So I've bitten the bullet and purchased a 450D...

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...and I was just wondering if anybody has any starting tips for me?

It's the first time I'll have had my mits on a DSLR - bar holding one in the shop.

Are there any quirks of this particular camera that I'd benefit from knowing about? Any great tips in general?

I just have the standard kit lens that is normally sold with these cameras - so any tips with that would be great.

Also - ISO - what the hell is that all about? Can someone point me in the directions of some fab, easy to read links or summarise the important bits for me?

I'm beyond excited, I wish it were Wednesday already!!
 
oOOoo thank you - very helpful indeed.. :]
 
Congratulations. Bought the same as you a week or so back. I've invested in a decent padded bag, a 8gb memory card and a screen protector (that screen already has my manky fingerprints all over it!). Am now saving for my first lens, after some advice on here I'm going for the Canon 55-250. Also considering getting the battery grip for the camera. Think that's the right term?!

Have fun playing with your new toy!
 
What exactly does the battery grip do - I know that the name sounds self explanatory - but I've never bothered to ask or look...

I can't wait to get it - Wednesday is going to take FOREVER to get here LOL
 
...and I was just wondering if anybody has any starting tips for me?

It's the first time I'll have had my mits on a DSLR - bar holding one in the shop.

Are there any quirks of this particular camera that I'd benefit from knowing about? Any great tips in general?

I just have the standard kit lens that is normally sold with these cameras - so any tips with that would be great.

Also - ISO - what the hell is that all about? Can someone point me in the directions of some fab, easy to read links or summarise the important bits for me?

I'm beyond excited, I wish it were Wednesday already!!

Good look with it, as a relative newcomer the one bit of advice I would offer is put it on manual and stay in manual - you'll soon learn, you have no choice :lol:

You might find this site useful

http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials.htm
 
What exactly does the battery grip do - I know that the name sounds self explanatory - but I've never bothered to ask or look...

I can't wait to get it - Wednesday is going to take FOREVER to get here LOL

Grip takes 2 batteries instead of one (but seeing as you get 500-600 shots per battery this is rarely of use unless you are going nuts with it) most important thing is the second shutter button in the vertical so it is handier when using portrait mode.

Also, i wouldnt recommend manual mode, just pointless unless using flash or other very constant lighting. I use aperture priority mode most of the time as usually depth of field effects are more important (and you might actually get the exposure correct) Shutter priority when you need movement in the shot.
 
Battery grip also makes the camera feel a bit more weighty. Some like it, others don't. I had a play in Jessops and liked the extra heft.
 
Ah, thanks guys.. :]

I may pop into Jessops and see what's all about - though to be honest, I was pretty happy with the feel of the camera as it was...

Hm, I can barely contain my excitement! :D
 
I bought the 500D 2 weeks ago and got the Grip from Cherokee on here in the used section, love the extra weight :)

Already upgraded to 70-300mm kit lens lol...
 
Now you've went and spent a few hundred pounds on a nice camera and you WILL be spending several hundred more on lenses for it, you need to spend about £15 on a book called "Understanding Exposure" by Brian Peterson. This book came highly recommneded to me when i bought my first DSLR and it's been invaluable to me since. Explains all about ISO, apature, shutter speed, how to take different styles of shots, filters, etc. I can't recommend it highly enough to be honest :)
 
Good luck with your new camera. Once you learn the basics (ISO, shutter speed, using different apertures) you'll love your new cam...
 
...and I was just wondering if anybody has any starting tips for me?

It's the first time I'll have had my mits on a DSLR - bar holding one in the shop.

Are there any quirks of this particular camera that I'd benefit from knowing about? Any great tips in general?

I just have the standard kit lens that is normally sold with these cameras - so any tips with that would be great.

Also - ISO - what the hell is that all about? Can someone point me in the directions of some fab, easy to read links or summarise the important bits for me?

I'm beyond excited, I wish it were Wednesday already!!


From someone who has to, erm, 'put up' with one, let me give you a few tips. (Its a love/hate relationship with my 450D... :D)

The autofocus system on mine, a friend's and another friend's isn't all that good. I've concluded that generally to folk with an eye for detail, the 450D's AF system is probably a bit shoddy. I get around this by simply using manual focus, or contrast-detect autofocus in Live View. This is the same, ridiculously slow method that compacts use, but it gives pin sharp results. And I mean pin sharp.

If you are going to use the quick autofocus, I would advise you use centre point only. It has extra sensitivity at F/2.8 too, and if you let the camera decide where to focus, it doesn't always get it right.

