Sometimes I wish I ignored the news....

[Hacker]

....particularly when I read stories like this:

Police are continuing to question two boys after an attack near Doncaster that left two other boys in hospital.

A nine-year-old was found injured in the Brick Ponds area of Edlington on Saturday and a boy aged 11 was then found in a ravine with head injuries.

South Yorkshire Police are expected to ask for more time to question the two arrested boys, aged 10 and 11.

Following the attack, the 11-year-old victim was airlifted to Sheffield Children's Hospital where his condition was described as critical but stable in intensive care.

Local residents told BBC News they believed the two boys had been hit with a brick, slashed with a knife and burned with cigarettes.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/7984963.stm

Absolutely shocking.

 

[Marc]

Horrific, I can't think of anything else to say. :shake:

 

[u8myufo]

Yeh WTF is it coming to? Are there any answers to all this kind of stuff?
Its going to be another case of where to lay the blame again. :shrug::shrug::shrug:

 

[Myky D]

It's essentially due to over-population. You see similar behaviour in chimpanzees when you have too many of them in one area.

We need a blummin good war or a disease to wipe out about 2/3 of the race.

 

[andy_fozzy]

It's essentially due to over-population. You see similar behaviour in chimpanzees when you have too many of them in one area.

We need a blummin good war or a disease to wipe out about 2/3 of the race.

 

[Myky D]

There's about 10bn of us.

1/10 of us (ie - the West) are consuming 9/10 of the world's resources.

Luckily for us; we're on the side doing that consuming.

We're living in smaller and smaller spaces as the population grows, but our animal instincts are still relatively intact - hence seemingly mindless violence like this. In June/July last year the global population crossed the threshold of being predominantly agrarian-based to urban-based. This has been the case in Britain for years.

We live on top of each other, having to put up with each other's stink and habits, waste and discourse. This is bound to happen.

As I said - you see the same behaviour in chimps.

 

[Boynielaad]

I get so angry when something like this happens.

Why are children trying to (and often succeeding in) kill each other?

Society has just changed too much for the worse.

There are too many people who just do not care and are prepared to do anything they like because they are used to getting away with it - either because others are afraid of confronting them or not interested in doing the right thing and reporting them. Rather like another thread on here discussing a man stealing fuel from his employer.

I'd like to bet the two that are suspects in this have some previous.

Maybe we should just send them on a nice holiday somewhere - they'll be deprived, poor dears.

 

[Matt Sayle]

That would be shocking if it was two adults, let alone two young boys. Disgusting.

 

[u8myufo]

It's essentially due to over-population. You see similar behaviour in chimpanzees when you have too many of them in one area.

We need a blummin good war or a disease to wipe out about 2/3 of the race.

The chart below shows past world population data back to the year one and future world population projections through the year 2050.

World Population Growth
Year Population
1 200 million
1000 275 million
1500 450 million
1650 500 million
1750 700 million
1804 1 billion
1850 1.2 billion
1900 1.6 billion
1927 2 billion
1950 2.55 billion
1955 2.8 billion
1960 3 billion
1965 3.3 billion
1970 3.7 billion
1975 4 billion
1980 4.5 billion
1985 4.85 billion
1990 5.3 billion
1995 5.7 billion
1999 6 billion
2006 6.5 billion
2010 6.8 billion
2012 7 billion
2020 7.6 billion
2030 8.2 billion
2040 8.8 billion
2050 9.2 billion

And who exactly should we go to war with? And for what reasons? Lets all progress backwards shall we. This planet is more than capable of substaining human life for many years to come, its how it is managed that is the problem, and untill that is sorted you are always going to have issues like this rear its ugly head from time to time.

 

[Myky D]

The chart below shows past world population data back to the year one and future world population projections through the year 2050.

World Population Growth
Year Population
1 200 million
1000 275 million
1500 450 million
1650 500 million
1750 700 million
1804 1 billion
1850 1.2 billion
1900 1.6 billion
1927 2 billion
1950 2.55 billion
1955 2.8 billion
1960 3 billion
1965 3.3 billion
1970 3.7 billion
1975 4 billion
1980 4.5 billion
1985 4.85 billion
1990 5.3 billion
1995 5.7 billion
1999 6 billion
2006 6.5 billion
2010 6.8 billion
2012 7 billion
2020 7.6 billion
2030 8.2 billion
2040 8.8 billion
2050 9.2 billion

And who exactly should we go to war with? And for what reasons? Lets all progress backwards shall we. This planet is more than capable of substaining human life for many years to come, its how it is managed that is the problem, and untill that is sorted you are always going to have issues like this rear its ugly head from time to time.

