So many 7d's for sale.....

Robbo said:
Was that plucked from thin air ? Lol

Think you would be surprised how many don't.

If I am paying 1000s on a camera I want the best features for pictures, not paying so much extra for a video feature.

If I want vedio I would buy a video camera,
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I think you'd be more surprised by how many do!!
 
neil_g said:
so what.. the 1D is bombproof and for you can pick up some hobbiest barely used models for that sort of money too.
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so what?

The what is thousands of people like to buy their cameras new, when canon look at their prices they don't compare what prices bodies are going for second hand they marry the range up from rrp
 
joescrivens said:
i agree with all but this

If it's portraits & landscapes, then you need a 5DII, but if it's wildlife or sports, then the 7D hits the mark.

I was more than happy with the portraits and landscapes on my 7d. I'd like to change this mentality of portraits and landscapes for the 5d and wildlife and sports for the 7d.

I think it's more about full or crop. Obviously there are advantages to portraits and landscapes with a full frame, but it's not one or the other otherwise it would be: 5d or 1ds for portraits and landscapes everything else from 1000d up to 7d for wildlife and sports!

The 7d is no worse at portrait and landscapes than the 40d, or the 50d, or the 550d etc. It's about whether you want the full frame sensor or not.
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Yeah I guess I kind of agree, but the resolution and depth of colour on the 5D make it so good for those two particular types of shooting (but that is down to the fact that it is a FF sensor !!)

Steve
 
Jelster said:
Yeah I guess I kind of agree, but the resolution and depth of colour on the 5D make it so good for those two particular types of shooting (but that is down to the fact that it is a FF sensor !!)

Steve
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I hear you, it just always annoyed me that people would pigeon hole the 7d this way like if you wanted to take portraits and landscapes with the 7d you had chose the wrong camera - not the case. Yet they wouldn't say the same about the 50d - the 7d is better at sports and wildlife than the 50d but it isn't worse at portraits and landscapes
 
joescrivens said:
the video capabilities of it alone put it miles ahead of the 50d and the 550d.
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Just curious on this, what extras does the 7D have over the 550 video wise?
 
Jelster said:
I don't understand why people would spend the best part of £1200 on a camera and then move it on, making a loss so quickly. Especially when that camera is one of the best pieces of equipment to come out of the canon stable for a long time.

The 7D brings all that is good about the 1 series to the masses (well, a lot more people anyway). If you shoot anything that moves, the 7d is excellent, and it's not that bad at portraits either.

I must concur with one of the statements above that people are buying the wrong camera to start with. If it's portraits & landscapes, then you need a 5DII, but if it's wildlife or sports, then the 7D hits the mark. They are both very different tools.

I absolutely love my 7D - it does everything I need and more. Sure, I'd love a 5DII also, but the 7D has really improved my photography. I'm so much more confident with it, it focuses so quickly, and it handles complex metering very well.

There may be better Nikons, but I shoot Canon, and as I also have a Canon film camera why would I change ?

Horses for courses, and people should think more about the equipment they buy before handing over their hard earned cash - I debated the 5D/7D thing for a day or so, but after trying both realised that the 7D was better suited to my needs.

Steve
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You've obviously made a good choice, an informed choice and it works for you. You say the 7D has improved your photography. No it hasn't, what it's done is help you to improve your photography. You've improved your work, not the camera. At best the camera has merely facilitated it.

This may seem a bit pedantic but I think it is important and perhaps why so may top grade cameras get sold on so quickly. Both inexperienced and poor (in trems of skill, not money) photographers often fall into the trap of believing that it is their gear rather than a lack of experience or talent that is holding them back. They bend the plastic for a 7D or 5DII, convinced that it will mark a turning point in their photographic acomplishments and of course it doesn't. Disillusioned, they trade it in and move on to the next magical piece of equipment that overnight will turn them into a master.

Why does this seem to particularly affect Canon? Because to the uninitiated 12mp on the Nikon D700 is derisory (after all, it's pixels and lots of them that make good pictures) and the D3x is too expensive. Nobody in their right minds would consider Olympus or Pentax and Sony just doesn't have the kudos to mark the owner out as a "serious" photographer.

