So What Do You Think These UFOs Are?

I've been thinking about the secret craft scenario and I do think that's one answer for many modern sightings. Decades ago when I dealt with all three armed services as a contractor (computers) one guy told me about a triangular craft he'd seen over the north sea being escorted by Harriers. I'm sure he didn't know I was interested as I would never talk about anything like that wit customers and I forget how it came up, maybe something on the radio or TV at the time. I can't see Harriers arresting aliens and taking them back to base, I suppose that's possible but it's probably more likely they were escorting something belonging to the UK or at a pinch one of our allies, USA maybe?
 
Peter10d said:
That obviuosly explains your continual research into the subject. Assuming you have spent decades of research, have you formulated a strong opinion on what is going on?
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Deep sigh...

UFO's is just one interest but no, I haven't spent decades researching the subject, I just watch, read and listen as the opportunity arises.

What I think is all of the above, pelicans, the moon reflected off cabbages, venus, weather balloons, clouds, natural phenomena as yet unexplained, secret stuff and all the rest, they all have their place but they don't answer every question. I don't think that there is one explanation that fits all every time There is certainly more film than fuzzy video but if it's genuine or not, how can anyone like us know? There are bound to be misidentifications and deliberate fakes but if just one ufo/alien event is genuine it's a momentous moment that we may not even accept if our minds are closed to the possibility of it ever happening. If they do exist why wouldn't they just land on the White House lawn? Who knows?

I'm also interested in consciousness as I had night terrors as a kid and I remember some to this day. I therefore do know that an experience can appear to be very real to me and not to others but altered states don't account for group sightings as easily unless there's something else going on to account for those shared experiences and although that maybe isn't impossible it's also an interesting possibility.
 
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I've seen a UFO. In the early 1980s I was in High Wycombe when one night an amazingly bright light appeared in the sky and rose silently into the air. I was, as the old saying has it, taken aback. Those why know the area have already worked out the answer: it was a Vulcan taking off from the RAF station and the silence was because the wind was coming from behind me and the base was straight ahead. UFOs do exist, until they are reclassified as IFOs.
 
AndrewFlannigan said:
I've seen a UFO. In the early 1980s I was in High Wycombe when one night an amazingly bright light appeared in the sky and rose silently into the air. I was, as the old saying has it, taken aback. Those why know the area have already worked out the answer: it was a Vulcan taking off from the RAF station and the silence was because the wind was coming from behind me and the base was straight ahead. UFOs do exist, until they are reclassified as IFOs.
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I don't know Andrew. Is your mind completely closed to the possibility that a ufo could be a non human craft? Closed now and forever in every instance?
 
AndrewFlannigan said:
I've seen a UFO. In the early 1980s I was in High Wycombe when one night an amazingly bright light appeared in the sky and rose silently into the air. I was, as the old saying has it, taken aback. Those why know the area have already worked out the answer: it was a Vulcan taking off from the RAF station and the silence was because the wind was coming from behind me and the base was straight ahead. UFOs do exist, until they are reclassified as IFOs.
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Which RAF station?
 
woof woof said:
Deep sigh...

UFO's is just one interest but no, I haven't spent decades researching the subject, I just watch, read and listen as the opportunity arises.

What I think is all of the above, pelicans, the moon reflected off cabbages, venus, weather balloons, clouds, natural phenomena as yet unexplained, secret stuff and all the rest, they all have their place but they don't answer every question. I don't think that there is one explanation that fits all every time There is certainly more film than fuzzy video but if it's genuine or not, how can anyone like us know? There are bound to be misidentifications and deliberate fakes but if just one ufo/alien event is genuine it's a momentous moment that we may not even accept if our minds are closed to the possibility of it ever happening. If they do exist why wouldn't they just land on the White House lawn? Who knows?

