So, Marius the Giraffe

KIPAX said:
Tell that to the cow as your walking it to the slaughthouse :)
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and there is another example of genetic breeding, we the human race shaped the cow and all other domestic livestock for food etc
without that they wouldn't exist in the first place
So in effect a cow going to the slaughterhouse is fulfilling it's destiny
 
[quote Mbuti, post: 6100811, member: 37970"]It is also full of rubbish and misleads the facts, it has one agenda!



Not really, they probably have to breed but actually need females. Alot of surplus males are sometimes born that are no use to the breeding programming, if this animal had been female I doubt it would have been killed.



Not true, Chester breed a lot on animal that are not endangered. The animals may be under threat due to habitat loss but are not endangered themselves.

Lastly this is more common than most people no about, just not talked about over here in GB.[/quote]


Ok maybe I should have said that chester do a lot of work breeding endangered species certainly the example I gave the sumatran tigers are endangered
The point I was trying to make was that zoos like chester do a lot of work in trying to preserve rare animal much of it behind the scenes
 
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Gremlin said:
and there is another example of genetic breeding, we the human race shaped the cow and all other domestic livestock for food etc
without that they wouldn't exist in the first place
So in effect a cow going to the slaughterhouse is fulfilling it's destiny
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you write that like you actually believe it ?
 
Yv said:
It is a tricky subject and like Rob, struggle to come down on either side of the fence here. I can understand the reasoning for only placing him in an appropriate zoo [and there not being one] where interbreeding wouldn't be an issue and saving places where it is for an animal that is suitable.
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Like Yorkshire who stressed they had a space for him in an all male bachelor herd?
 
viv1969 said:
Are Giraffes classed as endangered?
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As a species there are around 80k left in the wild so they aren't listed as endangered per se - there are two sub species that are endangered however , which are the West African Girrafe G.C. peralta , and Rothschilds Girrafe G.c. rothchildi

However even assuming Marius was one of the less endangered sub species , there is no call to put him down for no real reason.
 
Nod said:
Garry, if you read the BBC story, it states that a bolt gun was used - surely safer than a rifle? I wonder how easy and stress free a journey from Copenhagen to Yorkshire would have been for what I understand is usually a nervous and flighty species. As I understand it, giraffes are not easy to anesthetise safely or even sedate.
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Yes, I was wrong on that, reports say that a captive bolt pistol was used.
As for safer, I've never shot a giraffe and may be talking nonsense, but some animals react violently when shot in head, some just drop dead, it varies. When an animal involultarily lashes out or somersaults it's obviously dangerous to the person with the captive bolt pistol unless the animal is confined in a crush.

Horses are shot with a free bullet, for this reason - either a handgun at about a metre or a rifle from a safer distance. They frequently somersault into the air, legs flailing, and land back first. You wouldn't want to get in the way of that.
Horse slaughtermen normally (not always) use a pistol, and step backwards as soon as they have fired.My own experience is (thankfully) limited to emergency euthanasia, I don't have their skills or experience and play safe by using a rifle from further away.
 
Blimey. I've been away for a week and now we're all supposed to be experts on giraffes, freestyle snowboarding and river dredging. I'm still trying to keep up with NekNominate.
 
big soft moose said:
As a species there are around 80k left in the wild so they aren't listed as endangered per se - there are two sub species that are endangered however , which are the West African Girrafe G.C. peralta , and Rothschilds Girrafe G.c. rothchildi

However even assuming Marius was one of the less endangered sub species , there is no call to put him down for no real reason.
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Indeed. I merely asked a question.
 
Indeed and I merely answered it :thinking:
 
They couldn't give it the snip due to 97/476/EEC Working at height regulations. The vet would not be able to work off a step ladder and the giraffe wouldn't stand still long enough for them to erect a scaffold platform...


(Sorry, couldn't resist)


At best this whole thing is somewhat insensitive. Taking at face value the need to cull the giraffe, they could have destroyed the animal and butchered it without doing so in the public eye.

At worst it's some kind of mis-directed publicity stunt...
 
My view is zoo's run with the banner of "we care for and love animals" then shoot them even if fit and healthy for some gene-pool crap theory.

Just issue male giraffes with condoms....simples.
 
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