So according to experts strong canabis is bad for you

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Wow did we need a study to tell us that :-)
 
Psychosis refers to delusions or hallucinations that can be present in certain psychiatric conditions such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder.
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I know people who suffer from these conditions that have never touched the stuff.
 
The study found 25% of new cases had smoked skunk canabis thats kinda quite a powerful bit of data
 
I think so but then again I don't extract powerfull data or smoke drugs :-)
 
The only powerful data, is that it's a study of 780 subjects
 
Thats a lot of people then
 
new2me said:
I know people who suffer from these conditions that have never touched the stuff.
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I know people who have used the stuff for decades but who show no obvious signs of psychosis or schizophrenia. Not necessarily the skunk varieties, just "normal" weed.
 
Nod said:
I know people who have used the stuff for decades but who show no obvious signs of psychosis or schizophrenia. Not necessarily the skunk varieties, just "normal" weed.
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There can be a gradual change. I mean if it doesn't change them in anyway whats the point in using it
 
Nod said:
I know people who have used the stuff for decades but who show no obvious signs of psychosis or schizophrenia. Not necessarily the skunk varieties, just "normal" weed.
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Someone on the radio was saying that a lot of rasta's and others who use it as a part of their beliefs don't like the new stronger skunk-type weed which they say is almost all you can buy on the streets these days.
I gather that the survey was about skunk rather than plain old make-you-giggly weed..
 
mattyg said:
There can be a gradual change. I mean if it doesn't change them in anyway whats the point in using it
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Same as drinking, I suppose. Apart from those who are self medicating against glaucoma or using it as an anti emetic while on chemotherapy.
 
I've come across a fair number of turbo cabbage addicts who are missing a few cans from their 6 pack. However, which came first, the mental illness or the cannabis?
A few years ago it was said, apparently after medical studies that weed was more carcinogenic than tobacco. Correct or not, as in this latest study, possibly, or possibly its simply people who use either are more prone to the results found.
I'd still rather people didn't use it either way.
 
What`s the difference between weed and a pussy?
If you can smell weed across the room it means it`s good.
 
Bernie174 said:
I've come across a fair number of turbo cabbage addicts who are missing a few cans from their 6 pack. However, which came first, the mental illness or the cannabis?
A few years ago it was said, apparently after medical studies that weed was more carcinogenic than tobacco. Correct or not, as in this latest study, possibly, or possibly its simply people who use either are more prone to the results found.
I'd still rather people didn't use it either way.
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And how many "addicts" have you come across who are the full shilling and lead perfectly normal lives other than using a different drug of choice to yours? Before the demonization of most drugs in the 1930s, most now illegal drugs were used extensively by all levels of society, including Queen Victoria (who apparently used a tincture of cannabis against her crippling period pains).
 
Nod said:
And how many "addicts" have you come across who are the full shilling and lead perfectly normal lives other than using a different drug of choice to yours? Before the demonization of most drugs in the 1930s, most now illegal drugs were used extensively by all levels of society, including Queen Victoria (who apparently used a tincture of cannabis against her crippling period pains).
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Bit of a difference between "tincture of cannabis", and speedballing :lol:
 
And how many "addicts" have you come across who are the full shilling and lead perfectly normal lives other than using a different drug of choice to yours?
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Of those not using cannabis, not many. Of those using cannabis, about 50%. Not that that has any baring on what I said, which was to ask the question, which came first their addiction, or their mental health issues? The fact that one equals the other in many cases has long been known, more so amongst those of us who have had to deal with the sort of drug addiction that isn't talked about in liberal house dinner parties. What isn't certain, is the cause.
 
I've smoked a fair bit of skunk in my time. And nederwiet and Moroccan black. Can't say I've ever had an issue with it.

Didn't mix it with alcohol though or anything else. Just a variation of a normal cigarette after school. Heck I was given my first one by my parents just like others who give theirs alcohol.

But like many of these things and when I was looking into trials and effects of the central nervous system, a lot of drugs merely open a door (metaphorically speaking) to what is already there.

I'd love to read the full study and how they came to this conclusion or is it an observation?
 
This has been known for years so why all the sudden surprise, and why the surprise that if standard Marajuana causes schitsophrenia and psychosis why should the stronger skunk versions not also have the same effects.

It has been a known fact for many years that people from countries that have a high usage of Marajuana also contribute to some of the highest number of schizophrenics per head of population.

Just because you know someone who uses who appears to be unaffected does not make it the same for everyone. Just as we all know someone who smoked all their life and didn't die from lung cancer does not make smoking safe.
 
I've done a stint in Mental Health. The police knew when there was a new shipment of cannabis in because rates of admission for psychosis went up. You had more people being psychotic, being sectioned and treated.

Some people are keen to legalise cannabis, citing no harm. The very mild stuff that was smoked in the 60s and 70s was nothing compared to the hard stuff used today. It's the difference between drinking a pint of weak lager and a pint of vodka.
 
omens said:
I've done a stint in Mental Health. The police knew when there was a new shipment of cannabis in because rates of admission for psychosis went up. You had more people being psychotic, being sectioned and treated.

Some people are keen to legalise cannabis, citing no harm. The very mild stuff that was smoked in the 60s and 70s was nothing compared to the hard stuff used today. It's the difference between drinking a pint of weak lager and a pint of vodka.
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And yet its quite legal to drink a pint of vodka!