Alright - sorry - I was projecting. I remember it being 6bn and back in the 90s and made an assumption - apologies.

We still need a massive human cull. We are way too arrogant, rate ourselves way too highly. We are destroying the planet and need a blummin big slap.

We should start with the breeding - compulsory reversible sterilization of every new-born, reversed only once a parenting test has been taken when they come of age, at their request.

As for war - we'll go to war soon enough with each other for resources - oil (as we are doing already), water, and land.

Watch. It's going to be great.

 

[u8myufo]

arrogant, rate ourselves way too highly. We are destroying the planet

With that I agree. What I am interested in is (roughly)when this war is going to take place? and what you base your statement on.

I understand why the OP started the thread and that is really the issue here. And unfortunately things like that opens up a can of worms when discussing such issues. As for your view "We should start with the breeding - compulsory reversible sterilization of every new-born"

You havn`t got blue eyes and blond hair by any chance? Hitlar would have loved you
As for Oil, there is as much still in the ground as whats been drilled out of it,Ok its a case of who owns it. But as I said this planet is more than capable of substaining us for a long time to come.

 

[Jimmy_Lemon]

Shocking story, makes you wonder just why what was going on in those kids heads at the time.

oh and Myky D - you top yourself first, we will all follow, we promise.

 

[jolsterj]

Horrific story.

Makes you wonder what sort of parents these kids had, but I can hazzard a good guess.

Hope the two boys make a full recoery but I doubt their little minds will be right for quite some time.

 

[Myky D]

With that I agree. What I am interested in is (roughly)when this war is going to take place? and what you base your statement on.

I understand why the OP started the thread and that is really the issue here. And unfortunately things like that opens up a can of worms when discussing such issues. As for your view "We should start with the breeding - compulsory reversible sterilization of every new-born"

You havn`t got blue eyes and blond hair by any chance? Hitlar would have loved you
As for Oil, there is as much still in the ground as whats been drilled out of it,Ok its a case of who owns it. But as I said this planet is more than capable of substaining us for a long time to come.

What makes you say I'd be blue-eyed and blond haired? Oh I see - yes - controlling population growth = Nazi eugenics. Just as listening to Simon & Garfunkel makes one a communist.

Oil is finite and will run out. Therefore there will be further and more intense power struggles over the flow-control.

Land - as the seas rise - will become of premium value.

But still - let's keep breeding. I'm sure we'll find something. And humanity gives us so much to believe in.

 

[Myky D]

Shocking story, makes you wonder just why what was going on in those kids heads at the time.

oh and Myky D - you top yourself first, we will all follow, we promise.

I'm sorry - was that some sort of attempt at addressing my point, or just personal insult in lieu of one?

 

[Borats Baby]

I do ignore the news !

I dont read papers.

I havnt really got a TV.

Ignorance is bliss.

 

[CraigDouglas]

Stuff like this has happened for years, centuries even. We just never heard about them as much before but now communications is global instantly, we hear about them.

Ignorance is bliss

1/10 of us (ie - the West) are consuming 9/10 of the world's resources.

We can all make up statistics if we want to, but that gets us nowhere

 

[Galaxy66]

The producers of violent and horrific video games have a lot to answer for in my opinion!!!

 

[Jimmy_Lemon]

The producers of violent and horrific video games have a lot to answer for in my opinion!!!

The parents who allow children to play "horrific" games are more to blame in my opinion.

 

[u8myufo]

What makes you say I'd be blue-eyed and blond haired? Oh I see - yes - controlling population growth = Nazi eugenics. Just as listening to Simon & Garfunkel makes one a communist.

Oil is finite and will run out.
http://economics.about.com/cs/macroeconomics/a/run_out_of_oil.htm

Land - as the seas rise - will become of premium value.
They wanna make their mind up as to what is happening with this planet

http://www.nasaimages.org/luna/servlet/detail/nasaNAS~10~10~79405~185350:Retreating-Aral-Sea-Coastlines

But still - let's keep breeding. I'm sure we'll find something. And humanity gives us so much to believe in.

Im all for breeding

 

[Myky D]

It's not the video games, it's the kids.

Millions of kids all over the world manage to play the violent and horrific video games without needing to kill anyone, every day.

That's like saying listening to heavy metal makes them kill nuns. NO! The kids are mad already! Anything would have done as justification!

