So Tottenham burns!

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Treesie said:
My household consents including lads of 22, 26 & 28 ...... And 48 lol

I can't believe there's a facebook page setup to encourage a riot in Glasgow on Friday!!
Technology.... It's our future and our downfall.
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to be fair the only people that have joined that page are slating the creator something chronic..
 
Tear gas and water canon, job done.

Any stragglers finish off with live rounds ... bet they would not go thieving the next night
 
Marcel said:
/gets water cannon.

Bring it boyo :D I aint afraid of hurting feelings :D
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I quite agree and may I suggest that perhaps some of our own well behaved and nice polite troops from the Royal Marines and the Paratroop regiment, could accompany the water cannon and in their inimitable polite manner ask any yobs seen to go home to their mum or would they like a visit to A&E.
 
Quite frankly I'm disgusted with what I saw on the news last night. I'm disgusted with the behavior of the yobs and scum. Rubber bullets and water canon are what are needed now.
I'm disgusted with the fact the police quite obviously have their hands tied. It's almost like they don't know what to do about it, not because they're not trained, but because of the limp wristed liberal tree hugging redsock nitwits who've been in charge for years taking their powers away. I feel for the decent ordinary people caught up in all this, I really do. I heard a pub landlord had to 'rescue' a 90 year old women. What? :eek:

This is happening because these yobs have no fear of authority - they know they're not going to get into trouble, and even if they do it won't be so bad. This is what we have taught them over the years with our weak lovey dovey ways of dealing with criminals. Anyone with liberal ideas of how we can deal with these idiots should sit and think about what these 'kids' are going to turn into when they 'grow up'.

It's time to get hard and deal with the situation before its too late, and anyone preaching peace and love should be slapped in the face with a wet cod 'cos they're idiots:nono:
 
Crowd behaviour is interesting psychology though. What someone does as an individual is completely different to how they would behave in a crowd situation. There have been various experiments to show that collective responsibility is shared in a crowd so that if someone needs help everyone tends to think 'someone else will help' so don't bother. But if they were the only person there they would help. Ultimately the people doing it have crapped in their own bed.

Definitely time May stopped faffing and just got out the water cannon.
 
neil_g said:
to be fair the only people that have joined that page are slating the creator something chronic..
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They have set up alternative sites as well. I don't think people slating them on fb will stop them if that's what they are intent on doing.
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14456050

The poor police haven't got a chance and I'm sure off the record they would say they need additional resources - be that additional officers from around the country or the army.

You have Patrick Maser saying let the police do their job, take off the cuffs. They are so affraid of being ripped to pieces by the press and government in the aftermath.

* The idiot now on BBC News saying it's understandable when a Police officer blew Martin Duggan's head off. He's now saying what do you expect when young black youths are stopped on the streets constantly by the Police. STOP MAKING EXCUSES. Does this mornon understand these thugs are destroying resources and businesses in black communities.
 
As many have said, the police have hands tied because as soon as they storm in then there will be scum taking them to the Human Rights courts and getting payouts but enough is enough. The reason why these riots continue and spread is because nothing is being done. People are getting away with this crime as we sit back and hope it goes away.

The longer we do that, the worse it gets! Send the army in now! Say anyone caught looting or rioting past midnight is liable to be shot at... then no excuses if they carry on. Tell you what, if the army did plough in now it would all be over with today.

I do despair about the small minority here who live in fluffy fluffy land - more worried about the rights of scum like these rather than those losing their homes and businesses. No doubt those caught will have had a tough childhood, and be given stuff to make them feel better, rather than being locked up!
 
Not a fan of censorship but what about the government ordering news channels to stop reporting on this, and getting something done about Social Media as I feel that is fuelling everything.
 
All this talk about bringing in the Army worries me.
A million years ago I was a young soldier and found myself deployed in a serious public order situation. We were superbly trained for armed conflict but had no training for the situation in which we found ourselves.

We were armed to the teeth with sub-machine guns and grenades and believe me, we were terrified of having to use these against a rioting civilian mob. We were immensely relieved when the fully trained riot squad arrived in the nick of time and took the situation under control.

