Speed limiters to be fitted on all new cars by 2022

Jelster said:
That will be the time I hang up my keys..... Even in the IAM they tell you to go over the speed limit to make an overtake if it is safe to do so, then pull in and reduce your speed.

All you need is somebody doing 30 in a 50 where you have few opportunities to overtake and you'll get a huge line of traffic. An example is the A350, Shaftesbury to Blandford. It's hilly, and twisty, most of it is either 40 or 50 limits, except through the villages, and I have often been sat behind that Honda Jazz doing no more than 35mph anywhere. Where it is safe to overtake, I can accelerate to 70, get past, and come back down to the limit. In fact I've done this before and 2 or 3 cars have followed, so it's not just me that finds these people frustrating...
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Same on the A396 between Exeter and Tiverton (and the A35). Even fewer safe passing places on the 396 (in a car).
 
Diving Pete said:
I did think its interesting the Volvo are going to limit theirs to 112mph..... - Was fairly sure that's still above the uk speed limit...
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What if you wanted to do a track day?
 
Jelster said:
That will be the time I hang up my keys..... Even in the IAM they tell you to go over the speed limit to make an overtake if it is safe to do so, then pull in and reduce your speed.

All you need is somebody doing 30 in a 50 where you have few opportunities to overtake and you'll get a huge line of traffic. An example is the A350, Shaftesbury to Blandford. It's hilly, and twisty, most of it is either 40 or 50 limits, except through the villages, and I have often been sat behind that Honda Jazz doing no more than 35mph anywhere. Where it is safe to overtake, I can accelerate to 70, get past, and come back down to the limit. In fact I've done this before and 2 or 3 cars have followed, so it's not just me that finds these people frustrating...
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You haven't read the article have you.
 
robj20 said:
No they don't. Got a few friends that tracked their T5s of all ages.
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I had a T5, never took it on a track day (company car) but it was quick....suffered from torque steer and ate front tyres :)
 
Mr Bump said:
maybe a lot will but my point is quite a few will follow it (me for one) now and as just said you only need a few people to bring all roads down to the correct speeds so it will essentially win.
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And how is that going to stop the idiots driving at 40mph on a 60mph road??
 
cambsno said:
And how is that going to stop the idiots driving at 40mph on a 60mph road??
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they do that now matey, what it might stop is people doing 70 in a 60
 
Nod said:
The fact that it can be switched off makes it as much point as a chocolate teapot. ...snip...
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For sure, but I wonder if that's just to make it more palatable? I wonder how long it will be until that option is removed?
 
Mr Bump said:
because it is the right thing to do, we have a big problem in society with anti social speeding.
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The most common and dangerous thing I find on the road is people simply pulling out in front of you regardless of whether or not it is safe to do so. The way I see it is that if they make me brake then they have made a stupid move. There will obviously be some exceptions.

After that it's people cutting corners and lanes. But I do think speeding can be a pretty big factor with regard to pedestrian safety. That and mobile phones.
 
Jelster said:
I don't need to.
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Your whole post was wrong though! Your can either switch the system off, or override it by pressing harder on the pedal. So a complete non issue.
 
robj20 said:
Your whole post was wrong though! Your can either switch the system off, or override it by pressing harder on the pedal. So a complete non issue.
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I realise that (I had read something about this elsewhere) but the point is that is the edge of a very slippery slope, and it won't be long after that things start to tighten up. Appropriate speed is not a big issue, poor hazard perception, mobile phones and drink/drugs are far more dangerous than appropriate speed.
 
gman said:
For sure, but I wonder if that's just to make it more palatable? I wonder how long it will be until that option is removed?
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Through a firmware upgrade at start of year 2027, where all cars overnight cannot disable speed limiter. :police:


The thing that gets on my nerve is when people cannot seem to maintain a constant speed. 40 road? They drive 30-45 to their heart's content (probably due to distraction). If I were to slowly overtake at speed limit when they were driving 35 but during overtake they realise it and speed up slightly, increasing my overtake time. The speed limiter would be quite dangerous.

Can we have enforced adaptive cruise control instead? That way if the road is clear ahead, people's car won't randomly change speed.
 
Jelster said:
Even in the IAM they tell you to go over the speed limit to make an overtake if it is safe to do so, then pull in and reduce your speed
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Indeed. One of the questions I was asked on my driving test was when is it legal to exceed the speed limit, the answer was when overtaking.
 
