 
I don't think that a 5D would be very good for wildlife. At least not compared to more modern alternatives.
 
DemiLion said:
I don't think that a 5D would be very good for wildlife. At least not compared to more modern alternatives.
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What about an older one series? I don't know but have the feeling you know more about this than me.

He'd have a solid body, weathersealing, a crop sensor and high fps. Sounds like happy days to me.
 
Ivan S said:
But the actual question the OP asked was,

''so i said i'd ask on here about nikon alternatives so any suggestions appreciated''

So no, not relevant, why don't people read opening post's and understand the question at hand?:bang:
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The question was headed "Stick with Canon or change to Nikon?"

There's no wonder I can't believe I got it so wrong :shrug:
 
OK, for the avoidance of doubt, the question I'm addressing is this one: "Stick with Canon or change to Nikon?"

Here's my £0.02-worth. If he does a lot of wildlife he presumably already has, or plans to acquire, a good long lens. Has he thought through the implications of system choice there? (Presumably not, if he also wants to go FF, but it can't help to ask.)
 
Stick with Canon imho, cheaper lenses (and more of)
CF cards are hidden, the same as all other cards (unless he's put off by the price) but if someone's going to look seriously into a camera then a decent card is paramount, none of this class 3 Scamdisk rubbish.
What is the real reason for the reasons on upgrade / switch? Every camera has its perks, Even my 1DX has a few things that I would like to be added but that will never happen.
If your friend has only a body and 1 or 2 lenses then he may aswell change over but if he has several lenses then surely it makes sense to keep the kit and replace the body with something better (especially a 7D)
If it's going to be used for wildlife then even a 5D1 will be fine, it seems that too many people believe you can't take a good photo unless you have the latest kit. Look at some photos taken on older bodies, it's not always about the kit, it's the subject, the situation, the speed at which you think you can manually enter the settings to get the shot right. The rest of it can be laziness if you're relying too much on a camera to do the work for you.
What else is he looking for in terms of the body itself? See a comparison here of his current against the Nikon
 
StewartR said:
OK, for the avoidance of doubt, the question I'm addressing is this one: "Stick with Canon or change to Nikon?"

Here's my £0.02-worth. If he does a lot of wildlife he presumably already has, or plans to acquire, a good long lens. Has he thought through the implications of system choice there? (Presumably not, if he also wants to go FF, but it can't help to ask.)
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That's what I was thinking
If he wants to shoot wildlife in my humble opinion a crop camera is the best option to get the required reach
with full frame you need very expensive long lenses
It's not about which body but which manufacturer has the best choice of lenses that will meet your needs
For me it was Canon but nikon now does have a very good range of lenses also
 
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After all these theoretical talk, what lenses does he actually have? Switching ecosystems is expensive if he has a lot of good lenses already, especially for wildlife.

For actual camera abilities, they are all the same big heavy ugly bulky beasts that take photo, not one is better than the other.
 
I wanted to stay with Canon because of the range, choice and price of lenses but on a day out while taking both the 7D and D7000, both with comparable lenses, both with comparable settings. I was trying to capture Dragonflies in flight, most of them were hovering over grass (yes I am aware that is difficult situation for any camera to focus on).
Both cameras were set to spot focus, contiuous focus and both were trained on the dragonfly. The 7D absolutely refused to focus on anything other than the grass behind even though the foucus point was directly on the subject, occaisionally picking it up but then losing it just as fast. The Nikon on the other hand was a joy to use, yes it did focus on grass when the dragonfly moved (skittish things) but quickly picked it up again as soon as it was on the focus point.
needles to say, I ended up with way more keepers from the Nikon than from the Canon.
I'm no expert and just giving my findings. I am sure that there are plenty of people on here who could have done a much better job than me but speaking as someone who uses photography as a hobby and not as a professional, I found the canon just far too frustrating and the results too dissapointing for me to invest any more of my hard earned money in that direction, and the 7D will be on its way to a new home.
 
The thing is, the OP's friend is going to make his decision regardless of this thread. We can all put in advice from both manufacturers but once he's held the alternative camera I'm sure he'll make the decision. I just hope he doesn't go to a Jessops where the staff aren't trained or the dreaded Currys / PCWorld franchise (Although there are some intelligent staff out there but not all of them etc).
 