Remember Mark Chapman? Catcher In The Rye.

I've seen a Clockwork Orange, I've played Manhunter, I've listened to Elvis Presley, and only rarely have I been possessed by Satan and gone on killing sprees in nunneries.

 

[Jimmy_Lemon]

I'm sorry - was that some sort of attempt at addressing my point, or just personal insult in lieu of one?

nope it was a poor attempt at humour in a thread that didn't need any

 

[Galaxy66]

The parents who allow children to play "horrific" games are more to blame in my opinion.

Well partly to blame I would say Jimmy, we all know that the kids will get hold of these games irrespective of of any efforts by parents to prevent them playing them.

If they were not available in the first place there would be no blame attached to either parents or the producers.

Sadly I think we have slid too far down the slippery slope to call a halt to all this use of violence, sex and bad language which is so "in your face" now that it is accepted as the norm by youngsters.

 

[Myky D]

Im all for breeding

Absolutely. Its an inalienable right, innit? And since you get a free house with one too, quite an attractive one.

 

[Myky D]

nope it was a poor attempt at humour in a thread that didn't need any

Sorry - I'm a bit prickly on that sort of reaction, as it tends to rear its head whenever discussing the subject.

 

[Kev M]

If they were not available in the first place there would be no blame attached to either parents or the producers.

Too right, lets ban alcohol while we're at it too.

 

[Hacker]

How can a news story about two kids being maimed and tortured by juvenile thugs be likened to overcrowding, natural resources, war, sterilisation, culling etc etc etc? This down to poor and absent parenting - nothing more, nothing less.

There ain't half some drivel spouted on here sometimes. :shake:

 

[Myky D]

How can a news story about two kids being maimed and tortured by juvenile thugs be likened to overcrowding, natural resources, war, sterilisation, culling etc etc etc? This down to poor and absent parenting - nothing more, nothing less.

There ain't half some drivel spouted on here sometimes. :shake:

I didn't liken it. I said it was a result of overcrowding.

It's a conversation - it spits, sparks and bifurcates in all sorts of wonderful ways.

 

[Cobra]

Perfectly true the "animal kingdom" does "self regulate" to stop over crowding,
Rats are a classic example, pregnant does (Rabbits) have the ability to absorb their young
if conditions are "not ideal" ( climatic, over population etc)
and yes we are animals, mammals to be precise, but should we start thinning out the
human race?
A certain little insecure guy with a 'tash tried that awhile ago and look
how popular he became!

Back to the OP bloody disgusting Colin!
And I agree its parental control ( or lack of) thats at fault !

 

[Myky D]

Perfectly true the "animal kingdom" should we start thinning out the
human race?
A certain little insecure guy with a 'tash tried that awhile ago and look
how popular he became!

Admittedly he did it by race, under the impression there was a master race, which is blatently wrong.

 

[it's alive]

It's despicable.

It absolutely is not the result of overcrowding. There are far more overcrowded places in the world where nothing like this takes place.

I agree that it's the result of a lack of application by the parents. Some parents just do not put enough work into bringing up their children.

 

[Myky D]

Oh I think you'll find it does - it just doesn't get reported over here.

Down here in Mordor, for example, the fashion amongst the youngsters these days is for shooting each other over crack cocaine deals.

 

[u8myufo]

It's not the video games, it's the kids.

Millions of kids all over the world manage to play the violent and horrific video games without needing to kill anyone, every day.

That's like saying listening to heavy metal makes them kill nuns. NO! The kids are mad already! Anything would have done as justification!

Remember Mark Chapman? Catcher In The Rye.

I've seen a Clockwork Orange, I've played Manhunter, I've listened to Elvis Presley, and only rarely have I been possessed by Satan and gone on killing sprees in nunneries.

I watched a lot of Bill and Ben when I was younger, does that? Oops mybe that explains it.

No!! Seriously, a short story here. When I met my second wife she had two sons, the youngest who was about nine was unable to concentrate or sit still and would quite often get quite worked up to the extent that if he was playing a non violent game and became stuck by not solving any puzzles within the game, he would throw down the game pad or start stomping about.
That was easy to deal with, I just removed the console each time, and if it happened again it was taken away for a longer period. So its not a case of playing a violent game. Ok his behaviour was still bothering me as such, my fiance at the time would always say " Oh its just him, he has been like that for a long time" I eventually got her to agree to get him checked out as such, thinking it might be diet or E numbers. After one visit to a child counciling place it turned out that if he had one wish, it would be that his mum and dad got back together again.