I am now convinced that we need a dedicated unit of riot police like the CRS in France.
This rioting thieving mob need to feel effect of baton charges and tear gas not bullets as has been spoken of on here.
They should then feel the weight of a serious criminal justice system.
Because of a creeping paralysis of ineffectivness in the upper echelons of our political system this will never happen.

I can't believe I'm writing this as I'm really a very liberal-minded individual.
Maybe it's something to do with having to calm down my terrified daughter last night when she was alone in her Clapham flat with looters running around in her street.
 
kelack said:
I'm hoping you are joking? :)

Otherwise we might as well just stop anyone from posting in classifieds for the next week
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Just trying to lightn things up a teeny bit:)
My dry some say caustic sense of humour does get me in trouble sometimes!!!:)
 
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PsiFox said:
Just trying to lightn things up a teeny bit:)
My dry some say caustic sense of humour does get me introuble sometimes!!!:)
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That was drier than the sahara :lol::lol:
 
cambsno said:
The longer we do that, the worse it gets! Send the army in now! Say anyone caught looting or rioting past midnight is liable to be shot at... then no excuses if they carry on. Tell you what, if the army did plough in now it would all be over with today.
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This is not what the army is for and it is not what they are trained to do.

Soldiers are trained to engage and if necessary kill enemy combatants. They are not trained to deal with civil unrest and I can't believe any of them signed up expecting to be ordered to turn their guns on civilians in their own country (or any country, for that matter).

Perhaps you want to live in a country where our armed forces are ordered to shoot civilians on our streets. I don't. I certainly wouldn't want to be the soldier ordered to do that either.
 
cambsno said:
As many have said, the police have hands tied because as soon as they storm in then there will be scum taking them to the Human Rights courts and getting payouts but enough is enough. The reason why these riots continue and spread is because nothing is being done. People are getting away with this crime as we sit back and hope it goes away.

The longer we do that, the worse it gets! Send the army in now! Say anyone caught looting or rioting past midnight is liable to be shot at... then no excuses if they carry on. Tell you what, if the army did plough in now it would all be over with today.

I do despair about the small minority here who live in fluffy fluffy land - more worried about the rights of scum like these rather than those losing their homes and businesses. No doubt those caught will have had a tough childhood, and be given stuff to make them feel better, rather than being locked up!
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I quite agree. I've been watching the riots through the night for the last few days and I am absolutely horrified by what I've seen, in fact I feel ashamed to be British. In my opinion this is partly due to having lived through 13 years of a Labour Government, which has slowly eroded any sense of responsibility or personal accountability, and the spread of weak and limp liberalism has resulted in this. The present government cannot undo this overnight, however I'm extremely disappointed by their soft approach. I watched Theresa May being interviewed on the news this morning and it was laughable. What chance have the police got? They're in a no-win situation, they are prevented from doing their job effectively because of the likely consequences. It must be unbelievably frustrating for any officer involved in these dreadful riots, knowing they do not have the powers, support, or resources to protect innocent community members. I feel so sorry for the police, what's the point of having them if they're not permitted to do the job for which they have been trained? And the criticism of the police when they rightfully defend themselves is shocking, if the police are attacked then the instigator should be dealt with by whatever means necessary at the time, and all this nonsense and outrage when a rioter is hit or injured is unbelievable. I'm sure that accidents and mistakes do occasionally occur, that would be normal in immediately dangerous situations, but that is another consequence of public disorder. If the 16-year-old girl who was allegedly hit by a police officer was abusing the police and attempting to injure them, then I'm afraid she deserved to be subdued.

There's nothing the police can do about it until somebody in government sprouts a brain and some balls.
 
onomatopoeia said:
This is not what the army is for and it is not what they are trained to do.

Soldiers are trained to engage and if necessary kill enemy combatants. They are not trained to deal with civil unrest and I can't believe any of them signed up expecting to be ordered to turn their guns on civilians in their own country (or any country, for that matter).

Perhaps you want to live in a country where our armed forces are ordered to shoot civilians on our streets. I don't. I certainly wouldn't want to be the soldier ordered to do that either.
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I think you're wrong Mark, that is very much part of the remit of our Armed Forces. Our forces are highly trained in a number of areas, they are not battlefield killing machines. Your suggestion that they would be sent out to shoot people in the way you imply is crazy. Having spent most of my life in military bases around the world I have seen first hand what our armed forces can achieve beyond the theatre of war.

