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Im feeling a bit lost at the minute in the photography world. Ive been doing this since 1998 as a hobby and seem to have become a Jack of all trades and master of none. I can turn my hand to most areas and do a decent/good job but Im thinking as an amateur is it worth starting to specialize in certain areas.
I mean if you shoot street are you gonna really get better at it or just have more shots from trips out by specializing. I don't know anymore.
So my question is as an amateur do you think its better to specialize or just shoot whichever opportunities arise.
 
As an amateur you have the advantage of not having to produce images for other people so just shoot for yourself, whatever gives you pleasure.
 
For myself as a hobbyst it is;
#1 Have or develop the skills to shoot anything I am intersted in.
#2 To be able to shoot for other people if requested (mostly community organisations like choirs etc).
#3 I do "specialise" in motor sport photography.
#4 Whilst shooting whichever oportunities arise (always have the camera with me) I get better shots by making those oportunites happen (like being on a beach an hour before dawn etc)
 
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I think it might be I need a new challenge. Ive reached a point where I feel kind of stale and not moving forward. I have folders full of landscape shots, portraits, street, animals, macro etc. and its started to get boring just making new images to join the rest.
Does nobody else feel that?
 
I got to that point a while ago, and at the time it caused me to throw myself 100% into participating in the POTY competition on here - I found the discipline and challenge of not only having to basically shoot to a theme, defined by someone else rather than just something I'd picked because I knew I could do that sort of thing, combined with the challenge of trying to produce a potentially winning image every month stopped me charging around just to get shots for the sake of it, and caused me to actually THINK about every single press of the shutter.

For example, one particular shot I took - a still life, I took a grand total of 3 frames for over the space of 1 month. Not a lot of work you may think. BUT - I spent 3 days building the table for the shot, and getting the aging/patina of the timber correct. I spent nearly an entire week making the backdrop, which was a Faux Wall - actually a half sheet of plasterboard, which had something like 5 different attempts at producing a "Stucco Rustico" effect on it. In between this, I was scouring second hand bookshops for tatty old tomes, trawling ebay for candlesticks, globes, bone dice, hourglasses, Glass Rummers, pince-nez and churchwarden pipes...

That's not to mention the hours it took training Bert the Bluebottle to land in the correct spot on command :lol:

My point is, without the challenge of the POTY, I'd probably never have gone too far outside of shooting landscapes (and not particularly great ones at that...)

I'm not saying that the POTY is the answer, what I'm saying is that maybe you just need something to make you push harder to stop just taking pictures, and start MAKING pictures...
 
That's a good way of putting it, thank you. Stop taking pictures and start making pictures, I like that :) So far my shots have never really been pre-planned even when working on a theme. I shoot what I find that suits the concept Im aiming at and go from there.
Maybe since I enjoy shooting people on the street and doing street portraits I should move over into a set up with a model. Instead of the images being random start taking control and shooting by design.
Thanks Mark that's given me a lot to think about and possibly a new direction for my work. Much appreciated.
 
I think one of they joys of being an amateur photographer is the joy of being able to try a little bit of what ever takes your fancy, personally speaking my passion for photography falls in the darkness of night I love virtually all aspects of night time photography be that light painting, star trails, wire wool and all other cool things that you can get up to after dark :D that said while I now pursue that genre professionally that will not stop me giving other aspects of photography a good go :thumbs:
 
That's cool if you've found what you love. For me 15 years of just shooting this and that has really lost its appeal. I know because I don't sell or get my images published (I never tried to) Im considered an amateur but Im at the stage where I need more, regardless of making money or not from the work.
I know a professional is selling a product so it makes more sense to specialize and refine what it is your selling so the clients know what to expect. To me though I don't see why because I have the freedom to shoot anything that's what I should do. I hate the word amateur anyway because it implies you don't know what your doing lol and Ive seen many pros producing work that doesn't come close to so called amateurs.
Anyway Im going off track and thinking out loud (never a good thing). Mark was right on the money for me. I need to bring more creativity into my work instead of it being so random. I need to design and build my images from the floor up with my own vision.
 
That's cool if you've found what you love. For me 15 years of just shooting this and that has really lost its appeal. I know because I don't sell or get my images published (I never tried to) Im considered an amateur but Im at the stage where I need more, regardless of making money or not from the work.
I know a professional is selling a product so it makes more sense to specialize and refine what it is your selling so the clients know what to expect. To me though I don't see why because I have the freedom to shoot anything that's what I should do. I hate the word amateur anyway because it implies you don't know what your doing lol and Ive seen many pros producing work that doesn't come close to so called amateurs.
Anyway Im going off track and thinking out loud (never a good thing). Mark was right on the money for me. I need to bring more creativity into my work instead of it being so random. I need to design and build my images from the floor up with my own vision.

"Amateur" and "Professional" are often thought to define the level of skills, like you said, 'amateur' implies you don't know what you are doing. But then how would you define "Semi-professional"? I don't view those as level of skills. They are supposed to define the status of pleasure or business. 'Amateur' means you do something for a hobby and don't want to be paid, don't forget that even someone who could be really so good at photography could still chose to take photos just for pleasure and not being paid. 'Professional' means you get paid for doing something. Just because you are an amateur, it do not mean to imply you are rubbish, believe in yourself. Beside, anyone can set up a business, get business cards printed, say "I charge £xx per-whatever" and yet do a sloppy work.