I'm also interested in consciousness as I had night terrors as a kid and I remember some to this day. I therefore do know that an experience can appear to be very real to me and not to others but altered states don't account for group sightings as easily unless there's something else going on to account for those shared experiences and although that maybe isn't impossible it's also an interesting possibility.
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Without going off topic, there has been instances of ‘group sightings’ of other things that have since been debunked. To name one (if I am allowed as it is of a religious nature) the Fatima incident in Portugal where a large crowd reported to have witnessed the same images.
The human brain is very good at formulating images. This can happen in many scenarios like seeing images in clouds, toast, ghosts in buildings and pictures.
So it would then not be unusual for people to formulate images of spacecraft in the night sky given that most of us are brought up watching and reading science fiction.

Like you say there will be many reasons for the numerous ufo sightings and certainly they are not all down to people imaginations.

You repeatedly mention in your posts my previous reference to fuzzy images, so I am happy to watch any videos that you can provide a link to?
With reference to the initial UFO incident raised by the OP, I have certainly only ever viewed fuzzy blobs of that one, unless again you can suggest any decent footage to suggest otherwise?
 
woof woof said:
I don't know Andrew. Is your mind completely closed to the possibility that a ufo could be a non human craft? Closed now and forever in every instance?
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No. But very, very cynical given the numbers involved.
 
Peter10d said:
Without going off topic, there has been instances of ‘group sightings’ of other things that have since been debunked. To name one (if I am allowed as it is of a religious nature) the Fatima incident in Portugal where a large crowd reported to have witnessed the same images.
The human brain is very good at formulating images. This can happen in many scenarios like seeing images in clouds, toast, ghosts in buildings and pictures.
So it would then not be unusual for people to formulate images of spacecraft in the night sky given that most of us are brought up watching and reading science fiction.

Like you say there will be many reasons for the numerous ufo sightings and certainly they are not all down to people imaginations.

You repeatedly mention in your posts my previous reference to fuzzy images, so I am happy to watch any videos that you can provide a link to?
With reference to the initial UFO incident raised by the OP, I have certainly only ever viewed fuzzy blobs of that one, unless again you can suggest any decent footage to suggest otherwise?
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No as although it may appear otherwise I have a life away from the keyboard plus we could nit pick examples for the rest of our lives so all in all I'm in favor of people working their own keyboards and finding any good programming or content that may be out there themselves.

There have certainly been respectable quality programming though the years, they may get lost among the chaff but if you put your mind to it maybe you can find some.
 
Ricardodaforce said:
How did it take off when there is no runway there?
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You're right. I was told that was where the Vulcan was taking off from and I've believed it for the last 40 years or so! Looking at the map the only places that look possible are Northolt or Heathrow. It definitely was a Vulcan: as it flew over the town, street lighting reflected off its white antiflash paint clearly. Not a shape to be confused with anything else in the sky...

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I was in Leeds in the 80's during the Falklands war and one flew over low with its bomb doors open. I always wondered why. Maybe Leeds looked like Port Stanley.
 
AndrewFlannigan said:
You're right. I was told that was where the Vulcan was taking off from and I've believed it for the last 40 years or so! Looking at the map the only places that look possible are Northolt or Heathrow. It definitely was a Vulcan: as it flew over the town, street lighting reflected off its white antiflash paint clearly. Not a shape to be confused with anything else in the sky...

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High Wycombe born and bred! No family there now so no reason to return.
 
If there is intelligent life out there there is little chance of it coming here, and even less chance of it coinciding with our astonishingly brief tenure on this planet.
I’d certainly hope also that the intelligent species had managed to build a civilisation without destroying its planet, as we are doing. That’s probably a more interesting discussion!
 
Pound Coin said:
If there is intelligent life out there there is little chance of it coming here, and even less chance of it coinciding with our astonishingly brief tenure on this planet.
I’d certainly hope also that the intelligent species had managed to build a civilisation without destroying its planet, as we are doing. That’s probably a more interesting discussion!
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I suppose it's possible that life could evolve and not develop a taste for consumerism. That could cut down on a lot of planet destroying activities.
 