Try not to use ISO 1600. Ever. It's a noise fest of completely and utterly noisy images, and the amount of noise removal required to get rid of noise will just ruin the image. In exceptional circumstances (flash helps, or if the light isn't diabolical) you _can_ get away with ISO 1600. Noise actually starts to creep in at ISO 800 and in some circumstances is even very slightly visible at 400. Generally speaking with mine I try to compromise ISO last; and I find 200/400 generally my best bet. With a really fast lens like the 50 f/1.8 you might as well drop it to 100 in daylight.

If you're wondering what ISO is, it's just a sensitivity scale. back in the days of film, different rolls would have a different ISO number and this denoted how sensitive it was. ISO 200 for instance is twice as sensitive as ISO 100, meaning it needs only half the amount of time the shutter is open, to give the same exposure. High ISO on digital makes noisy images because the signal from the sensor is simply amplified, meaning any noise is also amplified.

When you're taking photographs try to avoid F/22 - that's when the aperture of the lens is really small, and can, allegedly, cause diffraction. In laymens terms that means a poorer quality image. Also, to get well exposed images when the aperture is that small, you need good light or a really slow shutter speed, or high ISO. Some lenses are also quite soft wide open (low F/ number, with the aperture open as far as it will go) so avoid wide open as well unless you need it in low light or you want max depth of field effects.

On modern lenses the aperture does not open and close correspondingly to you changing its value on screen - it simply closes to the selected value when the shutter fires. To 'preview' what it will look like in your viewfinder, press the DOF preview button on your camera, which is just to the top left of the '450D' logo. This actually closes the aperture blades to the value you have set, thus darkening the VF slightly and showing the actual image that the sensor will see (except for exposure as this depends on how long the shutter is open for). If you have a nifty fifty, look into the aperture as you press the DOF preview and you'll see the aperture fins close to the specified value.

To turn on focusing in live view, see the custom functions menus. Make sure to turn on 'contrast detect' focus and not the quick focus for best results.

Finally, the pop up flash doesn't work well with lenses wider than about 17mm, but it makes a great 'fill in' flash. This is when your settings are ample to expose the background, but your foreground (maybe a person's face?) needs a bit of light throwing onto it to complete the picture.

Here is an example of a fill in flash that I used to throw light onto the intended subject:

Stuffonthefloor.jpg



Also, have a think about rule of thirds. This is easy to accomplish with live view on the camera because it has lines on the screen which help you compose the subject. Rule of thirds basically involves offsetting your subject to a 'third' of the frame of the image to give it a nice, aesthetically pleasing look. Here is an example... *shameless plug*

Valveinfrontofthewatertank.jpg


Rather than just sticking the valve in the middle of the image, which would make it look lifeless, i put it at the bottom and left the top fairly plain with as much bokeh as that lens could handle.
 
Oh my gosh, thanks for taking the time to type all of that! Some really good advice to get me started on there, definitely :]
 
If you are running a marathon then you have to train for a while. Photography is like a never ending marathon, so you will always be learning!!

My best advice is to pick an aspect of photography to learn. Could be ISO, Aperture, Shutter Speeds, post processing etc........

Then devote some time to learning about it. Could be a day, week, month what ever is best for you. During the learning period try some practical stuff to see what you have learnt in action.

You are going to get frustrated, period. There will be times when you just don't get it. Everyone has those times. Like anything, you get out what you put in.

When you start getting results and hang one of your pictures on your wall then all the headaches will be forgotton.

Oh, have fun. thats the most important thing.
 
Emma

Just enjoy yourself! 450D is a great starting camera. Had mines a year now and learning more every day. Don't get too hung up on all the "rules" either! Think of them more as "guidelines".

You could get a Nifty Fifty (Canon 50mm 1.8) off of Kerso on here if you've got a spare £70. It'll make you think a lot more about what you're doing with exposures and the quality is amazing for the money.

Have fun! :thumbs:
 
Hmph, I'll never get to sleep tonight, I actually feel like I did as a child on Christmas Eve! Tomorrow's the day!!

I hope it arrives in the morning and not the afternoon, I'll go crazy! Ha :]
 
Try not to use ISO 1600. Ever. It's a noise fest of completely and utterly noisy images, and the amount of noise removal required to get rid of noise will just ruin the image.

Not quite true - all the images I posted here:

http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=2435088#post2435088

were shot at 1600 - what is true is that a lower ISO is better than just using the default settings in virtually all NR software which will definitely destroy a lot of detail.

As an example here is a shot of a sparrow at 1600 ISO where virtually NO detail has been lost at all:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/20926615@N05/4409062716/sizes/o/

This is approx a 60% crop.
 
Ive just bought a 450d (had a Sony A200) and I find the autofocus slightly better than the Sony.