I came quite late into cannabis, mid to late 20's but its been my recreational drug of choice since then, I will be 58 next birthday. I've probably smoked, or vaped, most variations from the strongest skunk to the mildest of resins, oil, hash cakes, space yoghurts and wine. I am under no illusions that it can be harmful to your health, especially if smoked and for some vulnerable people it can bring to the surface any mental illness's they may have. But I am damned if I will be lectured to by a society whose recreational drug of choice, alcohol, causes 10% of death and disease in the uk with around almost 9,000 alcohol related deaths alone. The costs to the country is around £21 billion in associated health care and crime and lost productivity. As well as the numerous problems to society such as violence and crime with nearly half of all incidents of violence commited by someone under the influence of alcohol. So, personally I will stick to my cannabis whilst shaking my head at the sanctimonious and frankly pretty hypocritical warnings about cannabis whilst seemingly ignoring the far bigger elephant in the room.
 
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Mr Bump said:
Wow did we need a study to tell us that :)
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Well seemingly you did because that's not what they actually said. Its certain types of cannabis that's the problem and in fact they conclude that the use of hash, a milder form of the drug, was not associated with increased risk of psychosis.
 
Nod said:
Very little in the eyes of the laws of today.
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Though often quite different when the slaps are handed down by the courts :-)
 
jakeblu said:
Well seemingly you did because that's not what they actually said. Its certain types of cannabis that's the problem and in fact they conclude that the use of hash, a milder form of the drug, was not associated with increased risk of psychosis.
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ummm that's the title of the thread STRONGER is the key word, not milder..
 
jakeblu said:
Well seemingly you did because that's not what they actually said. Its certain types of cannabis that's the problem and in fact they conclude that the use of hash, a milder form of the drug, was not associated with increased risk of psychosis.
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isnt it also the case that cannabis abuse (rather than use) is the issue - in the same way that having a few social drinks is not detrimental to your health in the same way as being a hard core p***head is. If you wake up and imediately have a joint , and then chainsmoke them through the day because you are basically adicted to THC then you are going to have a problem ... pretty much like if the first thing you reach for when you wake up is a bottle of scotch.

Also with studies like this its difficult to have a scientific control - that is of the people who became psychotic after developing a skunk problem , theres no way of saying how many might have become psychotic anyway even if they'd never had any puff.
 
If you just add less to the joint then it's no more of a problem that the weaker strains it's up to the user to use their brain. If they're incapable of working that out then it's a case of Darwin proved right.
 
Personally i don't see the appeal of ultra strong skunk - I've had normal hash before and enjoyed it, but ,much as i'd quite happily have a glass of wine with freinds, rather than necking a litre of white lighting then vommiting on the table and passing out, I'd rather have a mild joint with friends and enjoy the relaxation than get totally out of my box
 
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Big Andy said:
If you just add less to the joint then it's no more of a problem that the weaker strains it's up to the user to use their brain. If they're incapable of working that out then it's a case of Darwin proved right.
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If they can't work it out it's because their brain is already f***ed up with drugs. Nothing to do with Darwin. Anyone with half a brain wouldn't go there in the first place.
 
This half a brain has been using it for most of my adult life, that's over 40 year now, and I repeat it doesn't mess your head up any more than alcohol and probably less. Just because you drink doesn't make you an alcoholic any more than enjoying a joint makes you a raving drug addict. Some do go down that path but that just proves Darwin right but they had a choice before they messed themselves up and chose which way to go.
 
Drugs are for mugs. End of!!:cool:
 
Big Andy said:
This half a brain has been using it for most of my adult life, that's over 40 year now, and I repeat it doesn't mess your head up any more than alcohol and probably less. Just because you drink doesn't make you an alcoholic any more than enjoying a joint makes you a raving drug addict. Some do go down that path but that just proves Darwin right but they had a choice before they messed themselves up and chose which way to go.
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true - but theres a big difference between 'enjoying a joint' and regularly getting out of your tree on hydroponic skunk - as i said the difference is the same as enjoying a glass of wine, and regularly getting falling down drunk
 
big soft moose said:
isnt it also the case that cannabis abuse (rather than use) is the issue - in the same way that having a few social drinks is not detrimental to your health in the same way as being a hard core p***head is. If you wake up and imediately have a joint , and then chainsmoke them through the day because you are basically adicted to THC then you are going to have a problem ... pretty much like if the first thing you reach for when you wake up is a bottle of scotch.

Also with studies like this its difficult to have a scientific control - that is of the people who became psychotic after developing a skunk problem , theres no way of saying how many might have become psychotic anyway even if they'd never had any puff.
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It is not difficult at all when a properly controlled study is performed. Saying that I haven't seen the report and thus couldn't comment on whether that was the case or not.
 
dejongj said:
It is not difficult at all when a properly controlled study is performed. Saying that I haven't seen the report and thus couldn't comment on whether that was the case or not.
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so how do you conclusively determine the reason the psychosis occured ? - as far as i'm aware you can't - and given that you can't you are left with circumstantial evidence "well he smokes a lot of puff" - and theres no way of knowing if in fact he might have had a genetic predisposition and become psychotic had he not developed a puff habit
 
Big Andy said:
This half a brain has been using it for most of my adult life, that's over 40 year now, and I repeat it doesn't mess your head up any more than alcohol and probably less. Just because you drink doesn't make you an alcoholic any more than enjoying a joint makes you a raving drug addict. Some do go down that path but that just proves Darwin right but they had a choice before they messed themselves up and chose which way to go.
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But if it has messed your head up, you're not likely to know are you. Having been on it for 40yrs isn't something to be proud of. I find it very sad.
 
big soft moose said:
so how do you conclusively determine the reason the psychosis occured ? - as far as i'm aware you can't - and given that you can't you are left with circumstantial evidence "well he smokes a lot of puff" - and theres no way of knowing if in fact he might have had a genetic predisposition and become psychotic had he not developed a puff habit
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When it the study is performed under similar controlled circumstances as other clinical trials with appropriate sample sizes and everything that comes with it then you can take chance as much out as possible. It is an proven and agreed methodology approved by many regulatory bodies around the world.
 
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