Life without f2.8 lenses!
 
Nooooo. You'd buy kit but just keep it a long time.
 
AndrewFlannigan said:
You're right. I was told that was where the Vulcan was taking off from and I've believed it for the last 40 years or so! Looking at the map the only places that look possible are Northolt or Heathrow. It definitely was a Vulcan: as it flew over the town, street lighting reflected off its white antiflash paint clearly. Not a shape to be confused with anything else in the sky...
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The reason I've jumped in here is that as a youngster I visited my sister and brother-in-law at RAF Halton where he was stationed and it's 11 miles from High Wycombe and here's a photo from there of a Vulcan plus a few others.

https://www.fightercontrol.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23215

http://www.mainpointonline.co.uk/?p=593
 
JohnC6 said:
The reason I've jumped in here is that as a youngster I visited my sister and brother-in-law at RAF Halton where he was stationed and it's 11 miles from High Wycombe and here's a photo from there of a Vulcan plus a few others.
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Interesting link there.
 
I know someone who used to be in the RAF and knows that UFOs are Aliens...

There - that second hand/third hand knowledge is about as much as I can uselessly contribute to this debate :exit:
 
Is that the DeHaviland Alien?
 
I believe there was quite a bit about the Vulcan that most people didn't know at the time it was in service, including its manoeuvrability, an inkling of which can be seen from this take off (which happened a long while after it left active service). It was an amazing and incredibly charismatic aeroplane, but thank God its principal intended purpose and payload never had to be used.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXh3tZT-Pfk
 
Mr Badger said:
I believe there was quite a bit about the Vulcan that most people didn't know at the time it was in service, including its manoeuvrability, an inkling of which can be seen from this take off (which happened a long while after it left active service). It was an amazing and incredibly charismatic aeroplane, but thank God its principal intended purpose and payload never had to be used.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXh3tZT-Pfk
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I remember it well

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In the absence of a UFO photo which I don't have..lol..This is XH558 on it's farewell trip on September 29 2012 around the Midlands and here it's passing over Dowty Hydraulics, Gloucester where the main undercarriage was made.

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I once thought I saw a UFO in my rear view mirror, this was many years ago. It looked like a big circle with lights around it, and it seemed to be raising up into the air.
I realised it was the the roundabout that I had just passed, it was lit up, and as I was going downhill, that made it look like it was raising into the air. :)
 
I wonder if some people just don't get the meaning of "unidentified"? Perhaps we should discuss IFOs instead... :naughty: :coat:
 
They are Zorg from another universe and they are going to take over the world and we are doomed! Doomed I say! Doomed!
Now.....where did I leave my tin hat? :runaway::LOL:
 
Considering we have such amazing cameras and imaging technology; it's strange how this kind of footage always seems to be taken with old 8mm film camera quality ones. :rolleyes:
 
I don't find it difficult to believe in the possibility of extra terrestrial visitations of one sort or another. That doesn't mean I'm convinced they have happened, just that I'm open minded about it. That seems reasonable to me.

On the other hand, I'm sceptical about hauntings and ghosts etc. I can't explain why, and it puzzles me a bit.

FWIW I have no personal experience of either.
 
Lets face it, if UFO's were interstellar visitors, they wouldn't be using power sources that we would recognise and therefore would also not move in ways that we associate with current flying machines. Indeed the practicalities of interstellar travel, wormholes aside, imply that it is quite possible that such objects, if they exist, are more likely to be holographic in some way, not physical but forms of high-speed energy like light wavelengths. Since the teleporting of a single molecule over a distance has already been proved by scientists (can't link it but I have read that they've done it somewhere), it is entirely theoretically feasible that an object could appear then disappear in that way. Although more likely at the extreme to be the result of a light anomaly or experiment that we are unaware of.
 
MartynK said:
I don't find it difficult to believe in the possibility of extra terrestrial visitations of one sort or another. That doesn't mean I'm convinced they have happened, just that I'm open minded about it. That seems reasonable to me.

