So Tottenham burns!

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Laudrup said:
The police don't shoot innocent people, they can do no wrong. Shooting people carrying table legs and back packs is in our interest.
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Can you genuinely cite more than a handful of instances where such a thing has happened? I can only think of three (de Menezes, Waldorf and Stanley) in nearly 30 years.....
 
dod said:
It only costs £40K if you supply them with LCD TV's and play stations. We won't need to do that this time, they can take the ones they stole with them.

So, given that you don't want more of them in prison how would you say we should deal with these protestors? What are the alternative options for dealing with this criminality?
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Deportation to some possibly uninhabited island in the Southern Hemisphere.
 
onona said:
You're not the first person to throw the word liberal into the conversation here in a demeaning way - you know, I expect that kind of black and white thinking from Americans (I lived in America for a while some years back and got thoroughly tired of this habit of theirs) but not from Brits. Just because someone is of a more liberal mindset, that doesn't make them some bleeding heart criminal sympathiser. Furthermore, just because you don't agree with their views, that doesn't mean they have no experience of real life - they simply have a different opinion on things.

Honestly, belitting people for having different views on various aspects of life is pretty poor behaviour, and is thoroughly unconstructive - in fact, it's actually damaging to discussion as a whole. By all means, disagree, but you can do so without belittling that person.
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Just ignore it. I'm a liberal, and believe very strongly in the freedom of the individual and minimum state intervention. I also believe in the death penalty (with reservations), the right to keep and bear arms and personal responsibility. That's all quite compatible with liberalism, but not with the sort of socialism that governs the whole of the western world.

FWIW, I carried a gun for years as an an officer in a colonial police force and as a civilian in a country which permitted it. I've had quite a bit of experience in this life, and some of it wasn't that much fun.
 
Marcel said:
Ruffle their hair lovingly, give them a much needed hug and discuss their feelings I would have thought.


Then build them a park.
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Really, just grow up. This does you no credit.
 
MartynK said:
Really, just grow up. This does you no credit.
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You're missing the point. What Marcel said in jest was exactly what is suggested time and time again. Every one's a victim nowadays.
 
Marcel said:
It must be lovely to sit in your armchair and say that you'd make the correct call when faced under the pressures those men are put under every day.
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this :plusone:
 
MWHCVT said:
Anyone else smell a few trips to the naughty step after the :lock: hits this thread :lol:
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nah they can't ban marcel, matty and dod for being un pc ..... can they ???
 
The flip side of the coin is what the officers involved in Thursdays incident must be going through, knowing that they have had to take some ones life, and they have to live with it for the rest of their life.
I am sure anyone who had to do the armed police officers job would be the same, some scrot points a gun at you are you really going to wait until he fires at you first before you deal with the situation or are you going to be the officer that is shot in the line of duty just incase they do not have a real firearm?

I was watching a program the other day where the a police officer was saying that there is a growing number of cases of people who want to die and are using imatation or real firearms to get the police to shot them to end it. What a cowards way out of doing it.

I have every support for the police in our country, I feel a lot of our problems in this country would be resolved if all our officers were armed.

The other problem is that our legal system seems to be weighted towards the criminals human rights and not the victim/ police.
 
big soft moose said:
nah they can't ban marcel, matty and dod for being un pc ..... can they ???
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That would funny, boys put yourselves on the naughty step and think about what you've done ;) :naughty: :exit:
 
Don't hurt my feelings or I'll burn your shops.
MInd you I might do it anyway, just to prove a point ;)
 
Marcel said:
Such a wide sweeping statistic, it means absolutely nothing.

Take a weeks worth of Section 60 searches in the middle of Cheshire, and see A: How many were conducted, how many were black.

Then take a weeks worth of Section 60 searches but from the middle of, say Hackney.

What do you get? The above statistic which means sod all.

That's the problem. People hung up on statistics.
If there are alot of black people in a high crime area then yes, theyre more likely to be stopped and searched. That's not racism that's mathematics.

Just like when there's a rape you don't see many women being arrested do you?
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If somewhere like the LSE is involved with it then it would be a bit more sophisticated than you give them credit for. I don't think women can be arrested for rape either, it would be sexual assault I think due to the lack of a penis.
 
matty said:
the police brutally treated all of those rioters and looters did they? Too much wooly minded rubbish like that has gotten this country to this point. NO teenage discipline, no way to control them. the law holds no fear to many young people, they have no respect.
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And, of course, on countries like the US where the police are more hard-nosed they have no problem with gin crime
 
Laudrup said:
If somewhere like the LSE is involved with it then it would be a bit more sophisticated than you give them credit for. I don't think women can be arrested for rape either, it would be sexual assault I think due to the lack of a penis.
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Instead of pedantry how do you suggest these thugs "protesting" should be dealt with?
 
