So Tottenham burns!

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Mark, you are a brave man, great shots of a totally despicable situation.
As you say it has nothing to do with lasts weeks shooting.
 
On the brightside, at least the Greggs pasties will be warm.
 
Nice work mark - esp number 3 , and kudos for having the cojones to be on those streets in the first place.

heres hoping you get some sales from the papers
 
gramps said:
I thought we already have that addressed, e.g.

  • My daughter and son-in-law couldn't get a flat after they married because it was given to a young unmarried mother - it's common knowledge that all you need to do to get a home is get pregnant.
  • Schools can't do winners and losers anymore, everyone has to be winners, helps them adjust to the 'real world' ... get it by looting.
  • Scroungers can get mega-bucks for their 13 kids and 'council' accommodation in Chelsea, whilst pensioners can't get home care.

I could go on but I'm sure you get my drift - I'm all for social equality - let everyone stand on their own two feet like I have to do.
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Come on now, you know I'm not talking about this kind of stuff (which we can all agree are serious issues). I'm talking about prejudice and discrimination, deep class divisions, lack of access to affordable education, and so on. I don't claim to have any solutions to these problems, but for too long they've been swept under the carpet.
 
DemiLion said:
Seeing as this is meant to be a photography forum:




London has gone feral:

Peckham
Lewisham
Clapham Junction
Croydon
Bromley

and that's just south.

My iPhone was grabbed & pulling out to file was almost as, if not more dangerous than being there. I've endexed for the night as it's just too dangerous to have camera kit in any area. Similar reports are coming in from photographers across London.


This has absolutely nothing to do with last weeks shooting, it's plain old fashioned mayhem.

The building that went up was a baby linen shop!
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Pretty sure we saw you getting moved on by the police earlier when the helicopter was over
 
Thanks guys. Sorry about the hoofing watermarks, but these have been filed direct to the news desks, hence the protection.

It's a shame, because No3 has great eye contact (which you can't see) with the rather over enthusiastic copper on the right - he didn't like me being there!
 
kelack said:
Pretty sure we saw you getting moved on by the police earlier when the helicopter was over
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If it was Peckham, then it was me. There was only myself and a mate there, giving each other backup.

PS: 'moved on' isn't exactly how I'd phrase it! :D
 
DemiLion said:
If it was Peckham, then it was me. There was only myself and a mate there, giving each other backup.
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It was you I am sure, my daughter just asked, having seen your photos, was that the man we saw being moved on. lol
 
Yeah it was you from looking at your pictures. I recognised the jacket and said it was you to husband. That was when they started charging down the street and then the one stopped and moved you on
 
AFC said:
BBC News 24 has said that Cameron is coming home and holding a COBRA meeting tomorrow.
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Splog said:
Ah! .... So that's why he's been so quiet in this thread .... Do you think he will he be wearing Pink for the meet? :D
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I always do ;)
And I am staying outta this Mod or no Mod
if I posted my true thoughts on this I'd be off on a "short break"
Flash In The Pan said:
I knew he was behind this :lol:
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AFC said:
:lol: brilliant, I just realised what I posted.:lol:
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And you two can hiss off as well :p
 
DemiLion said:
If it was Peckham, then it was me. There was only myself and a mate there, giving each other backup.

PS: 'moved on' isn't exactly how I'd phrase it! :D
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Glad you got back, mate! Did you get the trainers and tracksuit I asked you for? ;)
 
onona said:
Come on now, you know I'm not talking about this kind of stuff (which we can all agree are serious issues). I'm talking about prejudice and discrimination, deep class divisions, lack of access to affordable education, and so on. I don't claim to have any solutions to these problems, but for too long they've been swept under the carpet.
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prejudice, discrimination, deep class divisions, lack of access to affordable education.

What has any of the above to do with the scum on the streets? .... Keep trying to justify their behaviour and rationalise it as everyone else's fault but theirs..... absolute madness :cuckoo:
 
onona said:
I honestly don't understand why people say stuff like this - in what way are the rights of criminals considered more important than those of the victim? A bunch of people have now said that, and honestly it's the kind of thing I expect to read on The Daily Mail. Please explain to me how this is the case, because I really don't get it. I'm also genuinely curious to hear your ideas for punishing and especially deterring crime.
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well for example what about all the handwringing for folks like you and laudrup about poor mark duggan getting shot - even though it was his own choice to go out on the streets with a gun and all the justification and apologists for the nasty little scrotes who are out there with petrol bombs -

what about the rights of the people who's homes and buisnesses have gone up in smoke , what about the rights of the 35 police officers who have been injured policing the riots thus far, and the innocent motorists who are being attacked just trying to get home.

and as far as detering crime goes , for a start put a lid on these riots with water cannon, rubber bullets, tear gas and if necessary live rounds then get blackberry, twitter etc to hand over the details of the ring leaders and make an example pour le encourage les autres

and in the wider sense stop spending more on housing for prisoners than we do on care homes for the elderly

stop spending more on treatment for criminals than we do on treatment of wounded soilders

for minor crimes clearly prison isnt appropriate but boot camp short sharp shock chain gang community service etc , stop worrying about whether punishment is degrading - punishment is supposed to be ****ing degrading thats why its a punishment.
 