If you think the alternative, which is to allow destruction, looting, and injury or death to innocents is more acceptable then it's little wonder this is happening. Right now it seems that anybody can get away with pretty much anything in this country. I find that a far more frightening prospect.
 
onomatopoeia said:
This is not what the army is for and it is not what they are trained to do.

Soldiers are trained to engage and if necessary kill enemy combatants. They are not trained to deal with civil unrest and I can't believe any of them signed up expecting to be ordered to turn their guns on civilians in their own country (or any country, for that matter).

Perhaps you want to live in a country where our armed forces are ordered to shoot civilians on our streets. I don't. I certainly wouldn't want to be the soldier ordered to do that either.
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All very well, but the only other option seems to be to stand around and hope it goes away... Do you have a better idea to stop the riots?
 
wegotitugetit said:
because the country is a joke and the goverment are a joke
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NO NO NO, the Country is NOT a joke, its some of the people and goverments.
Proud of my Country but not pround of my goverment...
 
onomatopoeia said:
This is not what the army is for and it is not what they are trained to do.

Soldiers are trained to engage and if necessary kill enemy combatants. They are not trained to deal with civil unrest and I can't believe any of them signed up expecting to be ordered to turn their guns on civilians in their own country (or any country, for that matter).

Perhaps you want to live in a country where our armed forces are ordered to shoot civilians on our streets. I don't. I certainly wouldn't want to be the soldier ordered to do that either.
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I doubt anyone wants to live in a country were the army has to be called in to deal with it's own people but you've completely missed the point. It's not what people want, it's what the situation appears to require. If the police can deal with this then that would be great but they seem to be unable to because of numbers and because they are being kept on a leash.

If it comes down to a choice between stomping on rioters and causing them a world of hurt or poor inncoent people losing their homes, their businesses and their sense of security - I know which I'd pick.

I'm about as liberal as it gets but at some point you have to put down the microphone and pick up a bat.
 
kelack said:
Is he the new Gazza? :lol:
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Could be as Hong Kong Phooey once said :D In all seriuosness though this country has been a time bomb waiting to explode for a few years now imo. From way back in History the only way to keep things like this from happening or under control was punishment, make of that what you will but it is fact.
 
onomatopoeia said:
This is not what the army is for and it is not what they are trained to do.

Soldiers are trained to engage and if necessary kill enemy combatants. They are not trained to deal with civil unrest and I can't believe any of them signed up expecting to be ordered to turn their guns on civilians in their own country (or any country, for that matter).

Perhaps you want to live in a country where our armed forces are ordered to shoot civilians on our streets. I don't. I certainly wouldn't want to be the soldier ordered to do that either.
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What a load of old tosh, what do you think are service men and women are doing in other countries, they are maintaining peace... Our armed forces are one of the best peace keeprs this world has....Armed forces don't need to use weapons no one would ask them to do so,only a large presents and water cannons will dispurse these children...Trouble is, our Police are not all are trained for this type of riot, the armed forces are.

The law is way to soft.
 
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Lindsay D said:
In my opinion this is partly due to having lived through 13 years of a Labour Government, which has slowly eroded any sense of responsibility or personal accountability, and the spread of weak and limp liberalism has resulted in this. The present government cannot undo this overnight, however I'm extremely disappointed by their soft approach. I watched Theresa May being interviewed on the news this morning and it was laughable.
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This isn't about a particular political colour - your next sentance answers your own point.

Theresa May is no different to any other politician - she don't want to lose her job so will not take responsibility.

I would be surprised if any of them will - and there will be political points scoring to be done following this.

Until the government starts to make decisions people don't like, (and stop being led by the pc brigade and worse the idiots in Europe as well as judges who don't live in the real world), with regard to the law, this will continue.

This is pure criminality and needs to be stopped.

(By the way I don't have a political colour - wonder what Maggie would have done were she in power now?):bat:
 
Rocket said:
.Armed forces don't need to use weapons no one would ask them to do so,only a large presents and water cannons will dispurse these children...
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The police have a large presence already with shields, training and other equipment. Police also have water canons, Tazers, CS/Pava, rubber bullets etc but they are highly unlikely to be used because of what would happen afterwards.
 
