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I use LR exclusively, and see that it applies a small amount of sharpening to the shot. I've read on these forums before about High pass and Low pass, but I presume this is purely for PS users.
What should I be doing in LR to get the best results from my RAW files, primarily for Landscape and Motorsport?
Am I likely to see a marked difference in end product if I pay more attention to this in the future??

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I'm far from expert, but I think that having skills in sharpening can play a big part in the final result, but the benefit and the approach required vary depending upon a number of factors. e.g. :

- How sharp the shot is to begin with
- How noisy the shot is to begin with
- How much fine detail is present
- How much cropping is required
- Pixel size of sensor
- Output size
- Output medium
- Aesthetic goals

Within Lightroom I find one of the most valuable controls to be the Edge Masking slider, which adjusts whereabouts in an image the sharpening is applied. This control can be used to limit sharpening effects to only high contrast boundaries - i.e. edges - and avoid plain/smooth areas for which sharpening is neither desired nor welcome - such as the sky - especially if the picture is noisy. Once you have targeted the areas to be sharpened you may find that you can apply a little more sharpening than usual to get the edges to crispen up nicely. However, you need to be careful not to go overboard and end up with halos around your subject - a technique favoured by some, but which I find ugly.

The sharpening adjustments should be applied when viewing at 100%, because any other size is not an accurate representation of the changes being applied. Once you have the image looking good at 100% within Lightroom you need to turn your attention to producing the final output. When you export files there is an additional sharpening option to be considered - Output Sharpening. Assuming that you are outputting for web use then probably you will be resizing your image to make it smaller. In so doing much of that fine detail you so studiously massaged and refined at 100% is suddenly going to get squeezed into a far smaller space and a lot of it will be consumed and destroyed. That's fine, but you need to consider applying some output sharpening as the last step before saving so that you can restore some pop back into the shrunken image. I don't print, so I usually have Output Sharpening set to Standard for Screen and leave it like that.

For an image which is sharp to begin with and yet is only going to be viewed at small sizes you may find it a waste of time to bother sharpening within Lightroom as the details will disappear when you resize. For such images Output Sharpening alone may well be enough. On the other hand, if you are going to be making massive crops, maybe even 100%, for final output then it may pay dividends to fine tune sharpening within Lightroom before you export for print or web.

Here is an example of some fine tuning within Lightroom at 100%. The subject is so small in the frame that 100% use would not be unrealistic, so I think it's worth putting in the effort if the image is to be used at all. For this example I started by adjusting the Edge Masking, because I did not wish any sharpening to be applied to the sky or smooth surfaces of the aircraft. Then it was a question of tweaking the other sliders until I was satisfied. It's worth a note that after sharpening the image was still a little flat so I also ramped up the Clarity slider just a bit, to deepen the blacks and add some highlight sparkle.

Unfortunately I think the JPEG screen print has slightly compromised the comparison here, but the improvement is still visible....

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If we look at the final output (cropped and resized to 50%) before and after the sharpening (both have output sharpening applied) the difference is still there and quite clear to see.

As shot :
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With additional Lightroom sharpening and some clarity :
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one of the most important things to know about sharpening is that it never adds detail.
It just delineates the detail already there.

Over sharpening can destroy detail.
 
Sharpening in RAW (ACR) is not really advised. If you can't apply sharpening outside of ACR, be very selective in what areas of the image to apply sharpening to (which you should do anyway regardless of whether you are sharpening in ACR or not.) I tend to use a Ps action for sharpening/resizing and Unsharp Mask (via duplicated layer & layer mask) for sharpening full res images.

The other thing to consider is, are you sharpening the image at it's native size (for printing) or are you sharpening the image whilst resizing for the web etc?? The procedure will be very different.
 
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I'm far from expert, but I think that having skills in sharpening can play a big part in the final result, but the benefit and the approach required vary depending upon a number of factors. e.g. :

- How sharp the shot is to begin with
- How noisy the shot is to begin with
- How much fine detail is present
- How much cropping is required
- Pixel size of sensor
- Output size
- Output medium
- Aesthetic goals

Within Lightroom I find one of the most valuable controls to be the Edge Masking slider..........................