Stunning Mark :thumbs:
Balls of steel you must have ;)
 
onona said:
Come on now, you know I'm not talking about this kind of stuff.
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Why not?
Why are you trying to defend the actions of these scums by suggesting that it's all down to poor living conditions and the like.
When I was young my dad died and I and my sister often ate bread and dripping from the proceeds of my mums hard work cleaning and trying to make ends meet amidst her depression.
Did we all go burning our home town and looting the shops?
No, we knuckled down and made a life for ourselves not expecting anyone to give us a living.
Burning, looting and putting others lives at risk isn't a consequence of social depravation it's a lack of self discipline and self respect.
 
apparently, according to a couple of social networking sites and from relatives near to the area who have their own relatives in the Met...... basically the police are waiting for Theresa May to sign a bit of paper to give them the "go ahead...... ".....

sign it.. sign it....
 
Splog said:
prejudice, discrimination, deep class divisions, lack of access to affordable education.

What has any of the above to do with the scum on the streets? .... Keep trying to justify their behaviour and rationalise it as everyone else's fault but theirs..... absolute madness :cuckoo:
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Excuse me, but where am I "justifying" their behaviour? See, this is why no constructive discussion can be had here; because most of you are simply intent on painting those who look to the root of the problem as justifying what they're doing, while ignoring what we're actually saying.

You don't actually want to understand what I am saying, so you intentionally misread my (and other) posts instead. Well done.
 
gramps said:
Why not?
Why are you trying to defend the actions of these scums by suggesting that it's all down to poor living conditions and the like.
When I was young my dad died and I and my sister often ate bread and dripping from the proceeds of my mums hard work cleaning and trying to make ends meet amidst her depression.
Did we all go burning our home town and looting the shops?
No, we knuckled down and made a life for ourselves not expecting anyone to give us a living.
Burning, looting and putting others lives at risk isn't a consequence of social depravation it's a lack of self discipline and self respect.
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Where am I DEFENDING their actions? WHERE?!

Christ, I obviously made a mistake thinking that an intelligent discussion could actually be had here.
 
big soft moose said:
well for example what about all the handwringing for folks like you and laudrup about poor mark duggan getting shot
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WHERE DID I SAY ANYTHING ABOUT MARK DUGGAN?

I am not even going to bother reading the rest of your post because you're not doing me the favour of actually reading what I am saying either.

I'm out of this discussion because it's completely pointless.
 
onona said:
Where am I DEFENDING their actions? WHERE?!

Christ, I obviously made a mistake thinking that an intelligent discussion could actually be had here.
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Leigh, you do know this is the "hang a hoodie" forum, don't you?!
 
Lynton said:
apparently, according to a couple of social networking sites and from relatives near to the area who have their own relatives in the Met...... basically the police are waiting for Theresa May to sign a bit of paper to give them the "go ahead...... ".....

sign it.. sign it....
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She doesnt have the balls, (literally).
It'll be on her head, all the families of little johnny who was seriously injured in the riots will want her blood.
Of course Johnny was just an innocent passer by and wasnt throwing petrol bpmbs at the police as he is a good boy really.
 
onona said:
Where am I DEFENDING their actions? WHERE?!
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onona said:
When you look at these hooligans, there's almost always a long line of problems, starting from poverty and poor parenting which leads to a lack of discipline, education and a respect for others, leading up to their criminality.
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You are excusing them, it has nothing to do with poverty or parenting it is criminality. There are millions who have lived in poverty and with inadequate parenting and who are not doing these things.
 
onona said:
Excuse me, but where am I "justifying" their behaviour? See, this is why no constructive discussion can be had here; because most of you are simply intent on painting those who look to the root of the problem as justifying what they're doing, while ignoring what we're actually saying.

You don't actually want to understand what I am saying, so you intentionally misread my (and other) posts instead. Well done.
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but you arent looking at the root of the problem - you are just making excuses - like gramps said loads of people find themselves in poverty but they dont all go out looting, stealing and burning

the root cause of this is simple , there are a bunch of nastly little *******s who dont fear the consequences of behaving like this because they have seen other nasty little *******s get away with it in tottenham previously and though ' we could do that innit '

if on the first night the police had been authorised to crush the riots with full force brough to bear imediately none of these copycats would have happened
 
onona said:
Excuse me, but where am I "justifying" their behaviour? See, this is why no constructive discussion can be had here; because most of you are simply intent on painting those who look to the root of the problem as justifying what they're doing, while ignoring what we're actually saying.