That leaves the 7D and the 5DII. It's no reflection on these two very fine cameras but it is a sad reflection on some of the hopefulls who buy them for all the wrong reasons. :)
 
Cranky said:
Just curious on this, what extras does the 7D have over the 550 video wise?
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well the ISO performance on the 7d is better than the 550d so video in low light will be better.

Also the 550d uses sd card and I think the fastest card is 20mb/s (correct me if I am wrong?) whereas I used the 60mb/s compact flash of the 7d.

Also size, the 550d being smaller I would imagine would be harder to hold and use for competant video (but thats just me guessing)
 
RevOnline said:
Wow, bloody surprising on a photography forum that you weren't buying a camera to record video isn't it. I will look forward to more of your amazing revelations!

The point you're missing is that if you bought a video camera in that sort of budget, you'd probably get a 7D or 5DmkII. They're amazing.

Eg. http://philipbloom.net/2010/04/10/house-season-finale-shot-entirely-with-canon-5dmkii/
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That first line was totally pointless going against what you say in the second bit about house using a CAMERA to use as a VIDEO.

So in the case as house used it, all video cameras are now rendered useless.... Let's see them make a big Hollywood movie with a 5d.... Oh wait, no, I think they use expensive video cameras as that's what they were designed to do.

Maybe I should buy a video camera and use it as a camera as they have picture capturing capabilities.

End of the day, I would rather have x amount of money they spend on video and get more or better features used on taking pictures.
 
Robbo said:
That first line was totally pointless going against what you say in the second bit about house using a CAMERA to use as a VIDEO.

So in the case as house used it, all video cameras are now rendered useless.... Let's see them make a big Hollywood movie with a 5d.... Oh wait, no, I think they use expensive video cameras as that's what they were designed to do.

Maybe I should buy a video camera and use it as a camera as they have picture capturing capabilities.

End of the day, I would rather have x amount of money they spend on video and get more or better features used on taking pictures.
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But you and I are in the minority on this one and camera manufacturers exist to sell cameras. :)
 
Robbo said:
That first line was totally pointless going against what you say in the second bit about house using a CAMERA to use as a VIDEO.

So in the case as house used it, all video cameras are now rendered useless.... Let's see them make a big Hollywood movie with a 5d.... Oh wait, no, I think they use expensive video cameras as that's what they were designed to do.

Maybe I should buy a video camera and use it as a camera as they have picture capturing capabilities.

End of the day, I would rather have x amount of money they spend on video and get more or better features used on taking pictures.
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but you realise adding video to these cameras was a very small amount of functionality. They already had live view so adding video is more a formality.

What people who don't use their video features realise when they say "If I wanted to record video I'd buy a camcorder" is ....

try buying a camcorder that can take the quality of video that a 550d, 7d or 5d MK 2 can - you'll be looking at somewhere in the region of 4 grand at least. You can't get the same video quality from a prosumer camcorder - not to mention the fact those of us who love video now get to only carry one machine and can now take advantage of all our glass across two mediums
 
neil_g said:
the 1Dmk3 2nd hand is very much the same sort of price as a 7D..
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There are some dodgy 1dmkIIIs about and of course 2nd hand you get no warranty like you would buying a 7D.


The debate about 7D vs 5DII in terms of crop vs FF is fine as long as you don't mind the chance that you might need a few new lenses. If you have a few that work well for you on a 1.6x crop then they will obvisouly not work so well on FF and you will have to fork out again for a set with different focal lengths.
I have thought long and hard about getting a 5DII as I shoot aviation/motorsport and landscape/travel mostly so both ends of the spectrum. It's the cost of having to get more lenses if I got a 5DII that has always put me off.
 