I am not yet a Lightroom user, but thank you for the very detailed reply / tutorial - how to effectively sharpen was one issue I had on my list before considering purchasing Lightroom - Thanks :thumbs:
 
....Lots of good info...

Tim, thanks so much for the detailed and informative reply. I have had a read through, and will read it through again before attempting to apply it to some shots. The examples helped too, and I can see the marked difference between the before and after shots.
Just wanted to give a big thumbs up to you for taking the time to break it down for me! Really appreciated!
 
No problem. So long as it's helpful then it's worth the effort.

Another way to view sharpening is as a three stage process, which has a lot to do with the technology involved.

1. Capture sharpening
This is a basic level of sharpening applied by default to overcome inherent image softness caused by the AA filter covering the sensor. In Lightroom, when you shoot raw, the sharpening is already set to 25 in order to slightly sharpen the image as your starting point.

2. Creative sharpening
This is where you decide which areas of an image to sharpen/enhance further and which ones to purposely not sharpen. For example, in a portrait you may want to sharpen the eyes and hair, but soften the skin a little and the background a little more. Up to a point you can achieve some of that, and quite possibly enough, by simply using the sliders in the Detail panel. However, you can also apply sharpening or softening using the Brush tool as well to target specific areas more carefully.

It is better to look upon sharpening as a way to further enhance a good image rather than to rescue a bad one, although sometimes rescue might be possible too.

3. Output sharpening
As I mentioned before, once you resize an image for the web a lot of your hard effort starts to disappear as pixels are merged together. If you go to print then ink/dye bleed will also cause details to merge very slightly. Thus once you have almost completed your piece of work ready for display/print the final thing to do is to sharpen it once more to a degree best suited to the display size and display medium. Lightroom offers varying degrees of output sharpening in the Export dialogue to allow you to tailor the sharpening as required. In Lightroom you can set up your own export presets so that you can easily have things set up to your liking for a variety of uses.
 
Thanks Tim been wanting to play with my images im gonna give it a go now:cool:
 
Great reply by tdodd. I think the edge masking slider is one I already use. If you hold the alt key whilst moving the slider it shows a black and white representation of the mask. I find this very helpful when trying to see where the mask is being applied.
 
Great reply by tdodd. I think the edge masking slider is one I already use. If you hold the alt key whilst moving the slider it shows a black and white representation of the mask. I find this very helpful when trying to see where the mask is being applied.

Yep - extremely helpful. I should have mentioned that earlier.
 
Great thread, thanks tdodd!
 
No problem. So long as it's helpful then it's worth the effort.

Another way to view sharpening is as a three stage process, which has a lot to do with the technology involved.

1. Capture sharpening
This is a basic level of sharpening applied by default to overcome inherent image softness caused by the AA filter covering the sensor. In Lightroom, when you shoot raw, the sharpening is already set to 25 in order to slightly sharpen the image as your starting point.

2. Creative sharpening
This is where you decide which areas of an image to sharpen/enhance further and which ones to purposely not sharpen. For example, in a portrait you may want to sharpen the eyes and hair, but soften the skin a little and the background a little more. Up to a point you can achieve some of that, and quite possibly enough, by simply using the sliders in the Detail panel. However, you can also apply sharpening or softening using the Brush tool as well to target specific areas more carefully.

It is better to look upon sharpening as a way to further enhance a good image rather than to rescue a bad one, although sometimes rescue might be possible too.

3. Output sharpening
As I mentioned before, once you resize an image for the web a lot of your hard effort starts to disappear as pixels are merged together. If you go to print then ink/dye bleed will also cause details to merge very slightly. Thus once you have almost completed your piece of work ready for display/print the final thing to do is to sharpen it once more to a degree best suited to the display size and display medium. Lightroom offers varying degrees of output sharpening in the Export dialogue to allow you to tailor the sharpening as required. In Lightroom you can set up your own export presets so that you can easily have things set up to your liking for a variety of uses.

Thanks again Tim, some great knowledge imparted here. Hopefully it will help a lot of people that stumble across this thread, it's certainly helped my understanding of Sharpening.
Thanks very much for taking the time to write such detailed replies!:thumbs:
 
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