You don't actually want to understand what I am saying, so you intentionally misread my (and other) posts instead. Well done.
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But here lies the problem, finding excuses for the idiots that are doing it. I am sorry but this needs to be stamped on hard and quickly, What are they saying, "****** you and ****** the country, we know there is little chance of any justice being dished out to us."

I Understand what you are saying but I do not agree with you or others who do seem to be supporting their acts.
 
Wonder how many of those rioting due to 'poverty' are wearing designer trainers and jackets? It's all utter rubbish. It's nothing to do with it. Both my parents were from broken homes. Neither well off. They aren't rioting or looting and never have done.

Morons are destroying their own areas. How dumb are they?? No one will reopen there. Hope they're pleased at putting people out of business and out of their homes and making their area POORER.

Although one could argue that Croyden can only be improved with burning down ;)

Water cannon, army out and flatten a few.Stop mincing about.

Parents should know where their kids are. If kids get arrested and I think their parents need some time in prison too. Teach them a little responsibility.
 
big soft moose said:
if on the first night the police had been authorised to crush the riots with full force brough to bear imediately none of these copycats would have happened
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Well they weren't, so they have. What's the solution now?
 
onona said:

I am not even going to bother reading the rest of your post because you're not doing me the favour of actually reading what I am saying either.

I'm out of this discussion because it's completely pointless.
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I'm reading what you are saying, i just dont agree with it - you clearly arent reading what im saying because i said "people like you and laudrup" (and he spent several pages arguing that poor mark duggan was a victim of the nasty oppresive police - you've spent several pages making excuses for the rioters , and i'm saying **** the rioters what about their victims !)
 
big soft moose said:
well for example what about all the handwringing for folks like you and laudrup about poor mark duggan getting shot - even though it was his own choice to go out on the streets with a gun and all the justification and apologists for the nasty little scrotes who are out there with petrol bombs -

what about the rights of the people who's homes and buisnesses have gone up in smoke , what about the rights of the 35 police officers who have been injured policing the riots thus far, and the innocent motorists who are being attacked just trying to get home.

and as far as detering crime goes , for a start put a lid on these riots with water cannon, rubber bullets, tear gas and if necessary live rounds then get blackberry, twitter etc to hand over the details of the ring leaders and make an example pour le encourage les autres

and in the wider sense stop spending more on housing for prisoners than we do on care homes for the elderly

stop spending more on treatment for criminals than we do on treatment of wounded soilders

for minor crimes clearly prison isnt appropriate but boot camp short sharp shock chain gang community service etc , stop worrying about whether punishment is degrading - punishment is supposed to be ****ing degrading thats why its a punishment.
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What's the weather like in Daily Mail land?
 
Yves Geza said:
Well they weren't, so they have. What's the solution now?
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Crush the riots now before we get more copy cats and so on arround - the more we mince about the more the nasty little scrotes in society think they can give authority the finger.


Think about this forum as a parallel - If someone went and opened thread after thread saying "**** the mods **** your rules" and posted loads of porn and spam and the mods sat there wringing their hands saying " oh but we mustnt abuse his right to free speech and self expression " pretty soon we'd have page after page of porn and spam and total disregard for the rules

on the other hand if they banned the first perpetrator and deleted all his threads instantly nothing else would kick off.
 
onona said:
Excuse me, but where am I "justifying" their behaviour? See, this is why no constructive discussion can be had here; because most of you are simply intent on painting those who look to the root of the problem as justifying what they're doing, while ignoring what we're actually saying.

You don't actually want to understand what I am saying, so you intentionally misread my (and other) posts instead. Well done.
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I didn't misread your post! ... I also used the word rationalise their actions. Their actions cannot be rationalised!. The root cause of the problem does not need investigating or anything else simply because as soon as the real reasons become evident then the hand wringers start putting 'ism' at the end of their words..... It's obvious what the problem is..... open your eyes and look!
 
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big soft moose said:
I'm reading what you are saying, i just dont agree with it - you clearly arent reading what im saying because i said "people like you and laudrup" (and he spent several pages arguing that poor mark duggan was a victim of the nasty oppresive police - you've spent several pages making excuses for the rioters , and i'm saying **** the rioters what about their victims !)
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Where did I say this?
 
Just listening to Tottenham business owner Trevor Reeves, his business, opened in 1875 by his grandfather is now a burnt-out shell, his brother is distraught ... asked what has caused this ... "mindless thuggery", without any hesitation.
 
Laudrup said:
What's the weather like in Daily Mail land?
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you should know - you're closer to the sky up there in your ivory tower, always assuming you can see much through the rose tinted glasses :annoyed:
 
big soft moose said:
Crush the riots now before we get more copy cats and so on arround - the more we mince about the more the nasty little scrotes in society think they can give authority the finger.
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As of tonight there seem to be lots of little scrotes and probably not enough force to crush them immediately wherever they rear up. That's just in London, before looting greed spreads all around the rest of the country.

It's too simple an answer; this week they are giving authority the finger. There is going to have to be a cleverer, deeper solution.
 
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