Double post but don't know how to delete it. :thinking:
 
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Robbo said:
End of the day, I would rather have x amount of money they spend on video and get more or better features used on taking pictures.
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I'm not sure you understand how digital cameras work.
 
goldenlight said:
That leaves the 7D and the 5DII. It's no reflection on these two very fine cameras but it is a sad reflection on some of the hopefulls who buy them for all the wrong reasons. :)
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Interesting. Whilst walking about Rhodes town last week on holiday I was interested in how many Canon cameras there were versus Nikon, about a factor of 20:1. Of this there were a lot of 550 and 500D's but a significant number of 5Dmk2's which I couldn't help notice a lot were on green square mode, which may be indicative of your comments above.
 
Byker28i said:
Interesting. Whilst walking about Rhodes town last week on holiday I was interested in how many Canon cameras there were versus Nikon, about a factor of 20:1. Of this there were a lot of 550 and 500D's but a significant number of 5Dmk2's which I couldn't help notice a lot were on green square mode, which may be indicative of your comments above.
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:D I also noticed this in Rome a few weeks ago, I saw lots of people having the flash pop up everytime they took a picture during the day :D
 
joescrivens said:
well the ISO performance on the 7d is better than the 550d so video in low light will be better.

Also the 550d uses sd card and I think the fastest card is 20mb/s (correct me if I am wrong?) whereas I used the 60mb/s compact flash of the 7d.

Also size, the 550d being smaller I would imagine would be harder to hold and use for competant video (but thats just me guessing)
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I know for critical focus the HDMI output is used onto a larger external screen and the 7D has a higher res output than the 5dmk2 and so is preferred.
EDIT: found it - HDMI output is 720p on the 7D but 480ish on the 5D mk2.

Robbo said:
That first line was totally pointless going against what you say in the second bit about house using a CAMERA to use as a VIDEO.

So in the case as house used it, all video cameras are now rendered useless.... Let's see them make a big Hollywood movie with a 5d.... Oh wait, no, I think they use expensive video cameras as that's what they were designed to do.
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We've had these discussions before Robbo, and several major film producers are using 7D's and 5D's in current productions, people like Spielberg, Rick Macullum of LucasFilms etc. They are being used in tight situations like in car shots, cockpit shots etc.

Getting used extensively in music video's and advertising now as well i.e. Suzuki
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0G95xKj1LE&feature=player_embedded

Dorito's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KHJiFNCqYk&feature=related

Nokia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONQzrs0QV10&feature=related

It's a huge growing market.
 
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Byker28i said:
Interesting. Whilst walking about Rhodes town last week on holiday I was interested in how many Canon cameras there were versus Nikon, about a factor of 20:1. Of this there were a lot of 550 and 500D's but a significant number of 5Dmk2's which I couldn't help notice a lot were on green square mode, which may be indicative of your comments above.
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this also has an affect on the number of cameras you see for sale - more canons in the field = more being sold second hand compared to nikons
 
One thing that is holding back the use of 7D's in mainstream UK is that hey are not BBC broadcast approved yet, therefore film producers are limitted to the amaount of DSLR footage they can use.
 
Don't want to get into the video debate too much but they would be a million times more useful for me if they had full time AF and zoom capability. Not having them is fine for some situations but I would love to make some aviation clips but not having these features makes video on my 7D all but useless for this.
 
Not sure you will see acomplished AF on a DSLR for along time due to the sensor size and depth of field issues, especially when shooting in full HD. Focussing needs to be spot on otherwise the shot is dead.
 
Yup manual focus at the moment, but there's cheaper and better rigs with focus pullers coming onto the market all the time as this really starts to take off.
But then You tend to shoot video differently to photo's anyway, apart from playing with a 3d camera setup the other week I realised it was easier to use as a normal camera and let the depth of field do the work for me. It looked much more natural.

Forgot to mention, the adult film industry are also starting to use DSLR's heavily as well, plus Red Tails is the Lucas film currently in production.
 