This will certainly help make electric self driving cars less unattractive.
 
wyx087 said:
Through a firmware upgrade at start of year 2027, where all cars overnight cannot disable speed limiter. :police:


The thing that gets on my nerve is when people cannot seem to maintain a constant speed. 40 road? They drive 30-45 to their heart's content (probably due to distraction). If I were to slowly overtake at speed limit when they were driving 35 but during overtake they realise it and speed up slightly, increasing my overtake time. The speed limiter would be quite dangerous.

Can we have enforced adaptive cruise control instead? That way if the road is clear ahead, people's car won't randomly change speed.
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Which wont happen for 15-20 years as many cars now still dont have this.
 
How about teaching people to drive properly in the first place ?
I imagine all of us could do with a refresher course every few years.

I'm not a fan of all this automation in cars as it seems to breed drivers who seem to think that they don't need to think.....
 
stevewestern said:
How about teaching people to drive properly in the first place ?
I imagine all of us could do with a refresher course every few years.
I'm not a fan of all this automation in cars as it seems to breed drivers who seem to think that they don't need to think.....
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I'm all for cars being totally automated - the risks are by an order of magnitude lower than a driver operated vehicle. We already have planes that can fly themselves, it will not be long - next 10 years.

I'm an ex London bus driver and have driven over 1m miles, 300k on a motorcycle.
 
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I use my Cruise control to limit speed. It is not that I plan to speed but when you are driving along a wide low density traffic road in a city (say 40mph limit) it is easy for your speed to drift higher than this but the cruise control ensures that I do not. In my local area there are several spots where radar traps are often set up so useful to ensure I drive through these areas at the correct speed. I know I am not the only person doing this as I am aware of several friends who regularly use their cruise control in this way. It probably means that I am driving under cruise control more than half the time. To determine the current speed limit, I rely on signs locally but when outside my own area, I will usually be using my Satnav which is usually correct as it is regularly updated.

Dave
 
Dave Canon said:
I use my Cruise control to limit speed. It is not that I plan to speed but when you are driving along a wide low density traffic road in a city (say 40mph limit) it is easy for your speed to drift higher than this but the cruise control ensures that I do not. In my local area there are several spots where radar traps are often set up so useful to ensure I drive through these areas at the correct speed. I know I am not the only person doing this as I am aware of several friends who regularly use their cruise control in this way. It probably means that I am driving under cruise control more than half the time. To determine the current speed limit, I rely on signs locally but when outside my own area, I will usually be using my Satnav which is usually correct as it is regularly updated.

Dave
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When I was a car driver I was a huge fan of cruise control for those reasons. It stops you speeding and makes for a more relaxing drive.
Now I’ve moved to two wheels I still use it for the same reasons when I can.
 
Dave Canon said:
I use my Cruise control to limit speed. It is not that I plan to speed but when you are driving along a wide low density traffic road in a city (say 40mph limit) it is easy for your speed to drift higher than this but the cruise control ensures that I do not. In my local area there are several spots where radar traps are often set up so useful to ensure I drive through these areas at the correct speed. I know I am not the only person doing this as I am aware of several friends who regularly use their cruise control in this way. It probably means that I am driving under cruise control more than half the time. To determine the current speed limit, I rely on signs locally but when outside my own area, I will usually be using my Satnav which is usually correct as it is regularly updated.

Dave
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Exactly same. CC vast majority of the time. Blows through speed cameras knowing I'm at the speed limit while the car next to me in the overtaking lane brakes for speed camera.

Actually, if this new thing can get rid of stupid idiots slowing down for speed camera, I'm all for it!
 
stevewestern said:
How about teaching people to drive properly in the first place ?
I imagine all of us could do with a refresher course every few years.

I'm not a fan of all this automation in cars as it seems to breed drivers who seem to think that they don't need to think.....
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Actually, I think any "refresher" course should take in all the modern tools & automation. I passed my test in 1979, in a 1971 Hillman Avenger; the auto industry has come on leaps & bounds since then. Being a bit of a petrol head and a gadget freak, I have kept up to date with most things, but my wife has no idea how to use the cruise control in my car, how to put the auto into manual (handy in the snow) or to change the height of the HUD...
 
