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I processed some film over the weekend and the results are far grainier than I would expect.

Nikon FM2n Ilford Delta 100 26 by Raglansurf, on Flickr


Ilford Delta 100, processed in Rodinal 1:100 for an hour, agitated at the beginning then at halfway.

Ilford Stop, then Ilford Rapid Fixer for 10 minutes, washed for another 10 and a final rinse with Photoflo.

Now I like a bit of grain but this is far harsher than I would have expected.
 
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Definitely more grain than I'd expect from Delta 100. It's a nice grain though :)
 
-Oy- said:
Definitely more grain than I'd expect from Delta 100. It's a nice grain though :)
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I normally don't mind the grain but it just doesn't look like Delta grain to me, it's quite harsh and much bigger than I was expecting.
 
RaglanSurf said:
I normally don't mind the grain but it just doesn't look like Delta grain to me, it's quite harsh and much bigger than I was expecting.
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Ooerr Missus....:naughty:
 
I can't see the image any bigger than it appears here (clicking on it gets me to a "sign in or sign up" Yahoo page) so this is very tentative. Reticulation can look like grain when not excessive - any chance that this is the explanation?
 
Andysnap said:
Ooerr Missus....:naughty:
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If only the horses I bet on could be so reliable :LOL:

StephenM said:
I can't see the image any bigger than it appears here (clicking on it gets me to a "sign in or sign up" Yahoo page) so this is very tentative. Reticulation can look like grain when not excessive - any chance that this is the explanation?
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See if this works https://www.flickr.com/photos/raglansurf/15788015867/sizes/o/

I was wondering if it was reticulation, I'm just trying to work out if it is what I've done differently that would have caused it.
 
steveo_mcg said:
What's you heating set to? Maybe the heat from central heating is causing circulation within thank and defeating the object of standing.
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Dev'ing done in the kitchen, no actual heat source on in the room during development, ambient temperature approx 20 C, washing water variable from 18 -22C
 
i wouldnt have thought rodinal and standing it would be the best choice if you dont want grain .
 
donut said:
i wouldnt have thought rodinal and standing it would be the best choice if you dont want grain .
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It's not that I don't want grain, I quite like grain, some of my best friends come from a grainy background, it's just that there's more grain than I was expecting and more than I've had using the same combination before.
 
OK well I have not a clue why you have suddenly got so much grain....perhaps you returned home with too much from your visit to the f&c meet on the "Isle of Grain" in September :D:D

As you know I recently did semi stand deving with LC29 and I have to say that the grain is considerably less than with Rodinal ( not that there is any surprise there tbh) so perhaps an option is to try a different developer, this however doesn't offer an explanation as to why your usual deving mix has given an undesireable ( to you!) result.

The only other option is to stop being a tight a*** (like someone else I know :whistle::D) and dev conventionally instead of skimping with 3ml of developer at a time.:exit:

Btw, what is "Reticulation"?? and how does it affect negative film?? OK so I'm a bit dim but you lot already know that:p
 
At full size that grain not only looks excessive but also far too wild for delta100 developed in anything.
Nor does it look like reticulation as that accurs in the gelatine. Modern films are extremely difficult to reticulate.

Are you sure it is really delta 100 and the cassette not loaded with some thing else?
Rodinal, especially so diluted, would not add to the natural grain, which on delta 100 is about as tight as you get today.

I can see none of the edge effect, that I would expect to see from dilute stand development on a fine grain fim.
 
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Is the big white sign really that speckled? Because that doesn't look like grain so much as honking great holes in the emulsion.
 
Asha said:
Btw, what is "Reticulation"?? and how does it affect negative film?? OK so I'm a bit dim but you lot already know that:p
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A crazy paving effect in the emulsion of the film, caused by a sudden change of temperature. Modern films are less prone to it.

Like flare, which in excessive cases is obvious as bright spots etc. but is normally only revealed as a loss of contrast, reticulation is rarely seen as a full blown effect; but in small doses can look like grain.

I've only ever had one film suffer in this way in over 50 years of developing; I have a scan which I expect I could find somewhere to post if you'd like to see it.

Posted on OneDrive - here's the link.

I tried inserting it as an image and failed. One day I'll find out how to post pics...:(
 
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Thanks for taking time to explain that @StephenM

Quite interesting effect.......could work out quite good on some photos.
 
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