A 7d upgrade to a 550d is like going from a merc to a bedford rascall!

Ive got friends who swear by nikon d4 and high end gear, Ive also got a mate who shoots with 50ds and out performs both :-)

Stick with what you no and IMO canon have the edge with the glass and Nikon with bodys :-)
 
Phil V said:
The question was headed "Stick with Canon or change to Nikon?"

There's no wonder I can't believe I got it so wrong :shrug:
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So you just read the thread title and answered without reading the actual opening post?

It's no wonder you got it wrong :), there's some pretty misleading thread title's on the internet :lol:
 
Ivan S said:
So you just read the thread title and answered without reading the actual opening post?

It's no wonder you got it wrong :), there's some pretty misleading thread title's on the internet :lol:
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No, there was loads of talk of Canon in the post too. It seems the OP wasn't really focussed when asking the question.

Maybe he should start again with 'My mate wants to buy a Nikon, which one should he get?'

I suppose it's expecting too much though:D

I mean, it's not like I'm the only person who was confused by the issues, it seems the majority of respondents also discussed the merits of sticking with Canon:shrug:
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Seems like such an inconsequential thing to put you off a camera. ...
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supersammy said:
I've found lenses have more to do with auto focus speed than the camera. ...
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DemiLion said:
I don't think that a 5D would be very good for wildlife. At least not compared to more modern alternatives.
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StewartR said:
OK, for the avoidance of doubt, the question I'm addressing is this one: "Stick with Canon or change to Nikon?"...
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Flightphoto said:
Stick with Canon imho, cheaper lenses (and more of)
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LCPete said:
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For me it was Canon but nikon now does have a very good range of lenses also
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wuyanxu said:
Switching ecosystems is expensive if he has a lot of good lenses already, especially for wildlife...
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c22w1 said:
I wanted to stay with Canon because of the range, ...
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Pompeyfc81 said:
...Ive got friends who swear by nikon d4 and high end gear, Ive also got a mate who shoots with 50ds and out performs both :-)
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Hey ho...

It seems that you were either almost the only person who genuinely understood the OP, or you just fancied an argument with me? :shrug:
 
mr bill said:
Please this is not about what cards the camera takes can we stick to the subject/original question,forget about cards thank you, i'm sure we'd both swap cards if the camera was right, its not an issue
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Phil, he clearly states here it's not about the cards, but he is now being targeted about it, yet you argue again with him and point it out in an outlandish way, now is this how we welcome newish members here?

It's not an argument with you Phil, I am only stating facts and trying to help the OP, I find you being unhelpful and tbh down right rude to the OP in this thread and trying to cause issues that are not there, I refer to my quote above, he states to not turn this into a card issue, yet you start boldy pointing it out that is what he wrote.
 
Ivan S said:
Phil, he clearly states here it's not about the cards, but he is now being targeted about it, yet you argue again with him and point it out in an outlandish way, now is this how we welcome newish members here?

It's not an argument with you Phil, I am only stating facts and trying to help the OP, I find you being unhelpful and tbh down right rude to the OP in this thread and trying to cause issues that are not there, I refer to my quote above, he states to not turn this into a card issue, yet you start boldy pointing it out that is what he wrote.
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Ivan, if you have issues with the way another member posts, report the post so that moderators can decide if any action is to be taken. It's not for you to take other members to task. If you wish to help the OP by answering his question as you have interpreted it then please do so, leave the moderating of the forums to the moderators please.
 
fabs said:
Ivan, if you have issues with the way another member posts, report the post so that moderators can decide if any action is to be taken. It's not for you to take other members to task. If you wish to help the OP by answering his question as you have interpreted it then please do so, leave the moderating of the forums to the moderators please.
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I answered Phil because he is accusing me of arguing with him, I have reported his post all ready, but I am not going to be accused of arguing when I clearly have not.
 
Ivan S said:
I answered Phil because he is accusing me of arguing with him, I have reported his post all ready, but I am not going to be accused of arguing when I clearly have not.
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I hope you reported everyone else who answered the wrong question too. ;)
 
Reported his post for reading it the same way everybody else did! Hold on il just report myself and you can do it to :-)
 
Anyone for a game of cards...
 
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