Rocket said:
NO NO NO, the Country is NOT a joke, its some of the people and goverments.
Proud of my Country but not pround of my goverment...
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Well I am no longer proud to be British. I see a society which has become increasingly irresponsible, increasingly unwilling to be accountable, often unable or unwilling to stand up for themselves, accepting of poor or unfair treatment, a society of private complainers who are unprepared to make a stand or to have a voice in even the most mundane scenario, and a generally defeatist and passive attitude. I think our society is too scared or willing to discipline their own offspring, who expect everything to be handed to them and if it isn't it's suddenly an excuse for this sort of "yoof culture" we are now expected to endure.

Going slightly off topic, I no longer have lights in my driveway because they're repeatedly smashed or stolen (and I live in a supposedly 'good' area) and whenever I've told some of my neighbours the attitude has been "oh, they're just kids being kids" as if I am in some way being unreasonable for reporting it. No wonder we're in the ****. I saw a fair number of "kids" destroying private property on the streets of London in the last few nights, and I find that a terrifying sight.
 
neil_g said:
PM says 16,000 police on the street tonight compared to 6,000 in previous nights..
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I thought he came off well. The additional resources, the promise of action against these thugs, the promise to increase arrests, the promise to speed up the justice system to ensure people are dealt with quickly and finally the warning to the youth 'if you're old enough to commit the crimes you are old enough to face the consequences'.

I see the media has already started having a go at the poor police.
 
I admit I've seen very little news over the last few days, and don't have an opinion about what, how or why this disaster started, and is continuing and spreading.

The calls for water canon and tear gas seem a sensible quick fix to stop the rioting and looting. Is there anything similar to the Riot Act, 1714, on the statue book? If not, why not? Fixing the disaffected sections of our society is a whole different ball game.

The Riot Act[1] (1714) (1 Geo.1 St.2 c.5) was an Act of the Parliament of Great Britain that authorised local authorities to declare any group of twelve or more people to be unlawfully assembled, and thus have to disperse or face punitive action. The Act, whose long title was "An act for preventing tumults and riotous assemblies, and for the more speedy and effectual punishing the rioters", came into force on 1 August 1715, and remained on the statute books until 1973.

Jean
 
The wishy washy nonsense started earlier than Labour though. Started when they stopped having corporal punishment in schools. Think it was a Tory lot that introduced that. Not that it worked as the same people would be caned, repeatedly!
 
cyclamens said:
Until the government starts to make decisions people don't like, (and stop being led by the pc brigade and worse the idiots in Europe as well as judges who don't live in the real world), with regard to the law, this will continue.

This is pure criminality and needs to be stopped.

(By the way I don't have a political colour - wonder what Maggie would have done were she in power now?):bat:
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Absolutely. I too have wondered what Maggie would have done. No doubt a lot more than our current gang. I think they're just praying it will slowly go away.
 
onomatopoeia said:
This is not what the army is for and it is not what they are trained to do.

Soldiers are trained to engage and if necessary kill enemy combatants. They are not trained to deal with civil unrest and I can't believe any of them signed up expecting to be ordered to turn their guns on civilians in their own country (or any country, for that matter).

Perhaps you want to live in a country where our armed forces are ordered to shoot civilians on our streets. I don't. I certainly wouldn't want to be the soldier ordered to do that either.
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They are trained for this are considered amongst the best and in fact train other countries in riot control, including the U.S. military.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oifDFOzoiPQ
 
srichards said:
The wishy washy nonsense started earlier than Labour though. Started when they stopped having corporal punishment in schools. Think it was a Tory lot that introduced that. Not that it worked as the same people would be caned, repeatedly!
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Exactly, it didn't work. Those that deserved it didn't alter their behaviour after receiving it and those that didn't deserve it but got it because the teacher was having a bad day, lost it and lashed out at them (and I'm sorry to any teachers reading, but I witnessed this happen, indeed it happened to me, in a "good school" as well. When the teacher turns bright red, picks you up by the hair and starts ranting they are not acting rationally) just ended up resenting the people that were supposed to be educating them rather than respecting them.
 
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