At 7 years of age when his parents split up he did not know how to cope with that situation. After a lot of talking and explaining he came to deal with the situation. When I moved in and was living with them it was now a case of him understanding my morals and discipline, not with an iron rod, but kids have to be taught these things. dont get me wrong he was always kind and polite, his mother taught him that, but I wonder if that frustration within him was ignored and left to stew would his personality have changed for the worse? That I will never know. So yes the parents do have a responsibility.
And myself, I live with a very mature 16yr old lad who I consider one of my own.

 

[it's alive]

Oh I think you'll find it does - it just doesn't get reported over here.

Reference?

 

[Myky D]

Reference?

I live in London. It's more overcrowded than Doncaster. The kids shoot each other here over crack deals. It happens on such a reglier basis no one really bothers to report it any more.

 

[Myky D]

I watched a lot of Bill and Ben when I was younger, does that? Oops mybe that explains it.

No!! Seriously, a short story here. When I met my second wife she had two sons, the youngest who was about nine was unable to concentrate or sit still and would quite often get quite worked up to the extent that if he was playing a non violent game and became stuck by not solving any puzzles within the game, he would throw down the game pad or start stomping about.
That was easy to deal with, I just removed the console each time, and if it happened again it was taken away for a longer period. So its not a case of playing a violent game. Ok his behaviour was still bothering me as such, my fiance at the time would always say " Oh its just him, he has been like that for a long time" I eventually got her to agree to get him checked out as such, thinking it might be diet or E numbers. After one visit to a child counciling place it turned out that if he had one wish, it would be that his mum and dad got back together again.

At 7 years of age when his parents split up he did not know how to cope with that situation. After a lot of talking and explaining he came to deal with the situation. When I moved in and was living with them it was now a case of him understanding my morals and discipline, not with an iron rod, but kids have to be taught these things. dont get me wrong he was always kind and polite, his mother taught him that, but I wonder if that frustration within him was ignored and left to stew would his personality have changed for the worse? That I will never know. So yes the parents do have a responsibility.
And myself, I live with a very mature 16yr old lad who I consider one of my own.

Yeah. My mum and dad split up when I was six, and I've hardly ever killed anyone. My mate's mum died when he was 10 and his father's a raging alcofrolic. My mate is one of the most well-adjusted people you'll meet.

If a kid is violent, it's because of various reasons - parenting being one of them, and also - something that many people - particularly parents - find hard to accept is - because the kids genuinely are, in their own way, due to no one's fault, due to only their own unique personalities - little schytts.

People find this hard to accept because it's an ugly fact, and so they seek to blame: the parents, video games, videos, music, art, society ANYONE, ANYTHING other than the fact that maybe - just maybe - that the kid is a wrong 'un all of his own.

 

[u8myufo]

Yeah. My mum and dad split up when I was six, and I've hardly ever killed anyone. My mate's mum died when he was 10 and his father's a raging alcofrolic. My mate is one of the most well-adjusted people you'll meet.

If a kid is violent, it's because of various reasons - parenting being one of them, and also - something that many people - particularly parents - find hard to accept is - because the kids genuinely are, in their own way, due to no one's fault, due to only their own unique personalities - little schytts.

People find this hard to accept because it's an ugly fact, and so they seek to blame: the parents, video games, videos, music, art, society ANYONE, ANYTHING other than the fact that maybe - just maybe - that the kid is a wrong 'un all of his own.

Thats true enough, like you say its sometime more than one thing. The brain is a complex thing. Animals for no reason can just turn. Lets just hope the kids recover eh?

 

[Toothie]

It's essentially due to over-population. You see similar behaviour in chimpanzees when you have too many of them in one area.

We need a blummin good war or a disease to wipe out about 2/3 of the race.

not sure about messing with newborns but i do agree with this.

 

[Merovingian]

Shocking story, makes you wonder just why what was going on in those kids heads

All the cr@p pumped in by the media, video games, peers and little attempt of parental control.

Nothing to do with overpopulation either imo. You don't hear of this sort of thing in China for instance.

 

[u8myufo]

not sure about messing with newborns but i do agree with this.

Care to enlighten us on which 2/3 of the population you would like to see eradicated? A few members of your friends and family maybe? Ah! war "what is it good for" as the song goes. What kind of war should we have? A press of the button job or one where people are left mamed? Better still why dont you sign up and do your bit?