Dave Canon said:
I use my Cruise control to limit speed. It is not that I plan to speed but when you are driving along a wide low density traffic road in a city (say 40mph limit) it is easy for your speed to drift higher than this but the cruise control ensures that I do not. In my local area there are several spots where radar traps are often set up so useful to ensure I drive through these areas at the correct speed. I know I am not the only person doing this as I am aware of several friends who regularly use their cruise control in this way. It probably means that I am driving under cruise control more than half the time. To determine the current speed limit, I rely on signs locally but when outside my own area, I will usually be using my Satnav which is usually correct as it is regularly updated.

Dave
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Is that setting cruise control so the car tries to travel at the set speed all the time or using the CC software etc. as a limiter to keep you below the set speed? I dislike CC as the former since it keeps the car at the set speed rather than allowing the driver to keep full control over their speed up to a set limit (when using the CC as a limiter).
 
Due to the erratic way many people seem to drive, I find cruise control can be more hassle sometimes unless the road is dead. Adaptive on the other hand is a different story, although is it Lexus where it tracks the car in front, including when it overtakes onto the other side of the road lol
 
Nod said:
One of the proposed systems will rely on reading road signs. That's fine IF all speed limit signs are visible and any that don't apply don't get read. There are a fair few down here where the main road is a 40 limit but side roads that peel off straight ahead while the main road bends one way or the other and the side road is a national speed limit. Lob in people who think the local limit should be lower and "adjust" the signs (as well as those who add a 1 before the 30/40/50) too.

FTR, I use the cruise control in my car in reverse - as a limiter and its ultimate top speed is also limited (not turnable off.)
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My 10 year old Focus already reads the speed limit signs, works fairly well tbh. But like you say, they're not always visible!
 
gman said:
After that it's people cutting corners and lanes. But I do think speeding can be a pretty big factor with regard to pedestrian safety. That and mobile phones.
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Is that the driver with mobile phones or the pedestrian? I had a teenage 'zombie' step out in front of me, she was so engrossed she didn't look up.......fortunately I had anticipated her move so was able to stop in plenty of time. When she did look up I was given a sheepish grin and a wave..... :rolleyes:
 
Has nobody seen the congestion caused on motorways when a HGV doing 56 mph decides to overtake one doing 53? This idea will cause huge problems as everyone will be travelling at virtually the same speed, but will still try to overtake another car doing two or three mph less.
 
Earley Man said:
Has nobody seen the congestion caused on motorways when a HGV doing 56 mph decides to overtake one doing 53? This idea will cause huge problems as everyone will be travelling at virtually the same speed, but will still try to overtake another car doing two or three mph less.
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You need to read the article. It won’t be like that.
 
broc said:
Is that the driver with mobile phones or the pedestrian? I had a teenage 'zombie' step out in front of me, she was so engrossed she didn't look up.......fortunately I had anticipated her move so was able to stop in plenty of time. When she did look up I was given a sheepish grin and a wave..... :rolleyes:
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Try an EV in town! Having said that, I have a fairly loud bike and get phone zombies step out in front of that too...
 
broc said:
Is that the driver with mobile phones or the pedestrian? I had a teenage 'zombie' step out in front of me, she was so engrossed she didn't look up.......fortunately I had anticipated her move so was able to stop in plenty of time. When she did look up I was given a sheepish grin and a wave..... :rolleyes:
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Aye I'm seeing more of that these days as well. Although a pedestrian on a mobile is predominantly a danger to themselves, whereas a driver on a mobile... :eek:
 
robj20 said:
What if you wanted to do a track day?
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I’ll ask the local circuit to put up 150 signs, that should be fast enough, although they need to retrofit a limiter to the I use.
 
Marc said:
Indeed. One of the questions I was asked on my driving test was when is it legal to exceed the speed limit, the answer was when overtaking.
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Wait, WHAT?

Since the third lane is only for overtaking, this is a game changer....
 
Marc said:
Indeed. One of the questions I was asked on my driving test was when is it legal to exceed the speed limit, the answer was when overtaking.
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Pretty sure that it's still not legal to exceed the limit, even when overtaking - at least that's what I was told during a relatively recent (compared to either of our driving tests!) BikeSafe course (run and observed by plod). They said that they wouldn't pull someone who briefly went over the limit in order to overtake safely but it was still technically an offence.
 
Nod said:
Pretty sure that it's still not legal to exceed the limit, even when overtaking - at least that's what I was told during a relatively recent (compared to either of our driving tests!) BikeSafe course (run and observed by plod). They said that they wouldn't pull someone who briefly went over the limit in order to overtake safely but it was still technically an offence.
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That was what he told me but that was 28 years ago.
 
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