On the other hand, I'm sceptical about hauntings and ghosts etc. I can't explain why, and it puzzles me a bit.

FWIW I have no personal experience of either.
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At a family wedding when I was a boy relatives started talking about the goings on in my grandmothers house. I'd never heard the stories before that, it was classic haunted house stuff.

Other than that, as a contractor I worked at a DSS site up north and there were all sorts of goings on to the point that some of the DSS people wanted to get parts of the site closed as unfit. It's largely gone now. We had several rooms there with no problems but one was below ground level in an area that seemed to be the centre of all this and of course in the afternoon/evening if anyone turned the lights off it was pitch black out in the corridor and you couldn't see your hand in front of your face which I suppose added to the nervousness for some. I was alone there a lot but I never had a problem with the place and never felt the jitters. After a couple of incidents which were nothing to do with us the cleaners refused to come down after dark and even some of the DSS wouldn't work there into the evening after one of them had a very real to him experience. I experienced four odd things either there or in our next room which were all difficult to explain and I did try. I didn't find these things at all frightening and after one I laughed out loud. Not everyone could do that though.

I have a sister who's reported several things in her house. No one has seen anything, just noise based things and experienced/heard by more than one person at the same time.

I think that as with UFO's there's possibly multiply things going on here all lumped together under the umbrella terms, ghosts, hauntings, poltergeist, etc.
 
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Lindsay56 said:
Lets face it, if UFO's were interstellar visitors, they wouldn't be using power sources that we would recognise and therefore would also not move in ways that we associate with current flying machines. Indeed the practicalities of interstellar travel, wormholes aside, imply that it is quite possible that such objects, if they exist, are more likely to be holographic in some way, not physical but forms of high-speed energy like light wavelengths. Since the teleporting of a single molecule over a distance has already been proved by scientists (can't link it but I have read that they've done it somewhere), it is entirely theoretically feasible that an object could appear then disappear in that way. Although more likely at the extreme to be the result of a light anomaly or experiment that we are unaware of.
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They might even be operating on a different wavelength or frequency, ( if that is the right words / terms ) that we do not even recognise or understand.
There may even be intelligent life, that we can not even see with our type of basic human vision, compared to high intelligent life forms.

I have not been drinking, but I do love watching SI FI's ;)
 
Lindsay56 said:
Lets face it, if UFO's were interstellar visitors, they wouldn't be using power sources that we would recognise and therefore would also not move in ways that we associate with current flying machines. Indeed the practicalities of interstellar travel, wormholes aside, imply that it is quite possible that such objects, if they exist, are more likely to be holographic in some way, not physical but forms of high-speed energy like light wavelengths. Since the teleporting of a single molecule over a distance has already been proved by scientists (can't link it but I have read that they've done it somewhere), it is entirely theoretically feasible that an object could appear then disappear in that way. Although more likely at the extreme to be the result of a light anomaly or experiment that we are unaware of.
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I think we can imagine how things could be done, action at a distance/entanglement seems one out there way I suppose but I think it's possible that we just don't know and even can't at this time imagine what some others may be able to do relatively easily.
 
jonbeeza said:
They might even be operating on a different wavelength or frequency, ( if that is the right words / terms ) that we do not even recognise or understand.
There may even be intelligent life, that we can not even see with our type of basic human vision, compared to high intelligent life forms.

I have not been drinking, but I do love watching SI FI's ;)
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I watched "Arrival" again the other day, a very good film IMO.

I'd like to see peaceful 1st contact in my lifetime. I don't know how it'd be received in the world, hopefully without people going nuts.
 
I'd love UFO's to be real. I think the existence of an alien civilisation would sort of put our own existence here into perspective. Because at the moment we need to know there is more out there we could do rather than destroy what we have. Sadly I don't think they do exist. Life might well do, in some form or other, but it's probably unlikely it would manifest itself in a form we might recognise. Never mind actually come here.
 
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