But being professional do not mean you are supposed to be specialist in one thing, being professional means you get paid. Of course, sometimes you would chose to specialist in one subject, becuase doing the same subject over and over again and again would mean you get more better at it. For example, if you do still-life, the first time you try it, you may take ages to set up the camera and lightning, you may also get the lightning wrong, but after a long time, you start to get used to it, you could set up the flashes blindfold, and you have learnt from your mistakes and improve your skills. But remember, being a specialist don't mean you are stuck with one subject and can't do another. Say for example, you may be still-life photographer, and on your way to work at the studio, you find an armed robbery at a bank ongoing, do you don't take photo on grounds of "Nah! Not my style." or "Nah! My camera is suited to life-stills." or anthing like that? So even if you chose to become a specialist in one subject, you can still do general subject.

Correct me if I am wrong, don't football players sometimes train as a goalkeeper because sometimes when the goalkeepers are injuried, one of the football players have to stand-in as a goalkeeper? Do he say "Nah! I'm central forwards! I can't be a goalkeeper!" What about a fighter pilot? I suppose if he's off-duty and is on a civilian 747, on holiday, and both 747 pilots dies, do you being the only passenger with flight experience, refuse to take over on grounds of "I'm a single engine fighter pilot, I don't know how to fly a four engine jumbo jet!"?

You can be specialist in one subject yet do general photos. You could specalist in one subject (say for example fashion or Formula One), doing the same subject over and over again and again, improving your skills, and sell your work to the related market (say Woman's Weekly magazines or BBC Sports) yet when you're not working, you can still do general subjects, like landscape or whatever just to relax.
 
I get what your saying and I agree with you. Im not saying Id never shoot anything again other than one certain area because I know I will. For example my 11 year old daughter wants to go out and do street photography tomorrow and Im sure we will enjoy the day together shooting. Its more Ive lost the enjoyment I used to have for these different subjects and need to find a new challenge and direction to go in.
I used to find photographing people very hard and had no confidence. So I did street until I could happily photograph anyone. Now I go over and start talking to strangers take their portrait or just do random close up candid's and its nothing to me. What Mark said though hit home, maybe its the randomness that's the real issue and my lack of controlling the shot what bothers me. Since I enjoy meeting and shooting different people maybe working with models should be the direction to head.
 
I try a bit of everything, at least once. I don't have an 'area' as such. If someone wants to pay me to do some portraits or shoot a gig, I'm there. I enjoy shooting most styles - but ... atm I'm doing a product shoot for a web site, and it's no fun :/ it really is tedious. I don't feel like Ihave any say,it's all on white roll backing and it's more technical than I like things to be [having to keep the WB, lighting, reflections, tone etc, exact through frames, and watching for nasty unwanted shadows ... it's more tiring than I thought it would be too. Only ever did a few randoms like this in the past, now I'm doing 200+ products from all angles and my eyes want to bleed!

In my own time, I'll shoot anything going and try my best, once you enjoy it ...

When it comes to getting paid though, prepare to throw yourself at areas you may not enjoy ... but can still learn from.
 
I'm a generalist, but specialise in taking crap photos of everything
 
As someone who has a day job and family, photography is a hobby for me. To that end, I have a limited amount of time to indulge in it, and so choose to specialise in one or two areas photographing things that I'm really interested in. I've shot a wide variety of stuff over the years, and although the results weren't that bad, I've realised that I've no interest in weddings, macro, still life, portraits, and a whole host of other things, so I choose not to specialise in those, instead choosing to focus on the things I am interested in. Consequently, I've become quite good at a limited number of things and I'm more than happy with that.
 
As someone who has a day job and family, photography is a hobby for me. To that end, I have a limited amount of time to indulge in it, and so choose to specialise in one or two areas photographing things that I'm really interested in. I've shot a wide variety of stuff over the years, and although the results weren't that bad, I've realised that I've no interest in weddings, macro, still life, portraits, and a whole host of other things, so I choose not to specialise in those, instead choosing to focus on the things I am interested in. Consequently, I've become quite good at a limited number of things and I'm more than happy with that.

That sounds very similar to me. I don't get many chances to go places and shoot and have kids and other family commitments that take up most my time, not to mention lack of money. Just doing this or that to an ok standard feels like a waste of my time. Im probably going to choose 2 areas to focus my work on and let the other stuff fall off into the background. I always carry my camera so I will still shoot in other areas by chance but when I have time free I'll plan to build on what appeals to me more.
 
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I'm not saying that the POTY is the answer, what I'm saying is that maybe you just need something to make you push harder to stop just taking pictures, and start MAKING pictures...


Wholeheartedly agree, I'm pushing myself to take more people pics because I hate taking them! :thumbs:
 
You see vans going round with general builder painting tiling joinery brickwork etc, I am a great believer in you can only be really good at something you do for a living.
These general builders will be good at all the jobs but not as good as someone who specialises in that one area.

Same with photography, a guy who takes portrates will and should be better at his applied area than a guy that does motorsport or football for a living trying to use a set of lights and capture his wife and kids, yes they will be good but not as good as the studio guy.
 
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