MWHCVT said:
Seriously are you a stuck record, have you never made a mistake, I guess your perfect :shrug: it's unfortunate that an armed response officer if they make a mistake it can prove deadly, I've known ARO's and the last thing they ever want to do is shoot someone
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I can say with some confidence that I've never shot an innocent man in the head with hollow point bullets.
 
Surprised we haven't had a complaint from a Jessops looter complaining they had only got a display model and even worse it had a few hundred shots on it already
 
Unlike many groups who are only too happy to crow about their professional status, yet have gone on strike - the police haven't, but I'm fast coming round to the opinion that it might not be such a bad ideas. A month should do it - we'd pretty much have total anarchy by then, but at least when the police started to pick up the pieces, some of the people posting in this thread might have a different mindset about the value of the police.
 
Laudrup said:
I can say with some confidence that I've never shot an innocent man in the head with hollow point bullets.
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Well whoopee do for you! What do you do Laudrup anyway - nothing that puts you in harms way I venture to guess?
 
Laudrup said:
If somewhere like the LSE is involved with it then it would be a bit more sophisticated than you give them credit for. I don't think women can be arrested for rape either, it would be sexual assault I think due to the lack of a penis.
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Technically no, but women have been convicted of participating in rape - Claire Marsh was one of them - which carries the same penalty and criminal record.
 
Laudrup said:
I can say with some confidence that I've never shot an innocent man in the head with hollow point bullets.
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I doubt many police officers have either, anyway I notice you avoided my request to cite instances where the Police have shot an innocent man :suspect:

You don't really have anything to back up any of your points, do you?
 
Marcel said:
*handbag*

Forgive me for trying to inject a little humour. I'll go and find another forum to chat on :(
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Sorry, man. I'm usually quite easy going, but this thread has been getting to me, and I over-reacted to your comment. I should have known you weren't serious. Pax!
 
CT said:
Unlike many groups who are only too happy to crow about their professional status, yet have gone on strike - the police haven't
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The fact that it's illegal for the Police to take industrial action may have some bearing on that though....;)
 
MartynK said:
Sorry, man. I'm usually quite easy going, but this thread has been getting to me, and I over-reacted to your comment. I should have known you weren't serious. Pax!
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No worries.
*puts handbag away* :)
 
Flash In The Pan said:
The fact that it's illegal for the Police to take industrial action may have some bearing on that though....;)
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Of course - nevertheless the police have voted on campaigning for the right to strike in recent years and the idea was overwhelmingly rejected -even when the police had genuine cause for grievance.
 
tijuana taxi said:
Surprised we haven't had a complaint from a Jessops looter complaining they had only got a display model and even worse it had a few hundred shots on it already
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And they cant take it back to the shop cos it aint there no more.:D
 
Flash In The Pan said:
The fact that it's illegal for the Police to take industrial action may have some bearing on that though....;)
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Yeah, but as we all know, why should they care - they're all corrupt and morally bankrupt anyway... (I hope you picked up the sarcasm dripping off that comment...)

Seriously though, they do an awesome job. I can't imagine that having to decide in a split second whether or not they need to take someone's life is in the slightest bit easy. What a responsibility to have to shoulder for the rest of their own lives...

...and how would a gun-carrying criminal feel about doing the same thing?
 
Flash In The Pan said:
Can you genuinely cite more than a handful of instances where such a thing has happened? I can only think of three (de Menezes, Waldorf and Stanley) in nearly 30 years.....
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What!!! The old guys from the Muppets were shot??? When did that happen???
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Laudrup said:
That's a worn out axiom. It's even worse when people declare themselves the 'winner' if it comes up. It tells you they don't really know what it even means.
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There are at least two direct questions you've been asked to answer. Any chance of replies or have you not read that page of the handbook yet?
 
Laudrup said:
I can say with some confidence that I've never shot an innocent man in the head with hollow point bullets.
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This is actually one the dumbest comments of many in the whole thread. At least we know Ding47UK is a primary school teacher, so he's not going to be called on to take anyone out, and his idea of a stressful day is kids pishing on the carpet in the classroom. Fair does - it must be tough at times!

Come on out where we can have a look at you. ;)
 
It's going around the South Circular like wildfire i bet now, it's spread to Peckham, i bet Wandsworth gets affected !
It's all about free electrical goods and other stuff to nick, once the police are undermanned you can imagine they'll try it mob handed using FB & Twitter, insurance premiums will rocket - bad times on already bad times !
 
Laudrup said:
That's a worn out axiom. It's even worse when people declare themselves the 'winner' if it comes up. It tells you they don't really know what it even means.
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Methinks you're only saying that as you were about to evoke it ;)

Anyway, back to all these direct questions you've been asked, are you planning to answer them, or are you just going to continue droning on about table legs? :lol:
 
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