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EMA747 said:
Don't want to get into the video debate too much but they would be a million times more useful for me if they had full time AF and zoom capability. Not having them is fine for some situations but I would love to make some aviation clips but not having these features makes video on my 7D all but useless for this.
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it won't happen, or at least it shouldn't happen!

video with a dSLR is so much more than with a camcorder- it's proper video, and that requires manual focus!
 
joescrivens said:
it won't happen, or at least it shouldn't happen!

video with a dSLR is so much more than with a camcorder- it's proper video, and that requires manual focus!
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I don't think it will happen either, at least not for a long time. If it did it would kill off loads of pro video cameras. I guess the likes of Canon who make both still and video cameras won't push to incroperate the two. ;)

DSRL video is more for the "arty" type stuff imo. :naughty: For anying sports, aviation etc with fast moving subjects or where you need to focus instantly its useless. :gag:
 
joescrivens said:
it won't happen, or at least it shouldn't happen!
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It just has!!

Look at the specs for the new A33 and A55 with their translucent mirrors and phase dectect AF.


I will concede however that they are technically not dSLRs as they have EVF's rather than prisms!
 
EMA747 said:
I don't think it will happen either, at least not for a long time. If it did it would kill off loads of pro video cameras. I guess the likes of Canon who make both still and video cameras won't push to incroperate the two. ;)

DSRL video is more for the "arty" type stuff imo. :naughty: For anying sports, aviation etc with fast moving subjects or where you need to focus instantly its useless. :gag:
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depends, if you want to stick the aperture at 22 with the right lens you'll keep it all in focus anyway
 
DemiLion said:
It just has!!

Look at the specs for the new A33 and A55 with their translucent mirrors and phase dectect AF.


I will concede however that they are technically not dSLRs as they have EVF's rather than prisms!
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but hang on, are you talking about automatic focus as in you do nothing, or are you talking about pressing a button to autofocus whilst shooting - if the latter then you can already do this on the 7d etc
 
joescrivens said:
but hang on, are you talking about automatic focus as in you do nothing, or are you talking about pressing a button to autofocus whilst shooting - if the latter then you can already do this on the 7d etc
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Fair point. I was concentration on phase v contrast AF. I suspect that you will still have to nudge it!
 
poeple thint that the camera take the pictures . many believe that the more expensive the camera the better the pictures. this has never been the case.

the top nikons and canon are quite complex to use.

cheers Steve
 
RevOnline said:
I'm not sure you understand how digital cameras work.
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Yes I do!

There are little minions inside who quickly peek out the front and use different colour paint balls to shoot at the canvas to create the pixels.

My canon is a 15.1 MP (Minion Paintballers)

:-)
 
Robbo said:
Yes I do!

There are little minions inside who quickly peek out the front and use different colour paint balls to shoot at the canvas to create the pixels.

My canon is a 15.1 MP (Minion Paintballers)

:-)
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:lol:
 
steve_lyt said:
poeple thint that the camera take the pictures . many believe that the more expensive the camera the better the pictures. this has never been the case.

the top nikons and canon are quite complex to use.

cheers Steve
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why did you thank yourself?
 
cmjt_uk said:
One thing that is holding back the use of 7D's in mainstream UK is that hey are not BBC broadcast approved yet, therefore film producers are limitted to the amaount of DSLR footage they can use.
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Could you tell me more about this? I was not aware that the BBC had to 'broadcast approve' any cameras. How is any production is 'limited' to the 'amount of footage' that they can use. What do they limit?
 
Robbo said:
So in the case as house used it, all video cameras are now rendered useless.... Let's see them make a big Hollywood movie with a 5d.... Oh wait, no, I think they use expensive video cameras as that's what they were designed to do.

Maybe I should buy a video camera and use it as a camera as they have picture capturing capabilities.

End of the day, I would rather have x amount of money they spend on video and get more or better features used on taking pictures.
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The finale of the sixth season of the American medical drama, House, was shot entirely on 5DMkII's earlier this year.

7D's are very commonly used in advert, music videos and TV production. My wife (who is a focus puller) was doing a worldwide commercial for a very well-known flat pack furniture retailer recently and they had multiple D7's set up to shoot the ad that will be shown on TV and in cinemas.

Do you think they should have used video cameras instead?
 
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