Also at 1600ISO the noise is much better than the Sony
 
Not quite true - all the images I posted here:

http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=2435088#post2435088

were shot at 1600 - what is true is that a lower ISO is better than just using the default settings in virtually all NR software which will definitely destroy a lot of detail.

As an example here is a shot of a sparrow at 1600 ISO where virtually NO detail has been lost at all:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/20926615@N05/4409062716/sizes/o/

This is approx a 60% crop.

Hmph. Well I must be doing something wrong then.
 
Hi Emma,
congratulations on getting into DSLR photography. I'm sure you'll find it addictive!
The kit lens that you mention is the 18-55IS I presume. This is a very capable lens and I recommend that you learn how to use it effectivly before you buy another lens.You can read a review of this lens at www.photozone.de and they were very impressed.
You need to establish what kind of photography interests you e.g. landscapes or street or indoors and this more than anything will guide you as to your choice of next lens.
TBH I have seen some excellent pictures taken with the 450D and it's certainly capable of producing good results with the correct exposure and lens.
 
You will love it, try and discipline yourself to get familiar with shutter and aperture priority and then progress to manual.
There are some very good and inexpensive CANON printers about that, because the electronics and software are matched,means that faithful reproductions without colour cast are avoided, to constantly try and correct can get expensive in paper and ink.
If you start getting some heavier lenses then you may find that it feels a bit nose heavy, and the grip would rebalance matters.
Looking forward to seeing some photees.....enjoy
 
Today's the day!

Now, will it arrive during the am or will I have to wait for the pm before it's delivered?

*taps fingers impatiently*
 
Emma there is nothing worse i know.. hopefully it will be with you very soon then you just have to get the battery charged.. while that is happening you can read the manual.

Enjoy and welcome to Tp
 
Today's the day!

Now, will it arrive during the am or will I have to wait for the pm before it's delivered?

*taps fingers impatiently*

What ever happens it will be a long day. The longest part will be the hr or so waiting for the battery to charge. I had that pain on Sunday :lol:
 
What ever happens it will be a long day. The longest part will be the hr or so waiting for the battery to charge. I had that pain on Sunday :lol:
Haha, well I'm hoping at it's a second hand purchase, one of the two batteries it comes with will have been charged by the chap i bought it from LOL

*takes a brake from tapping her fingers to cross them for luck*
 
here is hoping for you... looking forward to seeing some of your shots
 
Oh dear me... nearly lunch time.. *sobs*
 
Today's the day!

Now, will it arrive during the am or will I have to wait for the pm before it's delivered?

*taps fingers impatiently*

I know that game v well

its when you refresh the rm track and trace thing 5 times in a minute that you realise it might be worth a chill out :D
 
i am feeling your pain...i remember it sooo well..

Gosh, I know - thanks for the empathy :lol:

It of course makes it worse that patience is not a virtue I possess even a tiny amount of - except with my children, most of the time haha..

Usually, parcels have a nasty habit of turning up in the 20 minutes it takes me to do the school run - though mercifully, my partner is off work today, so there'll definitely be somebody in.

I really don't think my nerves could take it if I had to leave the house, missed the delivery and had to re-arrange for 48 hours later - I'd probably go into premature labour bore out of sheer frustration and anger..

You'll all know when it's arrived, you won't see me for dust until I resurface tomorrow..:thumbs:
 
It's your partner that needs patience.... You will definately spend more time with your new toy and on here than with them (for a while at least).

Also, learn to use RAW rather than JPEG. So much more versatile and can help cover up mistakes you make in camera. Also get yourself PhotoShop CS or Elements...
 
It's your partner that needs patience.... You will definately spend more time with your new toy and on here than with them (for a while at least).

Also, learn to use RAW rather than JPEG. So much more versatile and can help cover up mistakes you make in camera. Also get yourself PhotoShop CS or Elements...

Ah my partner is either working 7pm til 7am and then sleeping through the day, or he's on day shift 7am-7pm - so plenty of time for me to 'play' and not have to cut into our time :)

I already planned to use RAW files for processing and I already have LR and Elements :]

Admittedly, it's going to take me a while to get the hang of both - though I've downloaded a few presets for LR and a few brushes to help get me started..
 
It's here!! It's here!! Speak to all tomorrow haha :D
 
rheinhessen,

Glad your delivery has arrived!!

With regards to a battery grip, I bought one for my 450d from ebay. It was about £35-£40 with two batteries (see link)http://stores.shop.ebay.co.uk/Hong-Kong-Supplies__W0QQ_armrsZ1. I have used it loads of times and it is still going strong - personally I think it balances the camera nicely and the shutter release helps for portrait shots.

Here is a link for some info from when the grip was discussed on here some time ago http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=98955&highlight=phottix+battery
 
How's the camera going, did you get your first sunset?
 
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